Ugly People Being Treated Worse Than Attractive People Is An Immutable Fact

[Bronzehawkattack]

If I whine about being a kissless, hugless virgin that no woman would ever want to fuck, let alone date as a long-term companion because I'm ugly -- If I do that and play the "I'm an ugly incel, no one wants me, woe is me." trope completely straight, on most forums on the internet I will get negative comments, hostile comments, and comments that call for so-called incels gone from that forum.

And guess what? If I were attractive I could post my picture to those very same forums and all the hostile comments would immediately soften by a degree or two. I'd have people worried about me, being gentle with me. I'd have women in my inbox wanting me more than anything despite the incel label. I'd probably get way more upvotes too.

But instead, you understand that I'm ugly. The people angry that an ugly virgin is complaining will be harsh and aggressive, they won't hold back their ire, no one will care about my fate, they just want me to stop moaning about it. I experienced that in a thread just a minute ago.

That's one of many realities of ugly versus good-looking dichotomies.

For as much as Reddit is a forum where incels go to be shouted down for their woes, ugly incels are proven time and time again their struggles are real by that very same website.

/r/amiugly is a perfect example of this. Hordes and hordes of good-looking attractive men and women post there, upvoted and showered with attention. People worry for them and coddle them. The genuinely unattractive people who post there get ignored, buried and forgotten, or more accurately, never noticed. Some, especially the women who are unattractive, get treated really poorly. This isn't a comment that can age poorly, because if you sort for the top comments of the past month of any given month in a year, you will see mostly attractive (usually white) people at the top, usually being coddled, told they aren't ugly and people worrying for them.

I've seen the same trend on incel forums and subreddits, where the good-looking ones understand their advantage, and spam their face all over the place knowing what it will inevitably lead to: them getting hand-picked out of the forum by women who find them attractive. I've seen the most vile, insulting, picky, hateful but very attractive so-called "incels" get tens of DMs from women and brag about how they get their pick of the litter.

The good-looking versus ugly filter is pervasive in every space, digital or real. From the popular people, to the bottom dwellers. You see it on Tiktok, you see it on Reddit, you see it on TV, you see it on online dating, you see it even in spaces like this, or /r/amiugly or as I mentioned, the so-called "incelosphere".

Despite the many people on this website who want to attack those who preach the importance of looks in our society, It's far too easy to prove how much it matters. The examples proving my point are limitless, and the people who try and debate me on this, often end up proving my point. This isn't MY ideology, It's not something I wish to be like this, It's what society and human nature unfortunately trend towards -- a heavy bias in favor of attractive people and against ugly people.

This is why, as an ugly person, It's so important to me that I have the option to ctb. I don't have the power to change how our entire civilization works, but I should at least have the power to make it so that I don't have to suffer as the village whipping boy any longer.

 

[GasMonkey]

Yeah, most people are completely deluded on how attraction really works, that's why you see them saying BluePill absurdities such as "jUSt bE cOnFIDenT bRO", "jUSt iMproVE yoUR pErsONaLiTy", "tHe iNNer BeAuTY is WhAT MaTTers" and the likes. It amazes me how ignorant they are about how deterministic life on this planet is.​

the importance of looks in our society

The importante of looks IN NATURE.​

I don't have the power to change how our entire civilization works

You don't have the power to change how NATURE AND NATURAL SELECTION works.
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Scientists have generated very strong evidence that Looks are the most important factor. While doing that they also discovered that the preferences that people report they have (personality first) are actually not their real preferences (looks first).

People saying that personality is the most important factor are just stating their biased personal opinion which is not backed up by anything, so it doesn't have much value (if any at all). The only evidence that scientists have found of personality having any notable impact on generating attraction in women was from dark "negative" traits (narcissism, manipulativeness, psychopathy).

Women looking for partners with money and status is a thing of the past, they already have that themselves. They want good genetics (which is looks).

Scientists already know that in a statistical significant way Looks are the most important factor by far. People here saying that personality is the most important factor for them (which is most likely a subconscious lie) doesn't matter (even if it's really true for them) because that's not how the phenomenon of attraction works most of the time.

No amount of personality improvements are gonna make you attractive to a girl that is not physically attracted to you by your looks. Personality is absolutely irrelevant when you don't reach the required looks rating, doesn't matter what you say or what you do.

For anybody who wants to get closer to the truth, there is an ever growing recopilation of studies in the Scientific Blackpill. I also suggest the WAW series by FACEandLMS and the WheatWaffles channel.

BlackPill denial is data ignorance.​

 

[Mr2005]

Only got words to go off here which gives the advantage to the English majors

 

[Huggs]

You put this pretty well. One of countless unfortunate things about being alive.

