Wales - man jailed 14 years for selling you know what

[Captive_Mind515]

Only people with terrible OpSec would send packages from the exact same location every time. There are dealers who sell drugs this way, vary how they send packages, don't get caught, and retire after making enough money. I'm not encouraging anyone to do this, but your view that police always win because they are supermen with magical powers isn't correct.

They still eventually get you, if you're mailing them yourself. That's why cartels use mules to move stuff around. And you'll have to sell a lot of SN to retire…

 

[Forever Sleep]

KL ws chargng ppl fr ctb coachng advce

Smethng lke $100 fr 30mns - cnnt remmbt th/ xact amnts bt h/ advrtisd sch servcs on hs webste

Agn blatnt profteerng

I didn't know that. I knew he had conversations with people. I guess because he got away with it for so long, he asumed he was untouchable or something. Now that SN is more well known, I doubt it's so easy to operate.

 

[Dot]

I didn't know that. I knew he had conversations with people. I guess because he got away with it for so long, he asumed he was untouchable or something. Now that SN is more well known, I doubt it's so easy to operate.

Yh 'cnsultncy' or smethng

H/ ws ccky & arrognt

Slf am obv pro-choic abt sourcs etc bt slf hve 0 respct fr ppl wh/ r obvsly lookng @ cmmunty & thnkng of £££ - espclly whn buyng & sellng on ste = specfclly agnst th/ rles & thy d/ nt gve a sh*t

 

[urgent]

KL ws chargng ppl fr ctb coachng advce

Smethng lke $100 fr 30mns - cnnt remmbt th/ xact amnts bt h/ advrtisd sch servcs on hs webste

Agn blatnt profteerng

How do they advertise? What did his website say? I can see how someone goes on a sight like this and posts but I don't know how people get N. I don't know anything about SN but I didn't know it was illegal to sell. So many on here say they have it. I thought you could buy it legally. I don't know what it's used for legally but I thought you buy it from a chemical supplier, so didn't know it was marked up because it's hard to get, I guess? I think we should all have the right to MAiD if terminal or suffering for years after exhausting treatments and medications. We wouldn't have these scams or people suffering more after an attempt. I see a good end of suffering when you can choose MAiD, say goodbye to loved ones, go painlessly, no one goes to jail there's no blaming yourself, shame, trying to buy something illegally, trauma of being found, possibly someone else being falsely convicted. I don't know if someone helping you die should go to prison. I don't know if their intention is to prey on anyone if they actually help someone who wants to stop suffering. I would appreciate someone who puts themselves at risk because they have compassion after witnessing suffering. I want to be able to buy what I need for a painless way,be able to have assistance without the risk of someone going to jail for not wanting to watch me suffer. What these 2 guys did to me was help. The guy who just tortured the woman who paid him to quickly kill her deserves prison. That wouldn't happen if we had the right to MAiD or access to painless drugs or gases and assistance. I'm always surprised when I hear someone ctb from helium, N, had help,etc. I'm like why am I suffering brutally.I don't have a source to trust to find a definite plan. How did people know how to find them?

 

[imsotired35]

Was he part of this forum does anybody know?

I wish they would crack down on people using the dark web for child abuse material rather than spending their time, recourses and the publics money on this.

 

[Dot]

How do they advertise? What did his website say? I can see how someone goes on a sight like this and posts but I don't know how people get N. I don't know anything about SN but I didn't know it was illegal to sell. So many on here say they have it. I thought you could buy it legally. I don't know what it's used for legally but I thought you buy it from a chemical supplier, so didn't know it was marked up because it's hard to get, I guess?

Membrs wre sharng info abt KL webste betwn thmslves in 2021 or arnd thn altho h/ ws allegdly on ste pushng sles- slf lookd @ hs webste shrtly aftr joinng SaSu & sw tht h/ ws chargng fr 'consltatns'

SN usd 2 b obtainble thru mst chemcl cmpnies bt th/ trendng in suicdes usng SN causd govrnmnts 2 intrduce restrctns

 

[Bat12]

Only people with terrible OpSec would send packages from the exact same location every time. There are dealers who sell drugs this way, vary how they send packages, don't get caught, and retire after making enough money. I'm not encouraging anyone to do this, but your view that police always win because they are supermen with magical powers isn't correct.

