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OldDrummer

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More a question for Irish/UK peeps, but any opinions on using a fruit cordial (like Robinsons) to negate the taste of N?

I've been advised that I'll eventually need three bottles of N due to being a bigger-dude.

I don't want to add too much volume to the overall solution, cordials seem ideal for this purpose as you don't need to add much concentrate to the mix.
 
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From my experience using taste test with orajel, that's all you're gonna need.

I'm not even gonna be using honey at this point.

Just make sure the whole tongue got orajel on it.

It's on e*ay

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I have never heard of anyone needing three bottles on all my time here and my research. Again, I ask you please to state your sources. Of course you are free to drink as many bottles as you want but it would be good for us all to hear this information if it is indeed scientifically correct so we can all make better informed decisions about our N.
 
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On the topic of mixing N with something else, I asked this in another thread but didn't get a reply; how much alcohol can I can consume before and after drinking N without reducing N's potency?

I was thinking of using a bottle of Remy Martin to get the job done.

I'm a fan of Robinson's double strength apple and blackcurrent with my guinness but I'd have to consume an obscene amount more compared to my favourite cognac to get to the place I'm going!
One will be unconscious in a couple minutes after drinking N, so don't plan on drinking a lot of alchohol. A little will do ya.
 
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I don't think mixing it with anything is a good idea apart from stevia to sweeten it a little. Like arnab said, coating your tongue in extra strength orajel should be enough to get rid of some of the taste.
 
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I don't think mixing it with anything is a good idea apart from stevia to sweeten it a little.
Is there any specific of reason? Would mixing it with juice really dilute it that much, make it fail to work properly? Or is it just because you need to drink it quickly, and mixing it with soda or juice adds to the volume of liquid one must consume?
 
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Is there any specific of reason? Would mixing it with juice really dilute it that much, make it fail to work properly? Or is it just because you need to drink it quickly, and mixing it with soda or juice adds to the volume of liquid one must consume?
yeah, it would just add to the volume and I really don't think it would make it taste any better tbh. That's why orajel is good because it numbs the disgusting taste. Why mask the flavour when you can just deaden the taste buds instead?
 
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Is there any specific of reason? Would mixing it with juice really dilute it that much, make it fail to work properly? Or is it just because you need to drink it quickly, and mixing it with soda or juice adds to the volume of liquid one must consume?
I'm not a chemist but I know there are far too many drug interactions with different compounds that makes it "uncertain" if it mixes well. Heck, who knows if what you decide to add makes the N half it effects?
I'm not trying to fearmonger just saying.

And who wants to go out with uncertainty?
 
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yeah, it would just add to the volume and I really don't think it would make it taste any better tbh. That's why orajel is good because it numbs the disgusting taste. Why mask the flavour when you can just deaden the taste buds instead?
Well coffee and tea can be pretty bitter, but a splash of cream and some sugar sweetens it right up. Alcohol can be bitter, but mixed with a smalla mount of juice it becomes a sweet and tasty cocktail.

I probably won't do it, because I don't want to have to drink a large volume of liquid, but I doubt I'll do Orajel either as I don't like the idea of sitting there with a numb sensation on my tongue and gums while I fall unconscious.

I'm quite adept at taking shots, and a standard shot glass is about 50ml, so it's about 4 shots worth of liquor. I can usually take a double shot pretty well, so maybe I'll be able to take it in two gulps.
 
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I bet you guys (me neither) would not think that one day you would discussing how to throw back a poison that tastes like motor oil and liquor to a bunch of strangers online. But on this site we are considered the lucky ones with the holy grail of methods. lol, gotta laugh
 
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arnab

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Well coffee and tea can be pretty bitter, but a splash of cream and some sugar sweetens it right up. Alcohol can be bitter, but mixed with a smalla mount of juice it becomes a sweet and tasty cocktail.

I probably won't do it, because I don't want to have to drink a large volume of liquid, but I doubt I'll do Orajel either as I don't like the idea of sitting there with a numb sensation on my tongue and gums while I fall unconscious.

I'm quite adept at taking shots, and a standard shot glass is about 50ml, so it's about 4 shots worth of liquor. I can usually take a double shot pretty well, so maybe I'll be able to take it in two gulps.
Just wanna say that I thought the same but after doing a test with orajel it's not that bad of a feeling. I could still taste some of the chocolate afterwards, the orajel doesn't last long . Especially if you time it well.

