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I was always one who doubted the welfare checks but just had one. So annoyed. Two young men who banged on the door until I opened it.

I denied all knowledge of the order and they kept going on but eventually they went away. They were very unsettling as they kept repeating questions about my mental health and I actually do have mental health issues.

Is there anything else they can do legally? They did make it sound like I was being accused of commiting a crime. Should I be worried now of more action? I said I didn't want them to enter the premises but a bit freak out now. Could do with some reassurance.
 
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Where are you? If US, they can't come in without a warrant. They could welfare check you maybe, I wont claim to know the rules everywhere or perfectly, but just hide your shit. Bumping so others chime in. Deep breaths.
 
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They can't really I think. Which country is this?
 
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If thy knw tht u r sfe & nt currnt dangr 2 urslf thn u shld b fne

Thy r checkng 2 C tht u r alve & 2 ask u 2 confrm tht u r keepng urslf sfe
 
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It is an unsettling experience. I'm sorry. Not too sure if they can do more. Seeing as you denied all knowledge and hopefully convinced them that you are ok, that I would have thought might be enough for them to close the case.

My check was years ago when they arrested Kenneth Law. I was more honest and only persuaded them to leave once I'd agreed to be put in touch with a 'helpline' and convinced them I wasn't going to do anything impulsive.

I get the sense it's in part about making sure their own back are covered. Seeing as you denied knowledge, I'm not sure they could do a whole lot more. Plus, what can they act on if you denied receiving anything?
 
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Where are you? If US, they can't come in without a warrant. They could welfare check you maybe, I wont claim to know the rules everywhere or perfectly, but just hide your shit. Bumping so others chime in. Deep breaths.
I am in the UK. I have hidden my sodium nitrate anyway but the whole experience really freaked me out as I said. I never thoughty they could interrogate you like you had commited a crime because you were suicidal. Never felt more like a criminal before.
It is an unsettling experience. I'm sorry. Not too sure if they can do more. Seeing as you denied all knowledge and hopefully convinced them that you are ok, that I would have thought might be enough for them to close the case.

My check was years ago when they arrested Kenneth Law. I was more honest and only persuaded them to leave once I'd agreed to be put in touch with a 'helpline' and convinced them I wasn't going to do anything impulsive.

I get the sense it's in part about making sure their own back are covered. Seeing as you denied knowledge, I'm not sure they could do a whole lot more. Plus, what can they act on if you denied receiving anything?
I felt bad lying but they were going to insist on coming in if I didn't. And being as I live on my own, to be honest I was really not up to two young and intimidating police officers coming into my "space space"! Did you give them your sodium nitrite?
If thy knw tht u r sfe & nt currnt dangr 2 urslf thn u shld b fne

Thy r checkng 2 C tht u r alve & 2 ask u 2 confrm tht u r keepng urslf sfe
Thanks. I did confirm I was safe. Told them I had people I could contact if I was suicidal. But their manner did not impress me at all, being as they could be dealing with a suicidal person1
I am in the UK
They can't really I think. Which country is this?
 
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I am in the UK. I have hidden my sodium nitrate anyway but the whole experience really freaked me out as I said. I never thoughty they could interrogate you like you had commited a crime because you were suicidal. Never felt more like a criminal before.

I felt bad lying but they were going to insist on coming in if I didn't. And being as I live on my own, to be honest I was really not up to two young and intimidating police officers coming into my "space space"! Did you give them your sodium nitrite?

Thanks. I did confirm I was safe. Told them I had people I could contact if I was suicidal. But their manner did not impress me at all, being as they could be dealing with a suicidal person1
They can do a hell of a lot more than simply interrogate you. I am glad you got off with just that.
 
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Where are you? If US, they can't come in without a warrant. They could welfare check you maybe, I wont claim to know the rules everywhere or perfectly, but just hide your shit. Bumping so others chime in. Deep breaths.
Thanks. THey did ask to come in but I said I would rather they didn't and they just stood at the door for about 20 minutes!
They can do a hell of a lot more than simply interrogate you. I am glad you got off with just that.
What more can they do? I said I am not suicidal and I was fine. I can't believe all this really, being as suicide is not illegal and sodium nitrite is not an illegal substance. They have no right to make people feel like criminals!
 
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All of this scandal just because we want to make sausages.
 