 

[ChronicPain23]

I understand you very much. Despite the fact that I have used prostitutes several times I still feel like a virgin and a total zero.
We live in over-sexualized times, we see that everyone has access to intimacy, to sex, and we? We don't have access to love, to sex. Very bad times for unattractive people.

 

[loyalskateboard]

I mean, yes, to a certain degree. Life is far easier when you're conventionally attractive. That has been proven time and time again. At the same time, being ugly doesn't guarantee you will never have a relationship. It will be harder, but not impossible. Plenty of people considered ugly get in relationships. Hell, I'd be considered ugly but have dated before. It's not just men who have issues either. My dating pool is honestly smaller than yours. If you can't change your looks, you just have to offer other things. It sounds dumb but people do value your personality and values. It might be harder, and maybe close to impossible for a one night stand, but it's still possible. I wouldn't use that alone to justify ctb.

 

[ChronicPain23]

I mean, yes, to a certain degree. Life is far easier when you're conventionally attractive. That has been proven time and time again. At the same time, being ugly doesn't guarantee you will never have a relationship. It will be harder, but not impossible. Plenty of people considered ugly get in relationships. Hell, I'd be considered ugly but have dated before. It's not just men who have issues either. My dating pool is honestly smaller than yours. If you can't change your looks, you just have to offer other things. It sounds dumb but people do value your personality and values. It might be harder, and maybe close to impossible for a one night stand, but it's still possible. I wouldn't use that alone to justify ctb.

An ugly woman will always find someone. The ugly man is left alone and ends up on the rope. Brutal times for men.

 

[Bronzehawkattack]

It's not just men who have issues either. My dating pool is honestly smaller than yours

Unless you're also only attracted to women, no It's not.
I've been able to take the fattest and "ugliest" woman, put her profile on dating sites, and got guys to actually commit to dates based off of those profiles.
Meanwhile, despite the fact that I'm slim, well dressed, and well-groomed, just ridiculously ugly in the face, I can't get a match, let alone a date.
Men and (heterosexual) women have completely different struggles in the dating marketplace, and unfortunately, the struggle for men is much harder.

The rest of your comment I don't take as much issue with because It's technically correct if I don't get too pedantic. Technically, an ugly man still can get in a relationship, he just needs something to HEAVILY compensate for his ugliness such as; large status, a lot of wealth, or an extremely charismatic personality. Age plays a factor too -- I don't dispute that. It just takes heavy overcompensation and at the end of the day, you'll never be liked for who you are, especially if you're ugly and have a subdued personality.

So, don't tell me that's not a valid reason to ctb, especially because It's not just limited to romance, like I mentioned and like GasMonkey eloquently explained, It's pervasive in all facets of human nature.

 

[loyalskateboard]

An ugly woman will always find someone. The ugly man is left alone and ends up on the rope. Brutal times for men.

Eh, not really. Some women end up alone. And like I said, ugly men date and get married. I've seen it in real life. I'm not denying that some people end up alone but it's not certain. You have a chance. Plenty of women above all desire a loyal and kind man. Those are the traits I've heard most from family or friends of family. If you keep yourself clean, don't cheat or be an asshole, and try in both real life plus dating apps, maybe even speed dating, you have a shot. My point is don't give up. Personally I highly doubt I will get in a relationship again but that's okay. If it happens it happens. I just don't think being single is a good reason to ctb alone. Of course, I can't tell you what to do. I'm just giving my opinion. There is far more to life than a relationship. It won't make you happy or solve any issues. Honestly it could give you more anxiety despite having a companion. Making friends and even doing cuddle therapy (yes it's a thing) could help the touch starvation. If it's just sex, there are sex workers.

Unless you're also only attracted to women, no It's not.
I've been able to take the fattest and "ugliest" woman, put her profile on dating sites, and got guys to actually commit to dates based off of those profiles.
Meanwhile, despite the fact that I'm slim, well dressed, and well-groomed, just ridiculously ugly in the face, I can't get a match, let alone a date.
Men and (heterosexual) women have completely different struggles in the dating marketplace, and unfortunately, the struggle for men is much harder.

The rest of your comment I don't take as much issue with because It's technically correct if I don't get too pedantic. Technically, an ugly man still can get in a relationship, he just needs something to HEAVILY compensate for his ugliness such as; large status, a lot of wealth, or an extremely charismatic personality. Age plays a factor too -- I don't dispute that. It just takes heavy overcompensation and at the end of the day, you'll never be liked for who you are, especially if you're ugly and have a subdued personality.

So, don't tell me that's not a valid reason to ctb, especially because It's not just limited to romance, like I mentioned and like GasMonkey eloquently explained, It's pervasive in all facets of human nature.