I buy drugs online and have been for months, with friends doing it for years. He sends the package with the same return address, from the same post office every time.

 

[betternever2havbeen]

14 years jesus christ! That's more than you'd get for killing someone in a car. I'm surprised they've convicted him and sent him down so quickly considering KL is still waiting for his trial because the prosecution has to figure out if they can even have charges of 1st degree murder for sending out SN as it's so unprecedented.

Also surprised the "victims" who survived and had free will enough to not take the SN are speaking out against him. He sounds like a scummy guy for sure but 14 years seems crazy to me. They could've just as easily sourced it from a company with the same result. Having said that he was an idiot for assisting anyone in that way. I would never help anyone nor let them help me to that extent other than with the name of a company source (and I haven't even helped anyone with that) because I wouldn't want anyone to get in trouble for assisting me. Anyone thinking of doing that please don't put anyone else in that position by even asking and don't accept any offers of SN from anyone!

 

[DontTouchMeImFamous]

This is why I always reject all people who DM me and asking me to sell them SN. I don't need jailtime too on top of all my suffering. BTW he was charging a lot of money for the SN. 100 pounds is a lot. I paid just 40 euros and this wasn't a cheapo low grade SN, this was a pure laboratory grade SN.

Can I DM you to ask you where you got from??

UK prison time. Light work. He'll get hooked on spice and be out in a few years. We don't do forced sodomy here.

14 yrs are not "few years"

 

[BlockedintheUK]

@imsotired35 yes true but child abuse material doesnt need to be physically shipped so almost impossible to trace someone if they do it correctly. Only lazy / sloppy / incompetent get caught sadly.

 

[DontTouchMeImFamous]

the "victim" testifying against him, was very likely intimidated by the prosecution to give this testimony in exchange for not being charged themselves for purchasing the sn

never kneel

Life feels like a circus where everyone has to put on a smile and act uniformly or be punished.

 

[rozeske]

They sure did make an example of him.

 

[Baisley]

Stinks for the guy to be in jail now. I would have loved to get some real SN and not have it be a scam. I would have definitely used the SN though and not changed my mind after purchasing it.

 

[NoHorizon]

Just watched this on the news. I feel such mixed emotions about it, just like Kenneth Law before (I bought SN off of him). The underhand methods they tend to use on here are pretty shit, but I despise the reporters referring to "his victims" as if we're being forced to buy it. And the testimonial from a purchaser saying how disgusting it was that it was so easy to buy leave me with so many conflicted thoughts my head starts to muddle.

 

[Throwawaysoul]

They sure did make an example of him.

Yeah, how not to sell things over the internet.
Straight amateur hour. Every step of the way.

 

[rozeske]

Yeah, how not to sell things over the internet.
Straight amateur hour. Every step of the way.

Not things in general but anything that can be considered an assist in suicide. They wanted the sentence to serve as a warning to others.

 

[LetMeOut67]

The headline should be

Man who ended agony cruelly punished

 

[urgent]

Is SN really the ideal way to go? All the suicides I've seen since I joined seemed to have been by SN. That's crazy.

I may have to look more into it, if I'm still alive by mid january

How do you know where to get, that it's pure,how much you need? Isn't it painful and not a definite plan? Can imagine what they do if you go to the hospital and ward. Are you charged with buying drugs? Sounds like a good chance of failing? I need to stop my intense pain. Does anyone else have medical problems due to prescription drugs? I have a lot. Burning mouth and tongue syndrome is painful, nothing stops the pain. It hurts to eat or drink. I also have severe TMJ and stomach pain, that's just a small part of my pain. Everyday I say I have to find a way today I can't take the pain.

 

[LetMeOut67]

Arguably he's wicked arguably he's greedy

No shit

That's why we want out , this is what people are like or some of them
No one would obey the law if they knew they'd not get caught
It'd just be law of the jungle

 

[urgent]

Not things in general but anything that can be considered an assist in suicide. They wanted the sentence to serve as a warning to others.