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in the words of sexy pistols, the united kingdom is a fascist regime, especially their backwards law enforcement. imagine targeting some of the most vulnerable people in your nation because they are about to step off the "increase shareholder value" train. never felt more glad to be in the states than right now. at least they dont pretend to give a fuck, or criminalize suicide and suicidal behavior. fuck the uk, fuck capitalism, and fuck the police.
 
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Did you buy the SN from dmc?
 
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Is there anything else they can do legally? They did make it sound like I was being accused of commiting a crime. Should I be worried now of more action? I said I didn't want them to enter the premises but a bit freak out now. Could do with some reassurance.
To answer this bit, I think they could've potentially forced entry/seized the SN under PACE powers if they thought your life was in danger, but you're probably safe from this given that they left. In terms of having SN, it's not illegal to own, only the sale of it is restricted (i.e. businesses need to report suspicious SN purchases/attempted purchases). Therefore, unless you sell it on, you shouldn't be committing a crime.

The police left me alone after my welfare check without looking for my SN, even though I told them I had it in my flat, if that is reassuring. I'm so sorry this happened to you, it is so violating and horrific.
 
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in the words of sexy pistols, the united kingdom is a fascist regime, especially their backwards law enforcement. imagine targeting some of the most vulnerable people in your nation because they are about to step off the "increase shareholder value" train. never felt more glad to be in the states than right now. at least they dont pretend to give a fuck, or criminalize suicide and suicidal behavior. fuck the uk, fuck capitalism, and fuck the police.
I've never thought that before but it really is looking like that now. I still love the UK but the police and government are shocking now.
Did you buy the SN from dmc?
Yes I bought from dmc
 
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That's so irritating. What in the world went wrong with the UK lately.
 
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It is an unsettling experience. I'm sorry. Not too sure if they can do more. Seeing as you denied all knowledge and hopefully convinced them that you are ok, that I would have thought might be enough for them to close the case.

My check was years ago when they arrested Kenneth Law. I was more honest and only persuaded them to leave once I'd agreed to be put in touch with a 'helpline' and convinced them I wasn't going to do anything impulsive.

I get the sense it's in part about making sure their own back are covered. Seeing as you denied knowledge, I'm not sure they could do a whole lot more. Plus, what can they act on if you denied receiving anything?
In which did you live when you had your welfare check years ago ?
 
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In which did you live when you had your welfare check years ago ?

UK in 2023- when they arrested Kenneth Law and ran worldwide checks on anyone they could find who bought from him. (IC.)

I think checks were worldwide that time but I assume that's because either KL gave them customer details or, they found them when going through business files.

I don't know the situation with DMC. Most of the checks seem to be in the UK, although one or two have been reported elsewhere I believe now.
 
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There are two potential agencies who could be involved in your visit, both Police. I'll take it you're in England or Wales, the Scottish system will be generally similar, however with Scots services.
The first would be the local regional Force, who are mainly doing a welfare check to cover their backs because Customs or the Home Office have notified them of the import of a package of a suspect package from a known or suspected SN source.
The other, I suspect more likely group, would be the National Crime Agency, whom I suspect are building a case against DMC for his supply of SN. This being covered by the Poisons Act and a Licence being required in the UK to sell it. Whilst DMC is not in the UK there may well be reciprocal agreements between the UK and European countries, particularly in view of the close working of Interpol between the various countries.
The cover reason for the UK's concern could well be that there may be an anti terrorism aspect to individuals in this country importing poisonous substances.
 
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I felt bad lying but they were going to insist on coming in if I didn't. And being as I live on my own, to be honest I was really not up to two young and intimidating police officers coming into my "space space"! Did you give them your sodium nitrite?

I made it clear to them that I had bought it for future use. Most especially if I came down with a debilitating illness. I've worked briefly inside care homes. There's no way I want to end up like that. They seemed to understand that. I was lucky really that they were reasonable. Concerned of course, but reasonable.

You probably won't believe this but, they asked to see it. I hesitated but eventually agreed if they promised to hand it back. They did, so, I did. And yes, they handed it back. They made every attempt to persuade me to let them take it. I was polite but firm that I wanted to keep it.

They wanted me to fill out some questionnaire. I could see that opening a whole can of 'mental illness' worms so, I said I'd prefer not to fill in the form. I agreed to be put in touch with a 'helpline' though. I thought that would be enough to make it someone else's problem so they would leave- and they did.