But combine with pinching nose and it's like you never took anything
I bet you guys (me neither) would not think that one day you would discussing how to throw back a poison that tastes like motor oil and liquor to a bunch of strangers online. But on this site we are considered the lucky ones with the holy grail of methods. lol, gotta laugh
It's a ducked up world, what to say
 
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Just wanna say that I thought the same but after doing a test with orajel it's not that bad of a feeling. I could still taste some of the chocolate afterwards, the orajel doesn't last long . Especially if you time it well.

But combine with pinching nose and it's like you never took anything

It's a ducked up world, what to say
swimming nose clip would also help.
 
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I bet you guys (me neither) would not think that one day you would discussing how to throw back a poison that tastes like motor oil and liquor to a bunch of strangers online. But on this site we are considered the lucky ones with the holy grail of methods. lol, gotta laugh
lol if you were a proponent of determinism then you could say that this is the only place we could possibly wind up anyway.
 
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Are any of you guys scared of drinking it or preparing? I mean, I want to go this year but I have a will and stuff to sort out first. Since I got N, I feel that there is this even greater push to get the fuck out of here.
 
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Not really much to wrap up in my life. I'll send a few salty emails to people I feel deserve to hear my piece before I leave this earth. That's about it. But I'd be lying if I said I wasn't slightly anxious. It won't matter when I'm dead and not feeling anything at all.
 
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watchingthewheels

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Are any of you guys scared of drinking it or preparing? I mean, I want to go this year but I have a will and stuff to sort out first. Since I got N, I feel that there is this even greater push to get the fuck out of here.
Not scared of drinking it, qua drinking it; a few minutes of a bad taste? I've done worse, with the barium swallow. And canned spinach (vile swamp grass) . Just the finality of it is holding me back at the moment. I want to make sure everything is in order, first, that I've tied up loose ends. Otherwise, I'm just taking it day by day.
 
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OldDrummer

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Thanks for the reply. If it takes so little time then I won't have a chance to get drunk after drinking N. But is it okay to get bladdered before? I understand eating something light an hour before drinking N won't reduce the effectiveness but will consuming a lot of alcohol?

I'm a heavy, daily drinker and I won't be taking any alcohol immediately before the N as I've heard it lessens the effect of the N because your liver is already processing the alcohol.
 
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watchingthewheels

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Thanks for the reply. If it takes so little time then I won't have a chance to get drunk after drinking N. But is it okay to get bladdered before? I understand eating something light an hour before drinking N won't reduce the effectiveness but will consuming a lot of alcohol?
Short answer: No. Don't. You should be taking an anti-emetic to speed up absorption and to prevent vomiting; you don't want to interfere with that process.
 
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watchingthewheels

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I didn't think I'd have to take an anti-vomit medicine and add it into the equation. Would a standard travel sickness medicine suffice?
No. It's a difference in that it doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier. It's not just about stopping nauseau, but speeding up the digestive process, which, in the case of N, will speed up the absorption. Recommended is something like meto (Reglan).
If you haven't, I'd highly recommended you read up on this in the Peaceful Pill Handbook. It will save you from "re-inventing the wheel". You can find links to downloads on the site here.

An excerpt from the 2018 version:

Administration of N


"In places where assisted dying is legal, Nembutal is invariably taken with a separate anti-emetic (anti-vomiting) drug. The anti-emetic will be taken as stipulated either for two days prior to the chosen night. Alternatively it can be taken as a single 'stat dose' around 40 minutes before the Nembutal is to be taken (see Chapter 9 for more explanation)."

Eating something light

"Have something light to eat so your stomach is not empty is generally considered a good idea. The chance of reflex vomiting brought on by drinking the bitter N liquid is reduced if there is something in the stomach. This should not be a significant meal that will slow the absorption of the drug. Something light is preferable, like tea and toast, an hour or so before taking the drug."

Drinking Alcohol after the N

"The liquid in the glass can be drunk quickly in 2 or 3 swallows, and then followed by some alcohol, usually spirits or liqueur. Although not essential, alcohol is recommended as it alleviates the bitter Nembutal after-taste, and will speed the drug's action."

Mixing N with Something Else to take away the Bitter Taste

"It is always better to take one's N straight. The likely result of mixing the Nembutal with something else (eg. yogurt) is the creation of a greater volume of an equally unpalatable substance. Furthermore, using a spoon to consume the drug, rather than drinking it, can mean a longer time to ingest the 100ml.

"Exit has received reports of people falling asleep before all of the drug is consumed. This is dangerous. It is best to drink the 100ml in a few swallows, then drink alcohol."

