UK police welfare check

[gothbird]

Yea this really seemed fishy. I highly doubt anyone would care if I bought SN.

But here's the catch—some states and new laws are clamping down hard because it's been linked to unaliving. High-purity sodium nitrite (over 10% concentration) is getting flagged as a "banned hazardous product" under bills like the Youth Poisoning Protection Act (passed the House in 2024, still pending Senate as of now). California's Tyler's Law (AB 1109, 2023) bans selling it to anyone under 18 and limits concentrations above 10% to adults with verified need—think commercial licenses. Colorado followed suit in 2024, restricting sales of high-concentration stuff to businesses, with fines up to $1 million for screwing up. So if you don't live in Colorado or California you should be fine.

This is partially true but not in the way it's being framed. and also, this thread was about the UK, so US state laws don't apply here.

Yes, some US states like California and Colorado have passed laws restricting the sale of high purity SN, especially to minors or without a commercial reason. Tyler's law and the proposed Youth Poisoning Protection Act are real, but the latter hasn't passed the senate yet, so it's not federal law. These bills are about tightening retail access, not criminalising personal possession.

But again this isn't the US, and the post was about the UK.

In the UK, SN is still legal to possess. It is not a controlled substance. There are no specific laws criminalising the ownership of SN in small quantities. What does happen is police attention if someone is reported, or if online activity raises red flags usually through welfare checks, not arrests.

There's no automatic database or watchlist you're added to for ordering it. Most police visits are triggered by online behaviour or concerned friends/family, not by the chemical itself.

 

[Redleaf1992]

How do you think they knew what was inside package it to flag it up? Does it look dodgy?
Surprised they didn't know it had arrived already if it's tracked?
I don't get what the point is as they can't watch people 24/7 so would need to catch you in the lie or something or in process of using ?

And also like why now? If it goes caught in customs now months ago - why welfare check now - and not like when the person got it and at most likly ness of taking SN. Either police or incompetent or more to it. TBH I woudent rule out it just being the police icompetnet lol

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

OP and the others talking about UK welfare checks seem legit to me.

if these were fake then why are they only reporting in UK? if they wanted to create fear,panic , or stop someone they would report in different countries . so imo these are real.

to believe these are fake you'd have to believe that this is a thing, make 5 fake accounts for months posting only things suicidal people can understand ? for what reason to make such efforts?

another thing imo these people perpetrating such a hoax would to either want to make the people on this site panic and kill themselves or to stop them from buying from DMC Uk. but that's totally illogical because if they wanted to cause panic or stop people here why say it's only in the UK ?

and only cause trouble for the UK? why only the UK? why do they want to cause trouble only for the people from the UK on this site?

if they wanted to cause trouble or scare people why not post really bad shit like that they were put in mental hospitals and do it for several countries ?

i think the administrators of this site could tell if it's the same ip or fake accounts

if you read the posts of OP and others saying they just got police checks, imo only people that are suicidal would be able to understand or write such posts. the ones i read seemed legit to me. and their answers on here like they know the details of DMC purchasing. so a group will go through all that trouble to memorize and purchase DMC. you have to know the details to be able to answer , imo they purchased DMC to be able to answer and understand the details such as payment options so quickly as they did in this thread and the other latest one.


what i think happened is in the Uk government agencies got the data from a shipper . and have all the shipment info from an address (DMC) for the last few months ( who knows how far back but all 5 have been recent last 3 months ).

they did this for a USA part of a worldwide police check a few years ago. they got the shipping info for UPS here in the USA. world governments coordinated massive police checks for IC SN and N from D police checks a few years ago.

imo it seems the UK gov agencies have DMC 's address flagged at customs and or might be looking through shipping data from shipper or courier.

i think these 5 reports of DMC police checks the last few days are really suicidal people visited by police in the UK

i know there are pro-lifers on here trying to take down sources but i don't think these posts are from pro-lifers .

 

[JayJay]

This is partially true but not in the way it's being framed. and also, this thread was about the UK, so US state laws don't apply here.

Yes, some US states like California and Colorado have passed laws restricting the sale of high purity SN, especially to minors or without a commercial reason. Tyler's law and the proposed Youth Poisoning Protection Act are real, but the latter hasn't passed the senate yet, so it's not federal law. These bills are about tightening retail access, not criminalising personal possession.

But again this isn't the US, and the post was about the UK.

In the UK, SN is still legal to possess. It is not a controlled substance. There are no specific laws criminalising the ownership of SN in small quantities. What does happen is police attention if someone is reported, or if online activity raises red flags usually through welfare checks, not arrests.