To be fair, they were nice though. One was especially kind. The other was more about following procedure and ticking boxes. In part, it was luck I think- in who I got. I was also reasonable and polite with them though. At the end of the day, they were doing their job but, I wasn't doing anything illegal. Plus, I wasn't in immediate risk- which is presumably all they need to establish. Funny really when you think about it. You can kill yourself in future, just don't do it now on our watch. Lol.

I also have to add though that, apart from a short course of Fluoexetine years ago, I have no records of mental illness. No previous attempts. So- I wasn't on their radar to begin with. Someone with more of a history would likely be considered higher risk. I was also busy working on something. The place was such an embarassing mess. That seemed to reassure them too. That someone busy with work wouldn't kill themselves!

I find it odd really- what a narrow perspective people seem to have on how a suicidal person should act. I think another member here was saying they live in a very nice house. So- they were like- I have all this. Why would I want to kill myself when I have all this? And, they seemed to buy that too. Weird really- people who are surely more used to coming across suicidal people (maybe more when they're already dead though) having such a narrow perspective on how a genuinely suicidal person should present.

It was the same with the 'helpline' which was ironically- a far worse experience! The first lady I spoke to was nice but said 'Shouldn't we talk about these intrusive thoughts you're having?' I thought- Why assume they are intrusive? I managed to get rid of the helpline people eventually also but, they weren't as pleasant- weirdly enough.

I really hope you hear no more. I agree though. It's massively unsettling. I was actually more concerned about the 'helpline' continuing to call back. They were pretty unpleasant. I felt sick with nerves for a few days. Ironic when they're supposed to 'help'. They were more like bullies.
There are two potential agencies who could be involved in your visit, both Police. I'll take it you're in England or Wales, the Scottish system will be generally similar, however with Scots services.
The first would be the local regional Force, who are mainly doing a welfare check to cover their backs because Customs or the Home Office have notified them of the import of a package of a suspect package from a known or suspected SN source.
The other, I suspect more likely group, would be the National Crime Agency, whom I suspect are building a case against DMC for his supply of SN. This being covered by the Poisons Act and a Licence being required in the UK to sell it. Whilst DMC is not in the UK there may well be reciprocal agreements between the UK and European countries, particularly in view of the close working of Interpol between the various countries.
The cover reason for the UK's concern could well be that there may be an anti terrorism aspect to individuals in this country importing poisonous substances.

With the IC checks years ago, some members (including me) got an initial check with uniformed officers. That was later followed by a phone call by a detective. I guess they were from the National Crime Agency.

I was lucky in that- all were nice and reasonable. The detective also wanted to come round but we had a lengthy conversation in which I told them there was likely no point in adding my purchase to the case file. Seeing as I hadn't discussed suicide with Kenneth Law. I simply purchased a product used for meat curing! You wouldn't prosecute a hardware store for selling rope- unless they'd been kind enough to tie a noose in it.

I kind of doubt the OP will hear more, seeing as they gave them nothing to go on. I think other people have managed to shake them off by denying all knowledge. I had this big (stupid) idea that I wasn't going to lie seeing as I didn't feel I was doing anything wrong. It paid off eventually I suppose although, it was far more complicated. It got to one point where I actually said- I should have just lied to you.
 
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I made it clear to them that I had bought it for future use. Most especially if I came down with a debilitating illness. I've worked briefly inside care homes. There's no way I want to end up like that. They seemed to understand that. I was lucky really that they were reasonable. Concerned of course, but reasonable.

You probably won't believe this but, they asked to see it. I hesitated but eventually agreed if they promised to hand it back. They did, so, I did. And yes, they handed it back. They made every attempt to persuade me to let them take it. I was polite but firm that I wanted to keep it.

They wanted me to fill out some questionnaire. I could see that opening a whole can of 'mental illness' worms so, I said I'd prefer not to fill in the form. I agreed to be put in touch with a 'helpline' though. I thought that would be enough to make it someone else's problem so they would leave- and they did.

To be fair, they were nice though. One was especially kind. The other was more about following procedure and ticking boxes. In part, it was luck I think- in who I got. I was also reasonable and polite with them though. At the end of the day, they were doing their job but, I wasn't doing anything illegal. Plus, I wasn't in immediate risk- which is presumably all they need to establish. Funny really when you think about it. You can kill yourself in future, just don't do it now on our watch. Lol.