How the N Takes Effect

"The drug is absorbed from the stomach, and as the level in the blood rises, some crosses the blood-brain barrier and effects the part of the brain that controls sleep.

"Within a few minutes of taking the drink the person falls into a deep sleep, quite often in mid-sentence when talking to family and friends!"
As for anti-emetics, there's a chapter on that:

Drugs and Vomiting

"To minimize the risk of vomiting and to speed gastric emptying, an anti-vomiting ('anti-emetic') drug can be taken as a single dose. Alternatively the drug can be taken for a set period of time before the consumption of the lethal drug. Indeed, organisations like Dignitas in Zurich, who provide oral Nembutal for those wanting to die, insist that an anti-emetic be taken prior to the lethal barbiturate. There is a number of anti-emetic drugs that can be used for this purpose, although they are often controlled/ prescription drugs. Be aware that it may be necessary to fabricate a reason when asking a doctor to prescribe them for you.

"An additional point is that all anti-emetic drugs have side effects. Some can be serious. If you have never taken these anti-emetics before it would be wise to take a test dose of the planned drug prior well ahead of your dying day. This way any allergies and hypersensitivities to a particular anti-emetic occur can be taken into consideration in your overall planning.

"Some of the anti-emetics commonly used in conjunction with end of life drugs are shown in the following table which also states common drug names, available pill size, doses, recommended regime and possible side effects."

It goes on to describe the different varieties, and their strenghts and weaknesses.
 
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watchingthewheels

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My plan was to follow the eating something light instructions like it was one way of doing it. I didn't realise it was part of something bigger that included the anti-emetic stages. My apologies.

From my initial search this looks harder to obtain than N!
One can get meto (the recommended anti-emetic) via prescription from their doctor. Or they can try a site like All Day Chemist. On the plus side, it's relatively inexpensive.
 
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OldDrummer

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Feb 4, 2022
435
From my initial search this looks harder to obtain than N!

Obtaining an AE is the least of your worries, believe me!

Personally, I'm planning on taking a small shot of Bailey's with a ice-cube to emolliate the after-taste.
 
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Lost Magic

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May 5, 2020
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What happens if I don't take an anti-emetic? Can it still work?

I also keep reading about how it is to prevent vomiting. At what stage is it preventing though?

If I vomit when drinking, it clearly hasn't worked...but the last thing I want is to drink it without vomiting, slip into the sedate stage and then suddenly at whatever stage of my unconsciousness wake up vomiting.
I can't wrap my head around this. Of course an anti-emetic helps. It is a medicine to help PREVENT vomiting. I mean it might not work for everybody but better than without. Seriously. Anybody that ingests a lethal poison whether it be N or SN, should take an anti-emetic. You are over thinking this stuff or not thinking at all.
 
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watchingthewheels

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Kopite wrote:

What happens if I don't take an anti-emetic? Can it still work?

If I vomit when drinking, it clearly hasn't worked...but the last thing I want is to drink it without vomiting, slip into the sedate stage and then suddenly at whatever stage of my unconsciousness wake up vomiting.

It can still work, but you run the risk. Seriously, read the PPH, it will tell you your options re anti-emetics.

The PPH (2018) does have a brief mention of what to do in this case (Why have you not read the PPH, yet? Again, it's highly recommended that you read the PPH, as it will answer most of your questions, and hopefully stop you from worrying about unnecessary "what if's?" and having to "reinvent the wheel"):

"Note - If, after using your chosen anti-emetic, vomiting does occur, even if only a small amount, the plan to die must be abandoned. This is because it is impossible to know what quantity of drug remains in your stomach. Becaues of this it would be dangerous to proceed.

"It is advised to move quickly and initiate further vomiting. Place your fingers down the throat to physically induce vomiting. It is critical to remove as much of the ingested lethal drug as possible. Follow this procedure by drinking a large amount of water. Try to rest until the fraction of the lethal drug ingested has been processed. When things calm, select an alternative suitable date in the future.

"If vomiting, or fear of vomiting persists, it may be necessary to look at other end of life methods. The use of an inert gas like nitrogen- which involves no need to swallow and no risk of vomiting-may prove more suitable."
I also keep reading about how it is to prevent vomiting. At what stage is it preventing though?
At the beginning stage! You take it beforehand to prevent vomiting AFTER you drink the N.
 
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watchingthewheels

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Order from the site above for anti-emetic cancelled because they recommend talking to a doctor about medication. FFS.
There's always All Day Chemist...
 
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