Yeah but there are people who assist or sell. Does the latest PPh have a source anymore? Is anyone being helped by a death with dignity group? How has anyone you know or from here been successful? I guess you know if they scheduled a message.

 

[betternever2havbeen]

Just watched this on the news. I feel such mixed emotions about it, just like Kenneth Law before (I bought SN off of him). The underhand methods they tend to use on here are pretty shit, but I despise the reporters referring to "his victims" as if we're being forced to buy it. And the testimonial from a purchaser saying how disgusting it was that it was so easy to buy leave me with so many conflicted thoughts my head starts to muddle.

I think it's important to hear from anyone who bought from him and didn't take it because I'm always saying members on here don't get a voice BUT I bet if they'd said something like "I bought the SN of my own free will and I don't blame him for selling it to me" that never would've been printed! They only ever go with one narrative. I'd be mad as hell if I was being referred to as a victim. I mean the lady who died was 29 so surely that's old enough to make her own decision. The other death sounds like the father of one of the buyers which I don't even understand-he found the SN his son bought and took it himself? Either way these are fully grown adults. The other two didn't even take it which surely says something about it being the decision of the person who bought it?!

 

[fadedghost]

They still eventually get you, if you're mailing them yourself. That's why cartels use mules to move stuff around. And you'll have to sell a lot of SN to retire…

What is this statement "police eventually get all drug dealers who ship their own products" coming from? Are you a criminologist? Do you have data?

Plenty of people deal drugs for a brief period of time, without using mules, and no one gets them. Also, I don't sell drugs or SN.

You write like you're a police officer or BBC journalist.

I think these people are definitely profiteering with it.

The punishments for selling SN are extremely high. Someone selling it, who gets caught, is likely to get a charge like accessory to murder, etc, charges that carry decades of time if not life. 14 years is a low sentence given how severe penalties are for things like this.

It's not profiteering when the risks are that high. If someone is selling SN, and it's always a bad idea to do it, but "if," then they are risking everything personally. It is not that greedy when they are risking everything and when each new transaction increases the risk of getting caught. They could make much more money by selling heroin or cocaine and get less time if caught.

I buy drugs online and have been for months, with friends doing it for years. He sends the package with the same return address, from the same post office every time.

It's terrible OpSec and a bust waiting to happen.

 

[madameviolette]

"The father of the person who bought the drug went missing and his body was found weeks later.

He had taken his own life using the chemical compound which had been purchased from Cross."

I'm not sure I understood this correctly. The father took their child's SN and died ?

How do you know where to get, that it's pure,how much you need? Isn't it painful and not a definite plan? Can imagine what they do if you go to the hospital and ward. Are you charged with buying drugs? Sounds like a good chance of failing? I need to stop my intense pain. Does anyone else have medical problems due to prescription drugs? I have a lot. Burning mouth and tongue syndrome is painful, nothing stops the pain. It hurts to eat or drink. I also have severe TMJ and stomach pain, that's just a small part of my pain. Everyday I say I have to find a way today I can't take the pain.

I do. I have nerve damage from prescription meds. This is also why I can't use SN despite being the easiest and most affordable way of ctb.

 

[fadedghost]

"The father of the person who bought the drug went missing and his body was found weeks later.

He had taken his own life using the chemical compound which had been purchased from Cross."

I'm not sure I understood this correctly. The father took their child's SN and died ?

I do. I have nerve damage from prescription meds. This is also why I can't use SN despite being the easiest and most affordable way of ctb.

Perhaps his father had a horrible extraordinarily slow and painful disease and his child bought it to relieve his suffering?

We can't know because the article and police are so biased, so it's pointless to wonder. If there was ever anything the average person could relate to regarding euthanasia, it would never be published.

 

[LetMeOut67]

The reporter and camera crew that was bothering him

He should have said "do you never wonder why people wish to exit this stinking world you f*****g clueless cockroach"

 

[amor.dor]

If you think that the suicidal cause will ever become a common agenda, give up. It never will.