I also have to add though that, apart from a short course of Fluoexetine years ago, I have no records of mental illness. No previous attempts. So- I wasn't on their radar to begin with. Someone with more of a history would likely be considered higher risk. I was also busy working on something. The place was such an embarassing mess. That seemed to reassure them too. That someone busy with work wouldn't kill themselves!

I find it odd really- what a narrow perspective people seem to have on how a suicidal person should act. I think another member here was saying they live in a very nice house. So- they were like- I have all this. Why would I want to kill myself when I have all this? And, they seemed to buy that too. Weird really- people who are surely more used to coming across suicidal people (maybe more when they're already dead though) having such a narrow perspective on how a genuinely suicidal person should present.

It was the same with the 'helpline' which was ironically- a far worse experience! The first lady I spoke to was nice but said 'Shouldn't we talk about these intrusive thoughts you're having?' I thought- Why assume they are intrusive? I managed to get rid of the helpline people eventually also but, they weren't as pleasant- weirdly enough.

I really hope you hear no more. I agree though. It's massively unsettling. I was actually more concerned about the 'helpline' continuing to call back. They were pretty unpleasant. I felt sick with nerves for a few days. Ironic when they're supposed to 'help'. They were more like bullies.


With the IC checks years ago, some members (including me) got an initial check with uniformed officers. That was later followed by a phone call by a detective. I guess they were from the National Crime Agency.

I was lucky in that- all were nice and reasonable. The detective also wanted to come round but we had a lengthy conversation in which I told them there was likely no point in adding my purchase to the case file. Seeing as I hadn't discussed suicide with Kenneth Law. I simply purchased a product used for meat curing! You wouldn't prosecute a hardware store for selling rope- unless they'd been kind enough to tie a noose in it.

I kind of doubt the OP will hear more, seeing as they gave them nothing to go on. I think other people have managed to shake them off by denying all knowledge. I had this big (stupid) idea that I wasn't going to lie seeing as I didn't feel I was doing anything wrong. It paid off eventually I suppose although, it was far more complicated. It got to one point where I actually said- I should have just lied to you.
I can't believe you had that experience with the helpline. Did you have to speak to them? THat kind of treatment really annoys me. The mental health teams around here are really patronising as well. I was with them for a while but couldn't take being talked down to so I dropped it. The police will probably report me to the mental health team but I will just say I am in no danger. That isn't strictly true as I feel I'm on the edge all the time. Ironic when these people just make you feel far more suicidal than you were before, in your case as well.
 
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UK in 2023- when they arrested Kenneth Law and ran worldwide checks on anyone they could find who bought from him. (IC.)

I think checks were worldwide that time but I assume that's because either KL gave them customer details or, they found them when going through business files.

I don't know the situation with DMC. Most of the checks seem to be in the UK, although one or two have been reported elsewhere I believe now.

Yh thnk tht hs Shopfy lst ws givn 2 interpl whn h/ ws arrestd s/ ppl all ovr wrld wre vistd

Thnk currnt chcks mght b bcse of hs parcls b-ing inter-ceptd @ custms & thy r obvsly lookng out fr parcls frm hm mre thn thy wre b4
 
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Thanks. THey did ask to come in but I said I would rather they didn't and they just stood at the door for about 20 minutes!
That's better than what most people do, but still not good.
Sign needs tapping, it seems.

All of this scandal just because we want to make sausages.
I know right?!?! Can't believe they're coming down so hard on us humble home meat curers, it's absolute insanity.
(also nice SIGNALIS pfp, and your "FATAL ERROR" title is aesthetic)
 
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I can't believe you had that experience with the helpline. Did you have to speak to them? THat kind of treatment really annoys me. The mental health teams around here are really patronising as well. I was with them for a while but couldn't take being talked down to so I dropped it. The police will probably report me to the mental health team but I will just say I am in no danger. That isn't strictly true as I feel I'm on the edge all the time. Ironic when these people just make you feel far more suicidal than you were before, in your case as well.

I'm not sure I absolutely had to be put in touch. It's more that the officers were lingering. I'd already refused their questionnaire. I'd already insisted that I wanted to keep the SN. I don't blame them for being nervous. Weirdly, I wanted to protect them as well as myself. It was like playing this weird game so that they would leave me alone while still complying to all that was expected of them tick box- wise. I really just agreed to the helpline because I thought it gave them a way to leave things satisfactorily.