I'm a lesbian. My dating pool is smaller and harder. Imagine having the same issues but maybe 90% less women as an option. I know what it's like to have trouble with responses/dms or lower matches. I've probably had 3% of what my straight friends/family have gotten. Anyway, that's a slight tangent. What I said is technically correct because it's true. You don't need to be super rich or talented. I've seen straight women (in real life) date very unattractive, poor, and awkward men. As far as having more matches, that doesn't mean much. A lot of the time they complain it's only a booty call. If you desire sex and not dating, you can hire a sex worker. Otherwise like I said to machete23, friends and cuddle therapists can help if you're touch starved. Maybe even a pet. But being single imo is not a good reason to ctb if that's the only thing that bothers you.

 

[Bronzehawkattack]

Eh, not really. Some women end up alone. And like I said, ugly men date and get married. I've seen it in real life. I'm not denying that some people end up alone but it's not certain. You have a chance. Plenty of women above all desire a loyal and kind man. Those are the traits I've heard most from family or friends of family. If you keep yourself clean, don't cheat or be an asshole, and try in both real life plus dating apps, maybe even speed dating, you have a shot. My point is don't give up. Personally I highly doubt I will get in a relationship again but that's okay. If it happens it happens. I just don't think being single is a good reason to ctb alone. Of course, I can't tell you what to do. I'm just giving my opinion. There is far more to life than a relationship. It won't make you happy or solve any issues. Honestly it could give you more anxiety despite having a companion. Making friends and even doing cuddle therapy (yes it's a thing) could help the touch starvation. If it's just sex, there are sex workers.


I'm a lesbian. My dating pool is smaller and harder. Imagine having the same issues but maybe 90% less women as an option. I know what it's like to have trouble with responses/dms or lower matches. I've probably had 3% of what my straight friends/family have gotten. Anyway, that's a slight tangent. What I said is technically correct because it's true. You don't need to be super rich or talented. I've seen straight women (in real life) date very unattractive, poor, and awkward men. As far as having more matches, that doesn't mean much. A lot of the time they complain it's only a booty call. If you desire sex and not dating, you can hire a sex worker. Otherwise like I said to machete23, friends and cuddle therapists can help if you're touch starved. Maybe even a pet. But being single imo is not a good reason to ctb if that's the only thing that bothers you.

Yes, as a lesbian you definitely have a hard time in dating, I won't debate you there. Smaller pool than mine? No. You're not ugly, being ugly shrinks your dating pool tremendously. I've not seen a single unattractive, poor, AND awkward man have a long-term relationship. I'm only two of those at best, ugly and perhaps a bit awkward, I've literally never seen a guy who is all 3 have a girlfriend so I can't help but feel you're talking nonsense you made up to try and make a point.

If all I was getting was booty calls I wouldn't complain. So no, matches mean a lot. A woman gets to at least feel a bit desired, a man, not at all. A sex worker is completely transactional, you pay for her to tolerate you, a woman doesn't have to pay for a man to have sex with her. Sex workers are expensive as well. If I hired an escort in my area for an hour once a week, I'd be in the red, and I make 80k a year. A woman can get sex whenever she wants. That's not even what I want though, I just want to be desired and loved, sex is just proof of that.

The pet and friends suggestion was laughable so I'm not going to entertain those because they're not equivalent. Cuddle therapists I'm sure are nice if all you want are cuddles, but that's not love, you don't get to kiss, you don't get to truly date, you don't get to ever become anything more. So no, not an alternative.

Now, the rest of your comment was fine and didn't piss me off except for the end -- Stop fucking telling me It's not a good reason to ctb. Tell me all that other bluepilled shit, but don't fucking tell me the pain I'm feeling everyday isn't reason to die. You don't fucking get it, and I don't need you to get it, I just need you to stop telling me that even though I feel this pain EVERY DAY that I'm not supposed to feel that's reason to ctb.

I don't shit on your reason to ctb so don't shit on mine. I don't understand yours, and you don't understand mine. But just like I won't tell you your reason for being here isn't valid, I don't want to hear shit about how I don't have a good reason to ctb when I'm hurting every damn day.

 

[loyalskateboard]

Yes, as a lesbian you definitely have a hard time in dating, I won't debate you there. Smaller pool than mine? No. You're not ugly, being ugly shrinks your dating pool tremendously. I've not seen a single unattractive, poor, AND awkward man have a long-term relationship. I'm only two of those at best, ugly and perhaps a bit awkward, I've literally never seen a guy who is all 3 have a girlfriend so I can't help but feel you're talking nonsense you made up to try and make a point.

If all I was getting was booty calls I wouldn't complain. So no, matches mean a lot. A woman gets to at least feel a bit desired, a man, not at all. A sex worker is completely transactional, you pay for her to tolerate you, a woman doesn't have to pay for a man to have sex with her. Sex workers are expensive as well. If I hired an escort in my area for an hour once a week, I'd be in the red, and I make 80k a year. A woman can get sex whenever she wants. That's not even what I want though, I just want to be desired and loved, sex is just proof of that.