We only exist because people in the past thought life was worth it. Suicide will always be seen as unethical and unnatural, even though an analysis of existence proves that not being is better than being... Perhaps euthanasia in the future will be valid in cases of imminent death, because as long as there's a way to keep a person alive with medication, there will always be someone profiting from it behind the scenes.
Perhaps suicide will be an option for everyone, if in a future where human beings become obsolete.

 

[madameviolette]

Perhaps his father had a horrible extraordinarily slow and painful disease and his child bought it relieve his suffering?

We can't know because the article and police are so biased, so it's pointless to wonder. If there was ever anything the average person could relate to regarding euthanasia, it would never be published.

Ah makes sense. I didn't think about that. I recently read about a woman in the UK who killed her mother by strangling her. She was suffering from Parkinson and wanted out but they had nothing at their disposal.

I couldn't imagine strangling my own parent to end their suffering but ppl have no other options

 

[zaza23]

I do appreciate that he refused to give up any details of anyone he supplied to.
How do ppl not understand if you don't have a wellness approach to mental illness, ppl will find a way to deal with it themselves

 

[fadedghost]

When reading the story, it's important to remember that police invent quotes that suspects say all the time. Unless there's a videotaped confession with Cross's statements, what police claimed he said is likely a lie.

This part from the article

Cross described the forum as "a bible", telling probation officers he had sourced the chemicals before receiving two tubs of a substance which he would use to "help others end their lives".

(from https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c87rdl1zrwwo, posted as fair use exerpt)

is likely complete bullshit.


Another part of the article has a person who "cannot be named" which means it is ALL probably made up by police:

Since his arrest, one of the people who bought packages from Cross has spoken out to warn others who may be vulnerable to seek help from professionals instead of using online forums.
The individual, who cannot be named for legal reasons, said when they purchased the substance they felt "vulnerable, overwhelmed and struggled silently".
"This experience caused me significant emotional pain.
"I am no longer in that state of mind, but I have had to work hard to heal and move forward in a healthier direction.
"The fact this was so easy makes me think, had I not come to my senses, I wouldn't be where I am today," they added.

(from https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c87rdl1zrwwo, posted as fair use exerpt)

Most people who come to SaSu and seek out SN are not briefly suicidal after one bad thing. SaSu is not that easy to find. If you search "please I want to die" the first 3 results are "Oh no! Call this hotline" and the next 50 results are why you shouldn't die. Finding SaSu is like finding a needle in a haystack, it takes serious intent to die to find it, my guess is most people here have thought about suicide hundreds or thousands of times prior to joining.

I do not believe this quote from an "unnamed person" is real. I think the police wished someone said this and invented it. I think the BBC, the apex of sloppy biased morally empty journalist, included it without research most likely because it supports their agenda.

I was curious if I was correct, so I contacted the UK police. An unnamed source told me "Yep, we make up shit all the time. Who cares? How will they prove it's a lie? There's no way to prove we're making shit up." I also spoke to a member of the BBC who anonymously said "We have no journalistic standards and are a pack of biased liars giving the public slop, which is why we don't really care if quotes are true. Most of our anonymous quotes are made up, but no one gives a shit." I felt vindicated by these anonymous unnamed sources telling me the real truth.

 

[amor.dor]

Ah makes sense. I didn't think about that. I recently read about a woman in the UK who killed her mother by strangling her. She was suffering from Parkinson and wanted out but they had nothing at their disposal.

I couldn't imagine strangling my own parent to end their suffering but ppl have no other options

Woman Sentenced for Killing Terminally Ill Husband Who Told Her to Do It: 'I Asked Him if He Was Sure'

Gilland reportedly shut herself in a hospital room with her husband and said she would shoot anyone who tried to come in.

people.com

I also couldn't imagine myself doing that either.

But what bothers me is that, like in this case from the link, the husband had already agreed to die and just wanted to stop suffering, and the wife had to go through a lot of hardship to help her husband. It's good that she didn't get a heavy sentence. Poor woman.