Unless you've been close to death, you really dont know what you're in for.

[Lifeless mindset]

Throughout these past few months I've began to realize how crazy the mind can be.The mind believes whatever you tell it. once the mind is sucked into the depths of depression it almost seems impossible to climb out. In my case, its the fact that my depression makes me comfortable with where I am at mentally. I'm constantly thinking about suicide and I sometimes wonder if thats just my depression putting up a road block, stopping me from seeing any other path to go down, leaving me with no sight of direction and feeling like my only option is to drive straight through. Have I been in any near death situations? Well yes, but I have never been on a hospital bed realizing that I may die any moment. Death is a concept that nobody can fully understand, death is something that we can't even properly prepare for no matter how much we try, all we can do is judge whether we truly want to die or not which in itself is one of the hardest decisions I have ever tried to make in my life. My only fears are failing and regret. If someone who is perfectly happy tells themselves every day for years that they want to kill them self, it will pull them into this deep, suicidal mindset, now once they've reached this mindset, is it true that they want to die? With no real reason behind their choice, would you say that person truly wants to die? Now looking at other people like the majority of us here, who have many reasons behind why we want to die, what makes us so sure we really want to? The constant thought of wanting to die would make anyone believe they want to kill themselves right? Is it the fact that we are so tied up with the thought of our problems that we see no other option? Is having depression, on top of dealing with our everyday problems so blinding to the point where we see no other option but to drive straight through that road block? Is wanting to die really a valid reason to die? Maybe I'm just playing devils advocate with myself because part of me would say yes. Death is a crazy ass concept and the mind is an even crazier concept. Sorry for rambling, i just needed to let this out to someone. I'd like to thank whoever has made it this far into this post.

 

[DasDasDAS]

Yes I do believe a clear minded person wanting to die is a valid reason to die (unless you want to make the argument that people don't really own their own lives). Sorry I don't think I have an answer to any of your other questions.
I understand being scared of death even when you want it. It gets scarier the closer it gets. I use to read stories of people claiming they really wanted and had a safe method but couldn't do it when it was time and thought to myself what a big pile of BS. I understand these folks now.

 

[Lifeless mindset]

Yes I do believe a clear minded person wanting to die is a valid reason to die (unless you want to make the argument that people don't really own their own lives). Sorry I don't think I have an answer to any of your other questions.
I understand being scared of death even when you want it. It gets scarier the closer it gets. I use to read stories of people claiming they really wanted and had a safe method but couldn't do it when it was time and thought to myself what a big pile of BS. I understand these folks now.

Whats your idea of a clear minded person?

 

[motel rooms]

If someone who is perfectly happy tells themselves every day for years that they want to kill them self, it will pull them into this deep, suicidal mindset, now once they've reached this mindset, is it true that they want to die? With no real reason behind their choice, would you say that person truly wants to die?

How common do you think such a scenario is?

 

[DasDasDAS]

Whats your idea of a clear minded person?

I meant like sound minded. A person who can make important decisions for themselves like driving a car, getting a loan, managing their own money etc. I don't think a 13yo for example is mature enough to make a decision like this or that someone should make this decision under the effect of drugs or something.

 

[Lifeless mindset]

I meant like sound minded. A person who can make important decisions for themselves like driving a car, getting a loan, managing their own money etc. I don't think a 13yo for example is mature enough to make a decision like this or that someone should make this decision under the effect of drugs or something.

Understandable

How common do you think such a scenario is?

Its not about if its common its about if it's possible

 

[motel rooms]

Its not about if its common its about if it's possible

It isn't.

 

[Lifeless mindset]

It isn't.

Okay lol

 

[Snake of Eden]

I had brushes with death few times and everytime when I feel it (instinctively) close to, it is the most pressing feeling that you want to live no matter what. SI is extremely powerful yet it is something that beatable and that depends on alot of factors.

 

[Maaizr]

i mean yee its Death right? of course you dont know what you're in for, it only happens once in your life and then you're dead lmao i thought this was pretty clear to everybody why a thread about it ?

 

[Snake of Eden]

i mean yee its Death right? of course you dont know what you're in for, it only happens once in your life and then you're dead lmao i thought this was pretty clear to everybody why a thread about it ?

If you are conscious, dying is a state of mind as well. People will feel death coming for them and it is the most terrifying state to be ever. Otherwise death is just death.

 

[woknows]

How common do you think such a scenario is?

His scenario is completely ridiculous. No one does that. You need to have a reason to start thinking of death as a solutiob.