There's no automatic database or watchlist you're added to for ordering it. Most police visits are triggered by online behaviour or concerned friends/family, not by the chemical itself.

Yeah, if you're in the UK and people report you for trying to kill yourself with sodium nitrite, the police can absolutely rock up for a welfare check. They've got the power under Section 17 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 to enter your place without a warrant if they think it's necessary to save a life or stop serious harm. Someone snitching that you're stockpiling sodium nitrite to off yourself—especially if it's backed by texts, X posts, or a mate's word—gives them enough to kick the door in, no questions asked.

They'd likely show up with a "concern for welfare" tag, not guns blazing. The goal's to check if you're still breathing, not to nick you straight off. If they spot sodium nitrite lying around and it looks dodgy—like you've got a kilo next to a suicide note—they could seize it on the spot. That's under their common law powers to prevent imminent harm, plus the Suicide Act 1961 could come into play if they think you're about to use it. No need for Interpol or fancy international shit here; this is local plod doing their job.

Real talk: it's happened before. Cops have done welfare checks after online chatter about suicide kits—think of those 88 cases tied to Kenneth Law's supply. If your name's flagged from a forum or a worried pal's call, they're not waiting for you to croak. They'll roll up, ask if you're alright, and if the vibe's off, they're taking the stuff. You're not automatically fucked legally unless they prove intent to supply or assist someone else's suicide—possession alone isn't a crime. But good luck convincing them it's for curing bacon when your flat's a shrine to despair.

 

[designer]

All of this is right after DMC went down too, Im guessing his records got leaked.

 

[avidreader49]

Just wanted to point out a few things I've noticed, in case it helps others make sense of what's been posted lately.

The accounts that first raised red flags for me were:

• avidreader49 (https://sanctionedsuicide.site/threads/uk-police-welfare-check.201484/)
• ignorableaurochs (https://sanctionedsuicide.site/threads/warning-for-uk-sn-users.201470/)
• askmeifimatree (https://sanctionedsuicide.site/threads/just-got-police-visit-for-buying-sn-from-dmc.201184/)
• sendmeawayalien (https://sanctionedsuicide.site/threads/uk-also-got-a-police-visit-ordered-from-dmc-months-ago.201204/)

All relatively new users, low message counts, and all posting very recently with alarmist welfare check stories. There are inconsistencies between them, odd overlaps in timing, and a general tone that seems more focused on sparking fear than offering usable information. Some of it just doesn't line up but that could be the conspiracy theorist in me.

That said, I've kept an eye on spenshart (https://sanctionedsuicide.site/threads/the-sn-wellness-checks-are-fucking-real.201303)
and nameeater (https://sanctionedsuicide.site/threads/dmc-sn-possible-welfare-check-uk.193254/), and they are more credible. Spenshart's posts read as sincere and consistent. And nameeater has been around for years, always clear in what they share. If anything, their voice lends weight to the possibility that some checks may be happening but not in the widespread, coordinated way these newer accounts are suggesting.

So, yes, it's always smart to be cautious, especially in the UK right now. But I wouldn't take every post at face value. Panic spreads fast, especially when people are already vulnerable. And some of these accounts feel manufactured, or at the very least, like they're running on second hand fear.

I'm not trying to be accusatory. People might be telling the truth, or they might not. But it's important to use media literacy here. Look at patterns. Look at timing. Look at language. Fear spreads easily, especially with prolifers and people who think SaSu is a terrible place. Not every post is made in good faith, and not everyone here is who they say they are, I'm sure.

Owning SN isn't illegal. The police can't enter your home without a warrant or probable cause. Don't let scare posts push you into rushed decisions. This might help you if you're worried about how to explain having SN.

Is that a good thing? You know they won't be able to do anything?

From my experience that's more of a concern to people who have no experience with the MH "service".

I guess I'm worried because of my history it will be more obvious I was planning to use it to ctb. Are police allowed to access your NHS records?

How do you think they knew what was inside package it to flag it up? Does it look dodgy?
Surprised they didn't know it had arrived already if it's tracked?
I don't get what the point is as they can't watch people 24/7 so would need to catch you in the lie or something or in process of using ?

I have no idea, it's in a small brown envelope with 'concrete hardener' on it. They did say they think it will still arrive. Well that's why I'm worried it will be a referral to a mental health crisis team for them to deal with.

