Venting vent: The three common types of anti-choicers...

[silverbones]

I personally believe anti-choice individuals commonly fall under these groups regarding suicide, particularly the ones who restrict others from choosing their exit.

1. Sadists. They just want to see you suffer in life as well as death by limiting peaceful methods for their own sick pleasure and entertainment. If we didn't choose how, when or where we were born, why is it considered delirious to choose how, when and where we die?

2. Entitled. Ultimately nobody is obligated to remain in this world for anyone, but the entitled feel that you should do because it helps improve their life and their situations. They do not even bother to consider you have your own desires and autonomy.

3. Virtue-signalers. Similar to the entitled, they impose their own moral compass onto you, not for your own sake but for their own. Whether its so they receive bonus points in their religion or pats on the back from other virtue-signalers, the point remains the same. They want to feel and be viewed as a 'savior'.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I'd add to that the misunderstanding but well intentioned ones: Who believe that it's entirely possible for everyone to be cured. (Despite glaring evidence that they can't always.) I'd actually argue that these people do actually mean well. They want people to live happy and fulfilled lives. The problem is- they do seem to believe that is possible for all, no matter the circumstances.

Where it becomes less than pleasant is: They don't seem to care how long it takes for someone to reach this phase. Even if they ever do- it's kind of like- they only needed to keep trying. They would have gotten there. Had they only tried this medication, listened to that doctor, found Jesus etc.

Plus, if they are doing all the right things but claiming they aren't working- it's still their fault- they're not putting enough effort in or, believing enough.

That comes down to the whole: It's compulsory to want to live. I'm not sure it is always to benefit others though. I think these people do actually believe that, if we only 'recover', life will benefit us. Who's the delluded one there is debatable.

 

[LigottiIsRight]

I'm inclined to think that most of anti-choicers fall in the type depicted by Forever Sleep. The belief that recovery is always possible is key in pro-life/anti-choice/preventionist mentality.

 

[FuneralCry]

It's just so horrific to me how they wish to force others to suffer in this torturous existence prolonging the suffering and torture of existing no matter what, it's truly all so terrible and dreadful to me. I see so much cruelty in how peaceful death is denied even know this existence was so tragically imposed, to me existence truly is an abomination that just causes harm and suffering until non-existence takes away all anyway and I'd just always prefer to not exist than suffer in this torturous, cruel existence just waiting to die anyway capable of suffering to unlimited extents, for me non-existence really is the only peace which is why I find it so dreadful how there is such a thing as anti-choice, all that anti-choice does is cause more pain and torture, I always suffer so much from being enslaved in this existence I just never would had chosen.

 

[silverbones]

I'd add to that the misunderstanding but well intentioned ones: Who believe that it's entirely possible for everyone to be cured. (Despite glaring evidence that they can't always.) I'd actually argue that these people do actually mean well. They want people to live happy and fulfilled lives. The problem is- they do seem to believe that is possible for all, no matter the circumstances.

Where it becomes less than pleasant is: They don't seem to care how long it takes for someone to reach this phase. Even if they ever do- it's kind of like- they only needed to keep trying. They would have gotten there. Had they only tried this medication, listened to that doctor, found Jesus etc.

Plus, if they are doing all the right things but claiming they aren't working- it's still their fault- they're not putting enough effort in or, believing enough.

That comes down to the whole: It's compulsory to want to live. I'm not sure it is always to benefit others though. I think these people do actually believe that, if we only 'recover', life will benefit us. Who's the delluded one there is debatable.

That's a good addition. I was just focusing on the ones with ill-intentions, but there definitely could be a sizeable portion of ones with good intentions/hopes.

 

[Forever Sleep]

That's a good addition. I was just focusing on the ones with ill-intentions, but there definitely could be a sizeable portion of ones with good intentions/hopes.

I do think a fair few have good intentions but like they say, 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions'! It's not to say all suicide prevention is outright evil. I just wish it was more realistic.

Plus, that people listened and really took on board what suicidal people say. I recently watched a YouTube video about MAiD in Canada. I stoopidly looked in the comment section. Bearing in mind, it was obvious that many of the people they interviewed waiting to be approved were on long term mediation or treatment plans- mostly for depression. Yet, in the comments, you still get people going: 'This is WRONG! These people need help- not death!' It's like, we watched the same thing right? They're getting help- it isn't working! That's presumably why they want to end it! How long do they expect people to 'get help' for?

Plus, there is simple autonomy. It isn't brilliantly well intentioned to insist someone is automatically crazy and doesn't deserve autonomy if they are suicidal.

I think sometimes, intentions can be good but maybe not based on reality! That goes both ways though. Perhaps some suicidal people could be helped but are stuck in a depressive rut where they are convinced they can't be. It's how many people they can effectively get out of that rut I think that needs revealing. How many people do indeed recover adequately?

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

controllers. pro-lifers want to control what others do

a lot of people are really worried about what other strangers do in their private lives even if they are not affecting anyone else . me killing myself won't affect anyone else and is no one else's business but others make it their business what a stranger does. or even what they think

 

[JesiBel]

There is nothing more selfish than wanting to control another person's existence. Blinded by their ideals, beliefs and savior or Messiah complex. Ugh, I hate all of them so much.

 

[silverbones]

controllers. pro-lifers want to control what others do

a lot of people are really worried about what other strangers do in their private lives even if they are not affecting anyone else . me killing myself won't affect anyone else and is no one else's business but others make it their business what a stranger does. or even what they think

There is nothing more selfish than wanting to control another person's existence. Blinded by their ideals, beliefs and savior or Messiah complex. Ugh, I hate all of them so much.

I agree with you both. Suicide is an individual decision, yet a disturbing amount of anti-choicers feel their opinion and views should hold more value than someone's life or death.

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

The religious Christian saints are missing, who reject euthanasia since it goes against life and is a sin, they consider that life is a gift and a blessed miracle and deciding to die and euthanasia is stuff of the devil. Enough of the religious nonsense, it makes me black and furious

 

[LetMeOut67]

Yeah the sadists are those who've succeeded in this survival of the fittest game and are proud of how much they can take and how much they can inflict and they want us to stick around to suffer and also because they can do a never ending victory lap around us.
The harder it gets the more they like it.

 

[WhatCouldHaveBeen32]

Yeah the sadists are those who've succeeded in this survival of the fittest game and are proud of how much they can take and how much they can inflict and they want us to stick around to suffer and also because they can do a never ending victory lap around us.
The harder it gets the more they like it.

Survival of who? a car crash can wipe 3-4 of them at once, a meteor can wipe us out entirely, we will never get past this planet, they didn't survive for shit, they and their whole arsenal of genes will die. They lost the survival of the fittest game long ago since the invention of war and they are afraid to admit it, only scared animals who are backed into a corner bite back and puff themselves out to others :) This is well known.