Trying to get the nature of this forum..about suicide or psychiatry bashing??

[Mtnwildflowers]

I came to this forum to have a resource to talk about all things suicide. Mostly what I've noticed so far is a lot of psychiatry bashing. I understand the frustration dealing with the field. I have 22 years experience being a patient. Seeing various providers, meds, TMS, inpatient, outpatient, experimental treatments, big treatments like ect, side effects (temporary and permanent). Been through it all and nothing helped, and I want to die.

But I almost want to leave this forum because of the users who reply with posts referring to "all" psychiatrists as torturers or murderers or being tortured by treatments. I don't think most of my providers had Ill will against me. They were trying to give me the tools they had to offer which honestly weren't great but what's currently available. Sure a few maybe didn't have my best interest but that's not specific to psychiatry . You can find those providers across all medical specialities. You can find doctors doing medical procedures for the money across all specialities. I see it in my career all the time. I was never promised full recovery. I get the field has some bad history. But look at the human race and you'll find that everywhere.

It's triggering in a negative way some of the responses I've seen so far. I didn't come to a forum about suicide for psychiatry bashing. Feel like that should be a different forum. Still figuring out if this is a place for me because I don't want to be triggered by the people replying hateful posts.

 

[UpandDownPrincess]

Just try to ignore them.

Many people here have had terrible experiences. Some may be making shit up or projecting their illness or hate onto their provider. I suspect some people here are struggling with undiagnosed psychoses and see their doctors as part of a conspiracy. That is their illness, not who they are.

Some folks, like me, have had both good and lousy providers. I love to talk about the psychiatrist I had in another location. He was awesome and saved my life when it was worth saving. Had I not moved, I would have stayed his patient forever. Many, many folks here have read that sentence before, so I don't post it as much as I used to.

The thing to remember is that this is a public forum and it may skew one way or another, depending on the day. For a more positive slant, you may want to visit the recovery board. It's not pro-life, per se, but a reflection of where folks are right now on their journeys.

There is a lot of information here and much of it is useful. The trick is figuring out how to take what you need and leave the rest behind, much as you would on any other site.

One day is not a lot of time to decide who we are here. I hope you'll look around a bit more before deciding there's nothing here for you.

 

[meetapple]

Most psychiatrists are intelligent. What would they gain from being torturers and murderers? They are not magicians. They are doing their best.

 

[Somber]

Let me be the (edited) not the first to welcome you to the forums.

There is a lot of angry members around that lash out at all kinds of people & institutions from suicide hotlines to psychologists. I think those threads should be labeled 'venting' or something. I understand those people need to express their frustrations somewhere, though. However some of us might want to steer around such negativity as we are dealing with our own demons.

Much (the majority) of the forums is friendlier though, so I do hope you will find what you came here for. Best of luck.

 

[Mtnwildflowers]

Just try to ignore them.

Many people here have had terrible experiences. Some may be making shit up or projecting their illness or hate onto their provider. I suspect some people here are struggling with undiagnosed psychoses and see their doctors as part of a conspiracy. That is their illness, not who they are.

Some folks, like me, have had both good and lousy providers. I love to talk about the psychiatrist I had in another location. He was awesome and saved my life when it was worth saving. Had I not moved, I would have stayed his patient forever. Many, many folks here have read that sentence before, so I don't post it as much as I used to.

The thing to remember is that this is a public forum and it may skew one way or another, depending on the day. For a more positive slant, you may want to visit the recovery board. It's not pro-life, per se, but a reflection of where folks are right now on their journeys.

There is a lot of information here and much of it is useful. The trick is figuring out how to take what you need and leave the rest behind, much as you would on any other site.

One day is not a lot of time to decide who we are here. I hope you'll look around a bit more before deciding there's nothing here for you.

Thank you for the thoughtful response. That was very insightful. You are right I shouldn't judge something after just one day! I don't want to dismiss peoples anger by any means.

Most psychiatrists are intelligent. What would they gain from being torturers and murderers? They are not magicians. They are doing there best.

I agree that most are trying their best as well! All occupations have bad seeds. In general, they are doing their best to help you with what's given to them.

Let me be the (edited) not the first to welcome you to the forums.

There is a lot of angry members around that lash out at all kinds of people & institutions from suicide hotlines to psychologists. I think those threads should be labeled 'venting' or something. I understand those people need to express their frustrations somewhere, though. However some of us might want to steer around such negativity as we are dealing with our own demons.

Much (the majority) of the forums is friendlier though, so I do hope you will find what you came here for. Best of luck.

Thank you so much for the thoughtful reply. I will give it more time for sure. I realize people project their anger on others all the time. "Full out Venting" would be a good forum haha I realize we all are venting in some way

 

[Foresight]

There is a real frustration in the community towards the "help" that's available and the general lack of truly meaningful resources.