 

[fadinggirl]

This is getting suspicious all coming from new accounts

maybe they were guests who found dmc that way but only made accounts to post the warnings? idk

Well if they take a look at my records that may have flagged things due to being diagnosed with depression recently. They said a parcel had been flagged at customs and they have to visit based on what was ordered

did you still receive it from customs?

 

[avidreader49]

maybe they were guests who found dmc that way but only made accounts to post the warnings? idk

did you still receive it from customs?

Yes I did

 

[intothec]

Yes I did

How much did you order?
I would DM abut not for feature yet

 

[ignorableaurochs]

I'm surprised they did not make you speak to mental health services. They forced me to speak to MHAS on the phone although MHAS said I did not have to attend hospital since they deemed me no 'immediate threat' (it's not like I haven't told my psych I have plans to kill myself). However an ambulance crew were there (supposedly 'cancelled' but still showed up) so I was worried they would take me, and so I consented to the search saying that I didn't want my partner to find out that it actually had arrived. Pretty sure they told my partner anyway. They said they would tell my psychiatrist so it will definitely be on my record. I'm so upset and violated. I am in Scotland fyi so I don't know if the English laws are different. I have received welfare checks before in England but never from the police, just from a crisis team.

 

[Setmefree76]

I'm in the UK and just had a police welfare check after ordering SN just to let people know

I'm in the UK and can't get any adult mental health help for love nor money. I'd be amazed if this was true

 

[bebeblu]

I ordered about 2 weeks ago but on the old site so that delayed my order as DMC lost my address. I received it last Friday. I literally have no idea how it works, they even said it's not illegal to have or order but when individuals order it they have to follow it up

Can I ask how your SN was packaged?

 

[Wilt-On-High]

Ring doorbell footage… just want to know if they will now refer to mental health services?

ITS REAL :0

Well if they take a look at my records that may have flagged things due to being diagnosed with depression recently. They said a parcel had been flagged at customs and they have to visit based on what was ordered

They won't tell you but they'll check behind the scenes (without them telling you) if they put two and two together they'll come back for you probably and either arrest you on section 3 or 2

 

[broken_doll]

I just wanted to add my own story I just had police at my door too asking about it. Saying they were tipped off by a "Terry or Kerry Fox". Christ alive that was terrifying but they seemed to give up and told me to notify them if it arrives (I bluffed like hell) but they had my name and address. No details as to when it was ordered or delivered but it's been 5 months and now they turn up??

I hate being in the uk

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I just wanted to add my own story I just had police at my door too asking about it. Saying they were tipped off by a "Terry or Kerry Fox". Christ alive that was terrifying but they seemed to give up and told me to notify them if it arrives (I bluffed like hell) but they had my name and address. No details as to when it was ordered or delivered but it's been 5 months and now they turn up??

I hate being in the uk

Was it Dmc?

 

[broken_doll]

Was it Dmc?

it was, yes. I had heard of this happening before I ordered but I hoped it wouldn't to me

 

[2messdup]

ITS REAL :0

They won't tell you but they'll check behind the scenes (without them telling you) if they put two and two together they'll come back for you probably and either arrest you on section 3 or 2

Doubt it

 

[xxlavenderxx]

honestly most police don't really give much of a shit about mental health (for better or worse I guess ^^; ) just don't forget they have no right to detain you under the mental health act while you're in your own property, and only have the right when you step out into the public so don't let them trick you into going outside if you suspect they have plans to detain u <3

 

[ghost-shock]

I'm not from the UK, I'm in New Zealand, so my legal lingo skews more general. I suppose 'reasonable grounds' is more correct if we wanna get nitpicky re: location, as that's what it is here so I'm assuming the UK is the same.

That said, as you mentioned, general welfare checks don't usually meet the threshold for forced entry unless there's a clear, imminent risk to life. If someone answers the door, appears coherent, and doesn't give cause for concern, they typically move on.
It's definitely not as simple as "they have no right," but also not as open door as some panic posts imply. That's why I've mentioned having some legitimate reasons to have SN.

How can you assume two completely different countries have similar law. That's literally hilarious.

 

[gothbird]

How can you assume two completely different countries have similar law. That's literally hilarious.

It's not that wild of an assumption, actually. The UK and New Zealand share a common legal heritage and both systems are rooted in English common law, and our legal frameworks are closely aligned in structure because of that. We're part of the Commonwealth, our police procedures often echo each other, and there's a long standing tradition of legislative borrowing between the two countries.

Different countries, yes. Different legal systems, not entirely.