Weebster
Everyone is alone. Everyone is empty.
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CrossroadsCurious
"Why do we do what we do?"
- Dec 12, 2021
- 671
High and mighty religious morals / traditions! USA is run by a bunch of old prunes... who incidently do WAAAAYYY worse sins behind closed doors! Hypocrites!!!
Nolan96
Mage
- Feb 12, 2022
- 506
It actually is legal in Nevada.
Opposition comes from a weird coalition of Christians who view it as sinful and feminists who view it as exploitation of women's bodies.
I personally find prostitution bleak.
Opposition comes from a weird coalition of Christians who view it as sinful and feminists who view it as exploitation of women's bodies.
I personally find prostitution bleak.
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Because prostitution is typically women being beaten by men and forced to have sex with other men for money- and then the money goes to her abuser- it is in most cases human trafficking. How would you like it if you were kept prisoner by someone who beat you regularly, took all your money, and forced you to be raped by multiple men every day? That's why it's illegal. Of all the ways that people abuse others human trafficking- prostitution- is maybe the most abusive.
Weebster
Everyone is alone. Everyone is empty.
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It works just fine in Europe. You're an obnoxious person.
Dr Iron Arc
Into the Unknown
- Feb 10, 2020
- 20,702
If you're so worried about legality, just film it and call it an amateur porn shoot. Don't even need to actually upload it or anything.
Spiritual survivor
A born again but occasionally suicidal
- Feb 13, 2022
- 509
I know people think it is because of Christians but the US gov is not controlled by Christians at the highest levels so there is probably other reasons like difficulty taxing it, maybe it produces problems that we don't really hear about. It isn't illegal because the gov cares so about women's health or well being. There's some other underlying reason that the gov makes it illegal.
MellowAvenue
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- Nov 5, 2020
- 658
I think it's this; Also IIRC (It's been awhile since I looked into this) they cracked down on prostitution after WWII which also saw a large influx of women go into the US work force which seems like quite the coincidence, you know?
Weebster
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Spiritual survivor
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Prostitution shouldn't be illegal but it shouldn't be encouraged or punished. I mean I was a prostitute and it did harm me but it was like self inflicted and i did make the choice to do it voluntarily. Nobody was pimping me and I was not a child. Prostitutes usually need some help and come from child abuse. Not all but most need help to straighten out self image and self esteem.
MellowAvenue
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I'm not sure of the commonality of it but it was legal and there were a fair bit of brothels. The effort to demonize it actually began during the war ( https://www.nydailynews.com/life-st...rn-std-carrying-prostitutes-article-1.1369299 ) I've also read before it may have been an attempt to demonize the idea of strong independent women in general to excuse continually holding them back in certain areas in the work force by painting them a certain way.
I agree. I don't really think many women would choose it but if it's a route they willingly go down I don't see the harm in legalizing it, especially in the current age.
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Angst Filled Fuck Up
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- Sep 9, 2018
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I'm not exactly sure what the reasons are. The old school Puritan streak that runs through this country might well be a factor, and I think in general prostitution is also seen as quite base and exploitative. I've visited some red light districts in Europe and they're pretty seedy, but still quite functional and somehow not nearly as bad as I'd imagine they'd be if they existed in the US. America is pretty low on the maturity/consciousness level I feel like.
Weebster
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How do the women look in the red light districts? The women on escort sites look unwell
Angst Filled Fuck Up
Visionary
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It's a mixed bag. Some are young and fresh faced, others not so much. There are certainly quite a few beautiful women. I suspect many even have fairly ordinary lives outside of the sex work.
Weebster
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Spiritual survivor
A born again but occasionally suicidal
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- 509
I went into prostitution because at some point I recognized that I didn't feel capable of sustaining relationships with men and I also had trouble in formal employment. I had undiagnosed borderline personality disorder or attachment trauma. I thought that prostitution would allow me to not be lonely, still have relations with men, and also provide for myself lol! It was a trap but I thought I would be able to handle it. I did for awhile until it became depressing and I became very isolated and ashamed. I also did get into legal trouble over it. It cost me a lot
I'm a very kind person and I've been trying to help you, you really are misinterpreting things. Prostitution doesn't work out well except in rare cases, in most cases it is very abusive to women.
There are numerous instances of this well documented in the u.s, numerous t.v. exposes on news show, articles in magazines and newspapers, etc.