The pet and friends suggestion was laughable so I'm not going to entertain those because they're not equivalent. Cuddle therapists I'm sure are nice if all you want are cuddles, but that's not love, you don't get to kiss, you don't get to truly date, you don't get to ever become anything more. So no, not an alternative.

Now, the rest of your comment was fine and didn't piss me off except for the end -- Stop fucking telling me It's not a good reason to ctb. Tell me all that other bluepilled shit, but don't fucking tell me the pain I'm feeling everyday isn't reason to die. You don't fucking get it, and I don't need you to get it, I just need you to stop telling me that even though I feel this pain EVERY DAY that I'm not supposed to feel that's reason to ctb.

I don't shit on your reason to ctb so don't shit on mine. I don't understand yours, and you don't understand mine. But just like I won't tell you your reason for being here isn't valid, I don't want to hear shit about how I don't have a good reason to ctb when I'm hurting every damn day.

My first comment in this thread quite literally said I would be considered ugly. I'm not rich either and very socially awkward. Also my pool is statistically smaller. The lesbian dating pool is smaller than even gay men or bisexuals, never mind straight people, and most bisexual women end up with men. If you think I'm making things up, there's not much I can say. You will think I'm lying. I know for a fact that all three of those qualities do not make it impossible for men to date. Harder? Sure. But it happens more than you think. Believe me or don't, I'm just a random person on the internet, but I have seen it before.

I'm sorry that I pissed you off. I don't know all of your reasons. It's just that if being single is your only reason, I think you should stay because it's not impossible. You have given up and made up your mind despite the fact men with xyz trait get into relationships. Or maybe you don't want a relationship and just want sex. It would probably be easier to get sex in a relationship honestly. From my experience, most women want to date. Not messages with a dick pic and "what do u think?" or "hey" followed by giving an address. There is a safety element to hook ups that most men don't have to worry about (or at least not so much)

We probably won't get far with this conversation. If you reply, I probably won't. I hope you have a good day and I wish you luck with whatever you choose to do

 

[TransilvanianHunger]

Why is every incel post so comically verbose and dense? The premise of the thread is, indeed, a fact in most situations. Good looking people have an advantage, and ugly people struggle more because we are animals and good looks make our animal brains tingly. Blame that one on evolution. The rest of the rant is the typical incel speech that misses the point entirely, and focuses on how mean people are for not "loving and desiring" them, without an ounce of self-awareness about how utterly unlikeable their attitude makes them to others, or how maybe focusing on wanting to get things, particularly sex, out of a relationship is not how relationships are supposed to work.

 

[MrDarkness]

Personality does work, kinda. In this day in age it's hook up culture, everyone either wants to fuck or wants to do the fucking. I don't believe in love, I'm ugly, when I talk to girls they look terrified, and are grossed out to even be mentioned if they ever had a slight interest in me. I cut myself to not feel love. I'm not angry at women or men, I'm angry at the concept of love

 

[kindalone]

Why is every incel post so comically verbose and dense? The premise of the thread is, indeed, a fact in most situations. Good looking people have an advantage, and ugly people struggle more because we are animals and good looks make our animal brains tingly. Blame that one on evolution. The rest of the rant is the typical incel speech that misses the point entirely, and focuses on how mean people are for not "loving and desiring" them, without an ounce of self-awareness about how utterly unlikeable their attitude makes them to others, or how maybe focusing on wanting to get things, particularly sex, out of a relationship is not how relationships are supposed to work.

I don't think sex is the issue here. A lot of them have money and could have sex with very attractive prostitutes. They could lose their virginity to hotter women than most men lost their virginity to. If they pay the right prostitute, they would get one of the best experiences someone could ever get out of their first time. Also, most of them know if they bend over backwards for someone, they would get all they seem to demand. Relationships, love, sex. But then you're a betabux or whatever that was. A way better looking man would have gotten her in 10 minutes and tossed her aside for the next girl or some shit. It's not worth it for them, if they have to work harder than some male model. So I guess they want birth rights. Their demands for love, touch and partners are all valid. But it seems like they want extremely specific ways on how to get it. They want the love at first sight, the instant match, the immediate attraction. But that shit is rare.

 

[TransilvanianHunger]

I don't think sex is the issue here. A lot of them have money and could have sex with very attractive prostitutes. They could lose their virginity to hotter women than most men lost their virginity to. If they pay the right prostitute, they would get one of the best experiences someone could ever get out of their first time. Also, most of them know if they bend over backwards for someone, they would get all they seem to demand. Relationships, love, sex. But then you're a betabux or whatever that was. A way better looking man would have gotten her in 10 minutes and tossed her aside for the next girl or some shit. It's not worth it for them, if they have to work harder than some male model. So I guess they want birth rights. Their demands for love, touch and partners are all valid. But it seems like they want extremely specific ways on how to get it. They want the love at first sight, the instant match, the immediate attraction. But that shit is rare.