But yeah. To be fair again, the first lady was nice. What you'd expect really. Soft, gentle voice. Really though- I just kept repeating that I was fine. I suppose it was still problematic that I had the SN though. I'm guessing it was a supervisor that called back and, she pulled out the big guns. 'Think what it would do to your loved ones'. I've had ideation for 35 years to varying extents! I wanted to let loose with swear words but, I remained calm. I realise they don't know our situations. Then she mentioned mental capacity! That frightened me to be honest. I did wonder if she would try to section me. But yeah- emotional blackmail and bullying tactics I really don't appreciate. I've always wondered- if they do try to section you, can you get solicitos involved? I think I'd try. I don't think a stay in a psyche ward would do me any favours. I very much doubt it could even come to that though. The NHS doesn't have the beds for people who are actually asking for help. So, it was all just a bunch of threats after the nicely nicely approach was rejected.

I think it's kind of hilarious that the police officers were kinder! One even said I could call them if I felt that way in future! I don't personally see that as the best use of emergency services but, I thought it was so kind.
Yh thnk tht hs Shopfy lst ws givn 2 interpl whn h/ ws arrestd s/ ppl all ovr wrld wre vistd

Thnk currnt chcks mght b bcse of hs parcls b-ing inter-ceptd @ custms & thy r obvsly lookng out fr parcls frm hm mre thn thy wre b4

I get that impression too- that it's more likely a customs/ shipping interception this time.

I guess we were all a bit suspicious with KL. Would he have handed over customer details in some sort of plea deal? Still, I doubt they'd need permission if they subpoenaed business files.
 
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I guess we were all a bit suspicious with KL. Would he have handed over customer details in some sort of plea deal? Still, I doubt they'd need permission if they subpoenaed business files.

Thre wld nt hve bn a plea-dl immdi8tly aftr arrst - polce prbbly hd a warrnt knowng wht h/ ws sellng & Y & thn Shopfy wld hve hd 2 snd polce/detectvs th/ infrmatn
 
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Thre wld nt hve bn a plea-dl immdi8tly aftr arrst - polce prbbly hd a warrnt knowng wht h/ ws sellng & Y & thn Shopfy wld hve hd 2 snd polce/detectvs th/ infrmatn

That makes sense, yeah. At the time, I wished I'd been smarter about it and paid by some more obscure means plus, had it sent somewhere more annonymous. Didn't pretty much everyone end up getting checked? No matter the payment method? Mine was Paypal direct from the site. Not the most covert! Was that Shopify you mentioned? He didn't sell via that did he?

Awful to say it really but I was kind of surprised he didn't use it himself rather than face jail. It's weird what some people will still settle for in life. That's probably just my pessimistic perspective though.
 
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In this regard UK seems to become a "North Korea". Another user mentioned a few days ago that their card transactions will be tracked and it's still unknown what the UK really does behind the scenes to filter out all the international shipments while not banning and putting the substance into the list of controlled substances and even illegal substances. How do they actually track the people who ordered Sn down to exactly? Where's the privacy? Where's the freedom? Correct me if I got sth wrong here.
 
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Damn. I bought my SN back in 2020 on Ebay. :pfff:

50g for £8 - no checks at all I guess it wasn't on anyone's radar back then.
 
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That makes sense, yeah. At the time, I wished I'd been smarter about it and paid by some more obscure means plus, had it sent somewhere more annonymous. Didn't pretty much everyone end up getting checked? No matter the payment method? Mine was Paypal direct from the site. Not the most covert! Was that Shopify you mentioned? He didn't sell via that did he?

Awful to say it really but I was kind of surprised he didn't use it himself rather than face jail. It's weird what some people will still settle for in life. That's probably just my pessimistic perspective though.

Yh frm slf knowldge h/ usd shopfy

S/ all custmr nme & addrss & paymnt info wld hve bn stord fr ech trnsactn

Slf herd tht DMC mght b usng th/ sme thng nw - s/ if h/ = evr arrestd thn th/ sme thng wll lkely happn agn

Whthr h/ wll actully b arrestd tho = n.e1 guss bcse h/ = nt braggng t/ journlsts tht h/ = sellng SN t/ suicdl ppl
 
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