Help Uncommon case 2

[Tsunami]

For this second uncommon case, I also decided to dedicate a separate thread to try to understand the mechanism. This case as the 1st fascinates me by its "simplicity". It seems possible to reproduce it even in an armchair or sofa.
Here the PDF link , this is case number 2 with orange rope and knee knots : https://synapse.koreamed.org/upload/synapsedata/pdfdata/2018kjlm/kjlm-44-31.pdf

1/ What was the initial position?
2/ Is the pressure exerted at the front or back of the neck I have difficulty understanding exactly?



I just need help to understand the mechanism, someone with a functional brain could enlighten me? ..

 

[DeadHead]

I can't figure out how this worked. Very unusual indeed.

 

[Tsunami]

@hi-okbye if you have an idea ? ..
Is it possible to pass out quickly with this method? Or this guy just fight with SI for several minutes until being asphixed?

 

[NewSereneC]

I cannot imagine how that could possibly work. Very interesting.

 

[Tsunami]

I can't figure out how this worked. Very unusual indeed.

I cannot imagine how that could possibly work. Very interesting.

it seems so simple, it's frustrating ... but I can't visualize it's strange, impossible to conceptualize how he did it.

I wonder if he didn't just fight SI until he was asphyxiated (several minutes) and then he passed out and his head fell forward. How else could he maintain the necessary pressure on artery carotid?

 

[hi-okbye]

@hi-okbye if you have an idea ? ..
Is it possible to pass out quickly with this method? Or this guy just fight with SI for several minutes until being asphixed?

I cannot imagine how that could possibly work. Very interesting.

I can't figure out how this worked. Very unusual indeed.

i'll be honest it took me a few minutes to understand how this worked, but once you see it it makes sense.
basically the two loops that were knotted were tied around each knee/upper lower leg. then a third loop which can be seen in the middle, was wrapped around his neck. it's difficult to see the rope going around his second back knee, that's why it's hard to tell how this was done.
for your questions:
1. the inital position was basically the one you see there. he made a loop around his neck, where the loop start was on the back of his neck, then he tied both strings around his knees. or maybe moreso he had them pre-tied, and he just slid them on.
2. basically the pressure was on the front of his neck. when he moved his legs down or his neck up, it tightened the rope around his neck and he passed out.
3. yes i believe he passed out somewhat quickly, just like hanging (if done right).
4. i think the way he maintained proper pressure was that he just made the string short enough. if the string is too long, once he bent down, the pressure would release. but he did it where the car steering wheel would block his head from falling down completly, therefore keeping enough pressure on his neck and killing him. pretty smart actually.

 

[gbi2]

There was a case of someone dropping dead instantly after being grabbed round the neck because the vagus nerve was compressed. Could this have been that he pulled so hard or so suddenly to compress that nerve instead of the carotid artery?

 

[hi-okbye]

There was a case of someone dropping dead instantly after being grabbed round the neck because the vagus nerve was compressed. Could this have been that he pulled so hard or so suddenly to compress that nerve instead of the carotid artery?

that is possible, but mostly unlikely. considering it though, that might've been what happned, hard to tell though.

 

[lostinmythoughts]

For this second uncommon case, I also decided to dedicate a separate thread to try to understand the mechanism. This case as the 1st fascinates me by its "simplicity". It seems possible to reproduce it even in an armchair or sofa.
Here the PDF link , this is case number 2 with orange rope and knee knots : https://synapse.koreamed.org/upload/synapsedata/pdfdata/2018kjlm/kjlm-44-31.pdf

1/ What was the initial position?
2/ Is the pressure exerted at the front or back of the neck I have difficulty understanding exactly?

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I just need help to understand the mechanism, someone with a functional brain could enlighten me? ..

It's very sad! Human being is just a click away from dying!! Look at the image he's gone as if he was never here

 

[Battered_Seoul]

What's the knot for the leg loops? I'm assuming something that doesn't tighten with pressure.

 

[hi-okbye]

What's the knot for the leg loops? I'm assuming something that doesn't tighten with pressure.

i found the knots strange actually. seems like some type of figure 8 for the left loop (in the second photo), and a cow hitch type knot for the right loop. it's weird how two different knots were done, makes me believe that it was done in some type of rush. i guess we'll never know though.
and actually i do believe they tighten with pressure. the rope is made of plastic, which increases friction as well as the knots used would likely tighten with pressure. not too much, just enough to keep them sturdy though. note that there's a difference between the knots tightening with pressure, and the loops closing with pressure. due to the amount of friction with a plastic rope, the loop most likely wouldn't close even with loop closing knots.

 

[Battered_Seoul]

i found the knots strange actually. seems like some type of figure 8 for the left loop (in the second photo), and a cow hitch type knot for the right loop. it's weird how two different knots were done, makes me believe that it was done in some type of rush. i guess we'll never know though.
and actually i do believe they tighten with pressure. the rope is made of plastic, which increases friction as well as the knots used would likely tighten with pressure. not too much, just enough to keep them sturdy though. note that there's a difference between the knots tightening with pressure, and the loops closing with pressure. due to the amount of friction with a plastic rope, the loop most likely wouldn't close even with loop closing knots.

Could this be done in a prone, foetal position with a sudden downward movement of the legs or backward lurch of the head or would it be impossible to maintain the pressure?

 

[hi-okbye]

Could this be done in a prone, foetal position with a sudden downward movement of the legs or backward lurch of the head or would it be impossible to maintain the pressure?

possibly, but i don't really think so. it would make you pass out probably but the chances of waking up afterwards are too high to rely on it. there definitely should be something blocking you, the car seat is perfect to be honest. even then though, there is no guarantee.