This is purely anecdotal, but when it comes to men, the most emotionally frustrated and fucked up I know tend to be the wealthiest, most attractive ones. My theory is that wealth and physical attractiveness can get you a lot of potential partners, but the relationships are built on sand. People don't connect with you because they like who you are. They like your face, body, and wallet. When you're emotionally immature it doesn't matter, because you just want to get your dick wet as often as possible, but it's like binging on junk food. Might be fun for a bit but you'll end up feeling like shit.

Also anecdotally, I've known quite a few men who are ugly—not average or a bit below, just ugly—who were quite popular with women. Not just having sex, but actually being in real, loving long-term relationships. None of them are particularly wealthy either, so it's not that. The one thing they had in common, other than being aesthetically challenged was that they didn't take themselves too seriously and were quite fun to be around.

 

[Torabol]

The one thing they had in common, other than being aesthetically challenged was that they didn't take themselves too seriously and were quite fun to be around.

Yeah. while being attractive helps a lot, this is the main thing I've noticed. If you radiate negativity like a beacon not much is going to happen for you. On the other hand, I feel like many potential partners know when you're cruising and having a adventure so to say, and they'll want to tag along.

 

[Bronzehawkattack]

My first comment in this thread quite literally said I would be considered ugly. I'm not rich either and very socially awkward. Also my pool is statistically smaller. The lesbian dating pool is smaller than even gay men or bisexuals, never mind straight people, and most bisexual women end up with men. If you think I'm making things up, there's not much I can say. You will think I'm lying. I know for a fact that all three of those qualities do not make it impossible for men to date. Harder? Sure. But it happens more than you think. Believe me or don't, I'm just a random person on the internet, but I have seen it before.

I'm sorry that I pissed you off. I don't know all of your reasons. It's just that if being single is your only reason, I think you should stay because it's not impossible. You have given up and made up your mind despite the fact men with xyz trait get into relationships. Or maybe you don't want a relationship and just want sex. It would probably be easier to get sex in a relationship honestly. From my experience, most women want to date. Not messages with a dick pic and "what do u think?" or "hey" followed by giving an address. There is a safety element to hook ups that most men don't have to worry about (or at least not so much)

We probably won't get far with this conversation. If you reply, I probably won't. I hope you have a good day and I wish you luck with whatever you choose to do

We're going to have to agree to disagree on the top half of your comment because I'm personally of the opinion that It's all wrong.

I'm sorry for going off a bit strong at the end of my previous comment, thank you for not doubling down on that upset energy, I was really hurting yesterday and really most days recently. Men who are like me don't get into relationships, I see it everyday. Especially around my age of 24. Maybe for older folks it was possible, maybe for older folks it still is possible. But I know for a fact, right now, my chances of ever being desired or loved are nil given all my traits. Most women want to date a man they're attracted to and I am not he, I'm too ugly and not exceptional enough. I don't do the dick pic and other such stuff, what's funny is it probably works for those guys with enough attempts because they're not ugly, hence why they do it.

Why is every incel post so comically verbose and dense? The premise of the thread is, indeed, a fact in most situations. Good looking people have an advantage, and ugly people struggle more because we are animals and good looks make our animal brains tingly. Blame that one on evolution. The rest of the rant is the typical incel speech that misses the point entirely, and focuses on how mean people are for not "loving and desiring" them, without an ounce of self-awareness about how utterly unlikeable their attitude makes them to others, or how maybe focusing on wanting to get things, particularly sex, out of a relationship is not how relationships are supposed to work.

Because as an incel I'm used to having to play defensive -- you have to REALLY spell out the point and then hit the audience over the head with it ten times over to reinforce the fact that you are speaking is indeed a fact. Imagine there's a large amount of people who believe some shit like water isn't wet or the Earth isn't round, you have to REALLY hammer home the point because your audience is denying reality.

Case in point; you've assumed how "utterly unlikable" my attitude is, when I never rant about this stuff except for on anonymous internet posts. Furthermore, you take that to justify why I can't get a date, even though as I outlined in the OP, if I posted a picture of myself and I turned out to be handsome, it wouldn't matter.

You even assumed ALL I want is sex. It sounds to me more than anything you fundamentally misunderstand incels.
Listen more than you speak because you've missed every point I made in the OP.

