Againstthewind

Againstthewind

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Jul 10, 2022
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So to sum up Mark Rowley says he will order his officers not to attend thousands of calls they get every year to deal with mental health incidents. He believes the move is necessary and urgent because officers are being diverted from their core role of fighting crime (even though they do a shit job of that too) and patients who need medical experts are being failed when a police officer attends instead. Rowley has given health and social care services a deadline of 31 August before the force starts its ban, which will only be waived if a threat to life is feared. Rowley's letter to the Met's health and social care partners was sent on 24 May, giving them a 99-day deadline to plan for the change. Police and health chiefs have been talking about relieving the mental health burden on police under a new national scheme called right care, right person (RCRP).

The plan could cause consternation among ambulance workers, paramedics and NHS staff who are already under pressure because of cuts and at a time when mental health services are already stretched.

Here is the letter he wrote to health and social care partners;

"I have asked my team that the Met introduce RCRP this summer and withdraw from health-related calls by no later than 31 August. I appreciate this may be challenging, but for the reasons I have set out above, the status quo is untenable. It is important to stress the urgency of implementing RCRP in London. Every day that we permit the status quo to remain we are collectively failing patients and are not setting officers up to succeed. In fact, we are failing Londoners twice. We are failing them first by sending police officers, not medical professionals, to those in mental health crisis, and expecting them to do their best in circumstances where they are not the right people to be dealing with the patient. We are failing Londoners a second time by taking large amounts of officer time away from preventing and solving crime, as well as dealing properly with victims, in order to fill gaps for others."

The letter cites data from a national police study that says officers spend almost a million hours a year waiting in hospitals for mental health patients to be assessed, the equivalent of attending 500,000 domestic abuse incidents or 600,000 burglaries."


Rowley claims in his letter that Met police officers spend 10,000 hours a month dealing with mental health issues, and that it takes up to 14 hours to hand a patient over to medical staff.

In what amounts to a broadside against the health service, he also says there are scores of cases a month in which his officers are called when patients waiting for treatment walk out and are reported missing.

RCRP (Right care, right person) was an innovation from Humberside, where after a year of tense negotiations police and health services reached an agreement under which many mental health calls are dealt with by health professionals rather than officers. The government wants the scheme to be rolled out across the country, but health chiefs would argue that austerity measures have left them short of the resources to cope with the demands for mental health services, with police effectively becoming a makeshift mental health service.

Let this not be a story where they believe they are overworked because they go to these mental health emergencies, people have campaigned against them NOT going because as we all know they make things 10 times worse. NOW they will stop this, as you notice not to make things better for the general population for those to be dealt with by the right people, but because THEY complain that it takes the time away from the crime (that they fail to fight, once again they were always shit). Ambulance wait times, psych wards, the general MH services in the UK is just burning ash from a destroyed system. Remember the Met remains in special measures because of a litany of failings.
 
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Dolphin55

Dolphin55

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Jan 7, 2023
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good news if health & social care can get the funding they need and take over attending these calls. Police shouldn't be anywhere near someone suffering a crisis unless the person is threatening someone.
 
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LittleJem

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Jul 3, 2019
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I agree. The police spent hours and hours with me. I wish instead they would prosecute rapists, go to burglaries, protect people from domestic violence.
but they will probably need to set up a whole new job role/division for people to do this if not the police. who will need transport etc. Like basically physically fit psych nurses. they will need 100s of people willing to do this job and they will need to pay them.
 
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cgrtt.brns

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Apr 19, 2023
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i hope this does get rolled out across the rest of the uk. the police are the worst possible service to respond to people in mental crisis. i just hope maybe this might be a fire under the government's arse to put more funding into the nhs and mh services. it probably wont though. maybe it'll at least give the public more incentive to protest for more funding, but then again if most people dont care already i doubt theyd care at all when it comes to mental health. the main reason im scared for when i eventually decide to ctb is if i fail and have to interact with police, id much rather just be left to die slowly and painfully then deal with that. which is probably what will end up happening if rcrp reaches the whole of uk anyway. :/
 
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ringo99

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Apr 18, 2023
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I'm not from the UK but this move makes sense. Police should be handling crime not acting as therapists. It's just a waste of their training. This might also mean that mental health programs get better funding.
 
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betternever2havbeen

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Jun 19, 2022
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I think this is a good thing-they are not the right people to be dealing with MH issues. I'm no fan of the police but it's not their fault MH services are a shambles and they end up attending calls to people in crisis which they are not trained to deal with.
 
venting247

venting247

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Aug 9, 2023
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I never understood why the police get involved anyway. The police aren't or trained to deal with mental health, and their job is to be deal with crime, not someone in a mental health crisis. It isn't a suitable option.
 
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UKscotty

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May 20, 2021
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Stupid idea, especially with the NHS being in crisis.

Now we will be left with thousands of people, who often get agitated and violent, with no service to respond.

It's all good and well saying the police are not the best for it, I fully agree. However, there is literally no alternative here in the UK. You can barely get a paramedic or doctor for a physical ailment, and MH has a tiny fraction and resource.
 
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SVEN

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Apr 3, 2023
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Bottom line is that no public service here in the UK is funded sufficiently or has enough personnel. The Police just finished up handling mental health incidents because the National Health Service can't. Even as I write this we have ongoing strikes from Hospital Doctors, Nurses and Consultants.
The Ambulance service take several hours to attend, if at all, so the cops just get landed with another system failure.
And, as for the Commisioner stating that the Police will only attend incidents where there is a threat to life, that just means that folk phoning 999 "emergency", if they can get through, will say that the person involved is threatening to harm themselves or another.
SSDD … same shit, different day.
 
CTB Fella

CTB Fella

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Dec 15, 2022
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Hasn't stopped for me.

But I'm classed as very high risk, so they don't take the chance with me.
 
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LittleJem

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Jul 3, 2019
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police swarmed round me the other day when I was being sick from alcohol (psycho-ex abandoned me to police). They wanted to section me but I said No, No, No.

There i was thinking being drunk okay in UK!
 
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Suicidebydeath

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Nov 25, 2021
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They wouldn't have to "look after" us if assisted suicide was legal :(