Dr Iron Arc
Into the Unknown
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I agree that prostitution can be very bad for some women who are forced into it and is currently fueled by trafficking in many parts of the world but I think this could probably be due to the fact that it's illegal in the first place.
Decriminalizing prostitution could go a long way in making sure that sex workers are not abused plus they could have control over their own businesses. Of course there's still the potential moralistic panic that could occur if the US were to change the laws forbidding prostitution. That's probably the biggest barrier right now, is our tendency to not want to change the status quo even if there are clear benefits to doing so.
Decriminalizing prostitution could go a long way in making sure that sex workers are not abused plus they could have control over their own businesses. Of course there's still the potential moralistic panic that could occur if the US were to change the laws forbidding prostitution. That's probably the biggest barrier right now, is our tendency to not want to change the status quo even if there are clear benefits to doing so.
I don't have personal experience, but I think it is an interesting topic. I think in the US there are a lot of wildly different opinions and while each has some value, the one group of people who don't usually get a seat at the table about its legality are the sex workers themselves because they are often incorrectly stereotyped. Most of our laws in the US are written and passed by rich old white men and their corporate, religious, and other special interest lobbyists. The politicians who scream the loudest about family values are always the ones you catch when prostitution rings are cracked. In other words, we are hypocrites about this.
Some people argue that it is inherently degrading/abusive to women, and for some I think it is. Others say that it provides an otherwise impossible income for people with no other option, and when done safely it can be a net positive and for some I think it is. Some say that a significant proportion of sex workers are trafficked and forced into it, working as underpaid human slaves, and it is more widespread than we would like to admit. Others say that outlawing it simply drives an unstoppable economy underground, making it less safe, more likely to spread STDs, and more prone to the human exploitation and opportunism that everyone is so concerned about. I think there is some measure of truth in all of these arguments.
And yes, religious demographics is one of the big differences between the US and the rest of the developed world. If you think religion has no bearing on US politics, and that sounds great because the Constitution prohibits any religious test for the office of president, answer this: how many US presidents have been elected without believing in some kind of God? The answer is none, not ever. The two "unaffiliated" ones like Jefferson still believed in some form of deity, and most of them have been Christian. There's a simple reason why: about 2/3 of the country is some flavor of Christian, and we have more Christians than any country in the world - like hundreds of millions more. If you pay attention to the popular American cable news channels on the right this would be pretty clear to you as well since they carefully amend their political messaging to please religious voters. Prostitution is part of that.
Like with gun control, I find it interesting to view the results of policy changes in other countries. New Zealand almost completely decriminalized prostitution in 2003 and studies done following sex workers concluded that "the decriminalisation has had positive effects for the prostitutes' safety and health".
It will never happen federally here though, not for many decades. I think it would be political suicide. In the meantime, as an outsider enforcement kind of seems like a joke to me, with all manner of offshore websites offering advertisements, reviews, verification, an entire black market ecosystem. The law that forced Craigslist and Backpage out of the business in the name of protecting trafficked children just forced the websites overseas, pushing them farther out of reach of US law enforcement. That is to say, if the reason for OP's post is he is upset because he can't access prostitution, I think maybe he isn't looking hard enough.
TLDR: lots of people have lots of valid opinions, we're religious prudes, don't hold your breath for legality. But there are probably 1,000 or so willing sex workers near you if you live in a major metro area and are willing to take risks with the law.
Some people argue that it is inherently degrading/abusive to women, and for some I think it is. Others say that it provides an otherwise impossible income for people with no other option, and when done safely it can be a net positive and for some I think it is. Some say that a significant proportion of sex workers are trafficked and forced into it, working as underpaid human slaves, and it is more widespread than we would like to admit. Others say that outlawing it simply drives an unstoppable economy underground, making it less safe, more likely to spread STDs, and more prone to the human exploitation and opportunism that everyone is so concerned about. I think there is some measure of truth in all of these arguments.
And yes, religious demographics is one of the big differences between the US and the rest of the developed world. If you think religion has no bearing on US politics, and that sounds great because the Constitution prohibits any religious test for the office of president, answer this: how many US presidents have been elected without believing in some kind of God? The answer is none, not ever. The two "unaffiliated" ones like Jefferson still believed in some form of deity, and most of them have been Christian. There's a simple reason why: about 2/3 of the country is some flavor of Christian, and we have more Christians than any country in the world - like hundreds of millions more. If you pay attention to the popular American cable news channels on the right this would be pretty clear to you as well since they carefully amend their political messaging to please religious voters. Prostitution is part of that.