 

[Bronzehawkattack]

I don't think sex is the issue here. A lot of them have money and could have sex with very attractive prostitutes. They could lose their virginity to hotter women than most men lost their virginity to. If they pay the right prostitute, they would get one of the best experiences someone could ever get out of their first time. Also, most of them know if they bend over backwards for someone, they would get all they seem to demand. Relationships, love, sex. But then you're a betabux or whatever that was. A way better looking man would have gotten her in 10 minutes and tossed her aside for the next girl or some shit. It's not worth it for them, if they have to work harder than some male model. So I guess they want birth rights. Their demands for love, touch and partners are all valid. But it seems like they want extremely specific ways on how to get it. They want the love at first sight, the instant match, the immediate attraction. But that shit is rare.

Strawman, strawman, strawman.
You're arguing with yourself, why do you tone deaf people come from? If you're going to come into my thread, read my fucking post dude.

I could bend over backwards and still end up alone. You're once again showing how disconnected you are with the reality of being an ugly man. Despite making 80k a year, I can't afford to pay a woman to be my full-time wife. They have to be attracted to me. 80k a year is not trophy wife money (At least not in the United States, least of all the area of the USA where you can make 80k without a degree) Most incels are not playing with that kind of cash. I certainly can't buy relationships and love with that kind of money, and if I spent that kind of money to fuck an escort once every week, I'd be in the red.

It's not that we have to work harder than some male model.
See, this is exactly what I mean by strawman. You're not wrong that there are indeed incels who think like that, but you're not arguing with me, you're arguing with someone who is not in the room -- good looking or average looking """"""""""incels"""""""""" (Heavy asterisk on the in part of the cel) who are upset they're not getting their ideal girlfriend from sitting around doing nothing.
You're clearly not talking to me, because I'm not thinking like that. I've put in effort, I've been rejected time and time again. I'm 24 now, most people lost the V in their teens, let alone made it to their mid-20's alone and unwanted. Most people had more relationships than I've had tinder bot matches.

I want to be loved, but being ugly, you won't be.
Don't bark back with some bullshit assumption about how I didn't try, or my personality must be shit -- because at te end of the day it all comes down to you making those assumptions because you haven't had to walk a mile in my shoes.

Just like an attractive person who is so used to pretty privilege, they can't imagine the world treating people differently than how they're treated.
Or a spoiled rich trust fundie can't imagine people not having as much money as them.
As a non-uggo you can't imagine my world. Just like I probably can't imagine whatever reason you're here on this website, the only difference is I have the self-awareness to acknowledge that.

This is purely anecdotal, but when it comes to men, the most emotionally frustrated and fucked up I know tend to be the wealthiest, most attractive ones. My theory is that wealth and physical attractiveness can get you a lot of potential partners, but the relationships are built on sand. People don't connect with you because they like who you are. They like your face, body, and wallet. When you're emotionally immature it doesn't matter, because you just want to get your dick wet as often as possible, but it's like binging on junk food. Might be fun for a bit but you'll end up feeling like shit.

Also anecdotally, I've known quite a few men who are ugly—not average or a bit below, just ugly—who were quite popular with women. Not just having sex, but actually being in real, loving long-term relationships. None of them are particularly wealthy either, so it's not that. The one thing they had in common, other than being aesthetically challenged was that they didn't take themselves too seriously and were quite fun to be around.

That's cool and all for those ugly men, I won't dispute the importance of having a "fun" personality as in, being very charismatic. You can make up for ugly by being charismatic, no doubt.
Unfortunately, not everyone is born to be the "fun" guy. We've got personalities that become ingrained pretty early on.
But, the problem is people like you talk about personality as if It's something you can just exchange at the personality store -- we all know that's not how it works. The quiet kid is the quiet kid, the brash kid is the brash kid. We've observed in our lives the way personality is pretty much infitmed from a very early age. I was a quiet baby, that turned into a quiet toddler, that turned into a quiet elementary school kid, that turned into a quiet middle school and highschooler, and now, am a quiet 24-year-old adult.

I'm not a socially dysfunctional adult, and if I were attractive, my quiet personality would literally not matter, or rather, the people who claim to like quiet guys would like me.
But looks matter much more than that. So for me, Im willing to say looks are the be-all because if I were at least average I wouldnt be a 24 year old kissless hugless virgin.

 

[disasterplant]

An ugly woman will always find someone. The ugly man is left alone and ends up on the rope. Brutal times for men.

This is not true and I am living proof of that. I am an unattractive woman and I have never been in a relationship, nor have had anyone genuinely interested in me.

 

[Bronzehawkattack]

This is not true and I am living proof of that. I am an unattractive woman and I have never been in a relationship, nor have had anyone genuinely interested in me.

Betcha I could get you a Tinder date within a day.
That said I don't want to invalidate whatever it is you deal with in terms of dating, because I'm sure It's not all cookies and cream even if you can have a better love life than your male counterpart.