 

[NotStrongEnough]

Throughout these past few months I've began to realize how crazy the mind can be.The mind believes whatever you tell it. once the mind is sucked into the depths of depression it almost seems impossible to climb out. In my case, its the fact that my depression makes me comfortable with where I am at mentally. I'm constantly thinking about suicide and I sometimes wonder if thats just my depression putting up a road block, stopping me from seeing any other path to go down, leaving me with no sight of direction and feeling like my only option is to drive straight through. Have I been in any near death situations? Well yes, but I have never been on a hospital bed realizing that I may die any moment. Death is a concept that nobody can fully understand, death is something that we can't even properly prepare for no matter how much we try, all we can do is judge whether we truly want to die or not which in itself is one of the hardest decisions I have ever tried to make in my life. My only fears are failing and regret. If someone who is perfectly happy tells themselves every day for years that they want to kill them self, it will pull them into this deep, suicidal mindset, now once they've reached this mindset, is it true that they want to die? With no real reason behind their choice, would you say that person truly wants to die? Now looking at other people like the majority of us here, who have many reasons behind why we want to die, what makes us so sure we really want to? The constant thought of wanting to die would make anyone believe they want to kill themselves right? Is it the fact that we are so tied up with the thought of our problems that we see no other option? Is having depression, on top of dealing with our everyday problems so blinding to the point where we see no other option but to drive straight through that road block? Is wanting to die really a valid reason to die? Maybe I'm just playing devils advocate with myself because part of me would say yes. Death is a crazy ass concept and the mind is an even crazier concept. Sorry for rambling, i just needed to let this out to someone. I'd like to thank whoever has made it this far into this post.

So stop being depressed. Stop thinking about suicide then. If you know it's only your brain that's doing it, then just stop. I mean, if it's just as simple as "oh well I'm just depressed and it's my mind making me suicidal! OK then I'm not suicidal anymore!" then stop being suicidal. Can you? If you can, why aren't you? If you can't, then you answered your own question.

Some people's brains just work this way. That's what my therapist tells me constantly. And indeed, instead of telling me to change my mindset, she tells me that I have to learn to live and work within this mindset, that I have to constantly tell myself that it's ok to give myself one more day, or week, or even hour.

And lastly - who makes the rules of what is and isn't a valid reason to die? If you know someone lives in mental anguish every day, why *should* they keep hanging on? Living is mental torture to me. I am the embodiment of Mr Meeseeks ("EXISTENCE IS PAIN"). Just knowing I'm alive brings me mental pain. And it has for decades. There is no changing it. It is what it is.

I have no outward reason to want to die. I have a damn amazing life. It doesn't stop the thoughts. It never has. It never will. This is my existence. Andy Richter has talked about it, and he gets it spot on. Some people are just mentally unlucky.

 

[Sanva]

this is an interesting thing to think about. I almost died during my last attempt and while i was in severe pain in my hospital bed, i regretted it and I really hoped i would survive. now i wish i'd died back then every single day. which is more valid, the survival instinct that kicked in for a few hours back then or the feeling i have every day? our body does everything it can to make us survive because that's its job. i think some people have valid reasons for wanting to die and should get the option to die peacefully. But this decision should be well thought through and if you don't feel like you can make a decision like that, and if you're asking yourself the questions you were asking in your post, it's worth it to take a step back and reconsider.

 

[lostautist]

It sounds as if you believe everyone who wishes to pass is depressed. I am not classically depressed. I've been traumatically heartbroken many times. I've been sexually abused and suffered. I was given the choice by my mother to either put her in a coma or choose comfort care for her so she could pass in my arms 10 minutes later. I have a close relationship with clinical depression and I am not currently afflicted by it.

It seems most people who are suicidal are depressed for all their own reasons. I truly feel for those that suffer from irrational states or imbalances or truly horrible situations that are inescapable. I believe if you have caring support, food and a roof over your head you should try your hardest to work through your problems. If I had support I wouldn't be in the situation that I'm in. No, I'm not here asking.

Death itself is a simple concept. You are an organism that functions. You will cease to function. The many complexities arise from everything else. The situation that will lead me to leaving. How I feel about it. How others will feel about it. How it will affect those if I fail or myself. Those are the things that cause me grief and anxiety. I do not want to go, but I don't see myself getting past a certain situation without losing everything I have and being homeless or committing an act that would put me in prison. I am autistic so I've been battling the tremendous anxiety of a major life change to a low standard of living are worse than death. I feel my decision to prepare for death is logical. Perhaps I'm just fooling myself. Humans are good at that.