As you know, censorship around the world has been ramping up at an alarming pace. The UK and OFCOM has singled out this community and have been focusing its censorship efforts here. It takes a good amount of resources to maintain the infrastructure for our community and to resist this censorship. We would appreciate any and all donations.
Bitcoin Address (BTC): 39deg9i6Zp1GdrwyKkqZU6rAbsEspvLBJt
Ethereum (ETH): 0xd799aF8E2e5cEd14cdb344e6D6A9f18011B79BE9
Monero (XMR): 49tuJbzxwVPUhhDjzz6H222Kh8baKe6rDEsXgE617DVS
Kay! bahah. Pm'd you!I didn't mean the people here, just the general public.
The attitude of "after everything has been tried and only ander these conditions which we dictate..." is exactly what I mean by paternalism.
yes we're talking over each other.
And an insidious tactic at that, because it disguises itself as care. Shaming is overt, while it's much harder to grasp for the general public (and even for us) that mental health awareness and suicide prevention serve a similar function.
Agreed and while I may not fully agree with some of the vandals (those that encourage or incite the vulnerable to CTB), I do believe they are "honest" with how cold the world is. I think instead of spreading the "hateful" messages they spread pro-choice or philosophical messages, it might be seen in a 'slightly' better light and the media would have a harder time sensationalizing it but that's just my two cents.
Same here, it's downright patronizing and insincere as it's just a virtuous signal (gesture) of saying "they care". I'm a believe of "talk is cheap" and that applies to this situation here.
Absolutely, and I have yet to see a counter protest at the suicide prevention rallies. Sure, I'd imagine we'd get ostracized and criticized heavily, but one such idea would be to go with the "pro-choice" stance when counter protesting as that would be what we really stand for; we are for people making their own decisions for themselves and not imposing neither life nor death on another individual.
Yes, I do agree with your sentiment there that some of the vandals were egging the "would be jumpers" to go on and most of us, pro-choicers would object to that indeed. As someone
Same and this is why this forum has helped me during hard times, being able to talk honesty without judgment, fear of hospitalization, gaslighting, patronization, and other ills have given me hope to live longer and hold on a bit longer. Though another thing that kept me around is having my goals met and succeeded; that alone has kept me from getting on the bus, especially in 2019. The ladyfriend that meant a lot to me actually helped me live through most of 2019 and then losing my virginity (before age 30) is a big reason I still clung onto life, and saw 2020 (otherwise I could have been dead in May 2019 and December 2019 respectively). Don't mistake it for no longer being suicidal, I've simply went from actively suicidal to passively. Now 2020 is a different story altogether due to life circumstances, events and the long term problems (without a solution) but that's for another topic.
Same here, I've pretty much made up my mind and any inane platitudes will not sway me otherwise. I am just wrapping things up in my remaining time alive in this world, making peace with everything I wish to, enjoy a few things, and then when the time and opportunity is right, just CTB and be free of suffering.
To answer your rhetorical question, the simple answer off the top of my head is that msm (mainstream media) and society as well as government have a vested interest in keeping people alive to continue to fuel the (sick) system. A dead body is of no use to the state nor society (comprised of mostly normies, pro-lifers, NPCs, and such). Thus, society and government wants to keep others alive to show off they care (which they don't) and also to keep things running while maintaining the status quo.
It is quite funny that society is against overpopulation and at the same time against a suicide.
That's not pessimistic it's realistic and you nailed it as well.
But all too often they also mean: "Hang in there because I don't want to grief your death."
I get why Greta doesn't like plastic zip ties, but where do zip ties "tie" (not deliberate joke, but I'll take it anyhow) in with this thread ?
That is the irony that most self-unaware (majority of the population, general population) people have. They lack the self-introspection and critical thinking skills to rationalize what they believe in and why they believe in what they do.
Very true and the aversion to death in them is MUCH stronger than the desire to die. As for the last two sentences, yes that would indeed be true of the human species, we would not be where we are today if ancient humans offed themselves or are indifferent towards death. As for the concept of freedom and rights, I think it is a relatively modern concept that only existed for a few centuries at most and then the concept of the right to die, less than a century old. There are some countries that are more open, progressive, and advanced than the US when it comes to these social and societal issues (Netherlands, Belgium, Switzerland, Germany as of recent).
Yes, well said and the irony is that if they are pro-life (even if their reason for such a stance is just by default, and have no good reason), they are not considered mentally ill. I absolutely agree with you, being pro-life without good reason is also irrational.
Sure if you are at a very early stage of disillusionment you can still be reindoctrinated so to speak. Suicide intervention has been shown to be most effective early on and I think this is so at least in part because you aren't that alienated yet. A year ago I was still very much convinced by popular ideology on the subject, aka it does get better, most people regret their attempt, doctors can fix you, people do really care about you... all of this glib stuff. But suicide prevention is still the wrong cause, we need suffering prevention, harm prevention, falling through the cracks prevention. I would like someone on the bridge to debate who won't stop me if he can't convince me. That would be a fair exchange.