 

[vegasguy7022]

Please don't judge. I was genetically blessed with an attractive face full head of hair 6'3 with a good personality. But I still pick out the negatives in myself. People do treat you different. But only on surface. It has made it harder to CTB because I look around and notice I'm disproportionately better looking than the public but still health problems.

 

[Bronzehawkattack]

Please don't judge. I was genetically blessed with an attractive face full head of hair 6'3 with a good personality. But I still pick out the negatives in myself. People do treat you different. But only on surface. It has made it harder to CTB because I look around and notice I'm disproportionately better looking than the public but still health problems.

This feels like a satire post. I can't take it seriously lol

 

[Suicidebydeath]

Why is every incel post so comically verbose and dense? The premise of the thread is, indeed, a fact in most situations. Good looking people have an advantage, and ugly people struggle more because we are animals and good looks make our animal brains tingly. Blame that one on evolution. The rest of the rant is the typical incel speech that misses the point entirely, and focuses on how mean people are for not "loving and desiring" them, without an ounce of self-awareness about how utterly unlikeable their attitude makes them to others, or how maybe focusing on wanting to get things, particularly sex, out of a relationship is not how relationships are supposed to work.

100%, you're speaking my thoughts.

It sucks for unattractive people and they get treated unfairly in general, and they have to make up in different areas. This is glossed over by general pop and you'll always find a denier there. I, obviously disagree with general pop's lack of sympathy and the deniers. So there's place to vent about that here.

There's no need to expand that further into a men vs women debate. We can agree that it sucks for everyone. We're on the same side here.

 

[kindalone]

Strawman, strawman, strawman.
You're arguing with yourself, why do you tone deaf people come from? If you're going to come into my thread, read my fucking post dude.

I could bend over backwards and still end up alone. You're once again showing how disconnected you are with the reality of being an ugly man. Despite making 80k a year, I can't afford to pay a woman to be my full-time wife. They have to be attracted to me. 80k a year is not trophy wife money (At least not in the United States, least of all the area of the USA where you can make 80k without a degree) Most incels are not playing with that kind of cash. I certainly can't buy relationships and love with that kind of money, and if I spent that kind of money to fuck an escort once every week, I'd be in the red.

It's not that we have to work harder than some male model.
See, this is exactly what I mean by strawman. You're not wrong that there are indeed incels who think like that, but you're not arguing with me, you're arguing with someone who is not in the room -- good looking or average looking """"""""""incels"""""""""" (Heavy asterisk on the in part of the cel) who are upset they're not getting their ideal girlfriend from sitting around doing nothing.
You're clearly not talking to me, because I'm not thinking like that. I've put in effort, I've been rejected time and time again. I'm 24 now, most people lost the V in their teens, let alone made it to their mid-20's alone and unwanted. Most people had more relationships than I've had tinder bot matches.

I want to be loved, but being ugly, you won't be.
Don't bark back with some bullshit assumption about how I didn't try, or my personality must be shit -- because at te end of the day it all comes down to you making those assumptions because you haven't had to walk a mile in my shoes.

Just like an attractive person who is so used to pretty privilege, they can't imagine the world treating people differently than how they're treated.
Or a spoiled rich trust fundie can't imagine people not having as much money as them.
As a non-uggo you can't imagine my world. Just like I probably can't imagine whatever reason you're here on this website, the only difference is I have the self-awareness to acknowledge that.

I'm sorry for being ignorant in my reply, and I believe that you deserve more empathy towards your issues, considering we are all suffering in some way or another.
I'm not really good-looking or in any way attractive, but if you really think you are that unattractive, I can only imagine what you go through in life. I've seen a lot of men and women receive very harsh treatment for acting just normally, but because they are unattractive, people treat them more harshly and ridicule them. It must also be incredibly triggering to see all these people come out to comfort someone who is saying they have similar issues like you, but ultimately know they aren't as unattractive or maybe even extremely good-looking. Considering that Reddit seems to put these subreddits like "amiugly" or similar subreddits on the front page more frequently now, I understand how it was extremely rage-inducing for you.

Looks are important, and it's probably extremely frustrating to listen to people talk about how you should add things to your persona until you can finally reach the threshold of deserving love. Sometimes, you want somebody to just accept how you are currently without having to work like a madman for it. But when you put yourself out there time and time again, it just seems like there's really nobody. It's like society is trying to prove to you that you aren't okay the way you are. And then you vent, and nobody is listening, or worse, you go into your supposed safe space only for attractive people to co-opt your narrative and take over your space to get attention.

I admit that I was taken aback by your harsh tone. But it's not fair to tone police you on this forum, especially, although I believe we do have to have some kindness on here from time to time. Despite not being onboard with everything you say on this thread, I think your feelings are valid. I apologize again for my previous ignorant opinion, and I hope this post isn't as ignorant.