Like with gun control, I find it interesting to view the results of policy changes in other countries. New Zealand almost completely decriminalized prostitution in 2003 and studies done following sex workers concluded that "the decriminalisation has had positive effects for the prostitutes' safety and health".
It will never happen federally here though, not for many decades. I think it would be political suicide. In the meantime, as an outsider enforcement kind of seems like a joke to me, with all manner of offshore websites offering advertisements, reviews, verification, an entire black market ecosystem. The law that forced Craigslist and Backpage out of the business in the name of protecting trafficked children just forced the websites overseas, pushing them farther out of reach of US law enforcement. That is to say, if the reason for OP's post is he is upset because he can't access prostitution, I think maybe he isn't looking hard enough.
TLDR: lots of people have lots of valid opinions, we're religious prudes, don't hold your breath for legality. But there are probably 1,000 or so willing sex workers near you if you live in a major metro area and are willing to take risks with the law.
Tomino'sNightengale
Member
- Dec 30, 2021
- 75
These things only happen because prostitution is illegal and therefore not regulated. Things like these happened when alcohol was illegal in America under prohibition, and they're also happening now with the "War on drugs". If it were legalized and made into a legitimate industry, it would be regulated and things like these wouldn't happen.
I know a lot of strippers/sex workers/prostitutes, and things like you're describing don't seem to happen to them.
Some prostitues in Nevada have done well for themselves and it has turned out well for them financially- some have gotten rich from this. Of course the risk of disease is pretty high even if they are careful. The biggest risk is that there are credible reports that many of these women are controlled by pimps behind the scenes, so that for these women it is essentially human trafficking even if it is more carefully concealed.
Al Cappella
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katara
tired all the time
- Mar 17, 2022
- 147
ya thats great logic, legalize an industry filled with pedos, animal abusers, and other degeneracy, and then less of those things will happen. lol
prostitutes are sometimes the ones doing the trafficking or abusing anyways, these women literally pimp out their own kids. None of this shit should be legal. It's just legal because everyone feels sorry for incels and thinks if prostitution was illegal, it would make more men commit suicide or go on mass shootings.
Tomino'sNightengale
Member
- Dec 30, 2021
- 75
How is prostitution filled with pedos or animal abusers? It's called "Adult entertainment" for a reason. No one is talking about letting prostitutes pimp out their kids, and I don't know any who do that.
As an escort I can you that being forced isn't as common as it seems at all, it's rare. Decriminalizing it would be great still
You're in a fortunate situation, but I have seen seeen things are different. In the hotel business in a very nice area a couple of women check in with what was obviously their pimps, based on their interactions, and they were terrified on them. It is true that in this nice area it was more common to see girls there who seemed to be doing this of their own free will and they did not seem stressed but on some level seemed sad about being in this situation. Of course there were probably times when prostitution was happening when the customers did not act suspiciously so that you didn't know, and there is no way to know how often that is. But t.v. news shows like 20/20 and others have done exposes where many women and girls as youn as about 14 were forced into this. Some boys who are runaways get forced into this to survive- for example in polygamous towns in Colorado boys are forced out of town when in high school by a corrupt police force so that town elders can have more trhan one wife and then endeed up in prostitution situations when trying to survive. Runaways get exploited a lot this way, of both genders.
katara
tired all the time
- Mar 17, 2022
- 147
There was literally a pornstar who went viral less then a few months ago and she was talking about getting sick from eating shit off of people. That's what the richer prostitutes do. Calling it adult entertainment is just optics, just like when libtards call child trafficking victims "sex workers". Those terms were created to normalize people who apparently eat literal shit Lmao. I'm just tired of seeing the incel rhetoric on here. I already see it on Twitter, why people keep bringing this up a suicide forum is beyond me.
This is the Offtopic area and incels struggle with how to relate to women so these subjects sometimes come up, but I do agree completely that prostitution is no solution, that it is typically abusive to women- there are very rare exceptions to this. I read about one girl who was very classy who was paid one million dollars for one night with a texas billionaire and he treated her well, nothing degrading, and with such life changing money this was likely worth it for her. But that is such a rare case and typically prostitution is very abusive to women.
Tomino'sNightengale
Member
- Dec 30, 2021
- 75
If prostitution were legalized and regulated, they wouldn't eat shit off of people. No one thinks that child trafficking should be legal sex work.
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