 

[Bronzehawkattack]

I'm sorry for being ignorant in my reply, and I believe that you deserve more empathy towards your issues, considering we are all suffering in some way or another.
I'm not really good-looking or in any way attractive, but if you really think you are that unattractive, I can only imagine what you go through in life. I've seen a lot of men and women receive very harsh treatment for acting just normally, but because they are unattractive, people treat them more harshly and ridicule them. It must also be incredibly triggering to see all these people come out to comfort someone who is saying they have similar issues like you, but ultimately know they aren't as unattractive or maybe even extremely good-looking. Considering that Reddit seems to put these subreddits like "amiugly" or similar subreddits on the front page more frequently now, I understand how it was extremely rage-inducing for you.

Looks are important, and it's probably extremely frustrating to listen to people talk about how you should add things to your persona until you can finally reach the threshold of deserving love. Sometimes, you want somebody to just accept how you are currently without having to work like a madman for it. But when you put yourself out there time and time again, it just seems like there's really nobody. It's like society is trying to prove to you that you aren't okay the way you are. And then you vent, and nobody is listening, or worse, you go into your supposed safe space only for attractive people to co-opt your narrative and take over your space to get attention.

I admit that I was taken aback by your harsh tone. But it's not fair to tone police you on this forum, especially, although I believe we do have to have some kindness on here from time to time. Despite not being onboard with everything you say on this thread, I think your feelings are valid. I apologize again for my previous ignorant opinion, and I hope this post isn't as ignorant.

I'm sorry, It's hard for me to not like my anger spill out into my replies when I see dismissive posts in response to mine, I see it way too often online and I feel like this is the last place I should be seeing such posts because if there's one thing we all have in common, It's that we're all dismissed for our struggles.
We come here because we can't talk about suicide and our reasons for it elsewhere, otherwise we get told "It's not that serious" or "You don't have a reason to kill yourself, just be happy" blah blah blah, so It's odd to me that if I complain about how the world treats me that users will come out the woodwork to try and belittle my reasons for suicide just because they can't personally relate or comprehend -- whilst they continue to struggle with issues most of society can't relate to or comprehend.

You'd feel the same anger, resentment and frustration if I strawmanned your entire reason to ctb. Everyone who has dismissed my reason to want to ctb would, despite how above me they act as they dismiss me.

Thank you for sympathizing with me in this reply though.
Most people won't admit that they themselves have witnessed such bullying in person, even though I can guarantee all of them have. In every social grouping I've been apart of, there's at least one or more people who are outcasted without any real reason to be outcasted, and there are people who are promoted to the "top" of the social hierarchy just from inherent qualities like facial beauty. So It's obnoxious for people to pretend these things don't happen, while often being witness to it IRL.

Yes, It's exactly like you say. Being told to add things to our persona to be capable of love, when I just want to be accepted for who I am, considering who I am is by no means a toxic person, and far worse people than me have found love. It sucks. I can cry about it all day until the cows come home, but at the end of the day nothing will change, which is why I've ended up here.

Your entire reply really surprises me, you really do get it! And you put some of how I feel into words much better than I could. Thank you for that and I'm sorry I lashed out so harshly in my previous response.

 

[vegasguy7022]

This feels like a satire post. I can't take it seriously lol

It's not

 

[stoiccactus]

There are ugly people all over the place. They even find love and have children. It sounds like you're just spending your time with too many assholes or overthinking this. But.. it's your feelings and you're certainly welcome to experience them in any way you see fit. I'm just challenging some of your assumptions that ugliness leads to misery. I don't think that's true.

The world doesn't owe you "nice treatment" whether you're good looking or not. Yeah maybe good looking people get better treatment in some cases but in the long run, even beauty fades...

 

[GasMonkey]

You can make up for ugly by being charismatic, no doubt.

You can't. Being charismatic is irrelevant when you don't reach the required looks rating.

 

[Bronzehawkattack]

You can't. Being charismatic is irrelevant when you don't reach the required looks rating.

Ugly social manipulators exist, you just aren't going to be one yourself because that requires sociopathy.
There's nothing wrong with saying personality is a factor. I think It's simultaneously foolish to think that personality isn't a factor, but also extremely foolish to think that people can exchange their personality for another.

 

[Bronzehawkattack]

It feels like everytime I try and just be me, I always come face to face with how much being ugly limits my choices in certain arenas of life, namely of love and sex, but also in the general ways attraction or repulsion causes people to great you.
People who can't relate will try and tell you that's not a reason to kill yourself, but would never, ever want to deal with being this ugly again. I dare any of you who say otherwise to voluntarily disfigure your face or something like that. You'd never.

I hate this world and I can't wait for everything to come to an end.