What I can say about more vitriolic comments is that you have to remember how much hurt is here. We're connecting with people with real pain and despair. You won't always get light conversation or nuanced outlooks because a lot of people are beyond that. I see some extreme thoughts and I just think either they had some intense experiences I don't comprehend or their pain is amplifying their outlook. You're going to hear people who are at the end of their rope and their opinions will show that.

I feel for the people in the mental health field. They took on a tall order and many flounder. A therapist can only do so much.

If you need a community that will hear your story and your pain, and provide a boost on your hard days with little judgement then you're in the right place. If you're not looking to read opinions from a counterculture with people who have had it with the system then it might not be the place.

Edit: I read through your topic and it seems it was a pretty civil and informative discussion? I don't know. You're very welcome here.

 

[Mtnwildflowers]

There is a real frustration in the community towards the "help" that's available and the general lack of truly meaningful resources.

What I can say about more vitriolic comments is that you have to remember how much hurt is here. We're connecting with people with real pain and despair. You won't always get light conversation or nuanced outlooks because a lot of people are beyond that. I see some extreme thoughts and I just think either they had some intense experiences I don't comprehend or their pain is amplifying their outlook. You're going to hear people who are at the end of their rope and their opinions will show that.

I feel for the people in the mental health field. They took on a tall order and many flounder. A therapist can only do so much.

If you need a community that will hear your story and your pain, and provide a boost on your hard days with little judgement then you're in the right place. If you're not looking to read opinions from a counterculture with people who have had it with the system then it might not be the place.

Edit: I read through your topic and it seems it was a pretty civil and informative discussion? I don't know. You're very welcome here.

Hey I'm at the end of my rope here too or I wouldn't be here. That doesn't mean I lash out and blame others for my pain. My pain is my responsibility. A conversation about a suicide method in my post turned into bashing psychiatrists and various treatments that people have negative views on. I'm not saying those things shouldn't be put out there for discussion but that wasn't the topic. And I'm talking about many posts I've read. Not just mine

 

[settheory]

Well, that's just your personal experience. It might genuinely help. It might be much different for other people. It can harm too, a lot. And, whenever people bash psychiatry here, most hate goes toward FORCED psychiatry, and justifiably so. It's actually cruel and immoral. Rarely when people are forced to undergo psychiatric treatment "for their own good" actually feel better. For many it's like torture. Many would rather go to prison than to a psych ward.
But sometimes not even voluntary treatment goes well. Some people wasted their money on abusive therapists and are justifiably upset about it. Not trying to bash psychiatry and psychology as a whole, just saing that the psych industry is not fully clean and innocent.

 

[Mtnwildflowers]

Well, that's just your personal experience. It might genuinely help. It might be much different for other people. It can harm too, a lot. And, whenever people bash psychiatry here, most hate goes toward FORCED psychiatry, and justifiably so. It's actually cruel and immoral. Rarely when people are forced to undergo psychiatric treatment "for their own good" actually feel better. For many it's like torture. Many would rather go to prison than to a psych ward.
But sometimes not even voluntary treatment goes well. Some people wasted their money on abusive therapists and are justifiably upset about it. Not trying to bash psychiatry and psychology as a whole, just saing that the psych industry is not fully clean and innocent.

Forced treatments don't just involve psych treatments. That how a lot of medicine works. I see it all the time. People can't make their own decisions and we decide on treatments and surgeries for them. Does it always make them better? Absolutely not. Does the person in a car accident who is now quadriplegic but unable to come out of a coma to make decisions and has no decision maker get to decide on if they want to live or have people treat them and they get to live his/her life as a quad with minimal function? No.

I don't know what these individual "forced" situations consisted of but if they are people deemed incompetent and treated, that's not unique to psych. That's all across medicine. Not saying that makes it right but sometimes unique situations end up with medical people having to make huge decisions for people they barely know.

 

[Samsal112]

The hatred towards the profession can be because they are perceived as pro-life. A lot of therapists and psychiatrists push drugs and treatment because they themselves do not suffer from a mental illness. If they don't understand the thinking process, then they are more prone to believe that this way of thinking and feeling can be improved with drugs, diet, and mind exercises. Most people on this site have found out that there are different levels of depression and mental illnesses. Some people deal with apathy, others with complete nihilism, and others with circumstantial depression. After seeing a therapist and psychiatrist, I really believe that not everyone can be helped. But, I was urged to take some heavy duty drugs that have left permanent damage. I wasn't suicidal before treatment but I sure as hell am now. I was promised that no harm would come to me from the drugs, but then I realized that my doctors didn't know anything about the drugs other than what the drug company told them. I am even more mad because as a teacher who can not do much damage is placed with higher responsibility than a doctor giving out surgeries and drugs. I have to make sure to understand how the mind of an adolescent learns, I have to make sure to be patient and watch my words so as to not cause trauma to a student, and I have to know everything about the subjects I teach. My psych, who has a PhD, didn't even know anything about the drugs he gave me! Because of him, I may not get MY PhD; he should give me his since he isn't using it properly. Psychiatry left me with permanent nerve and brain damage and PTSD. I am sure it has done the same to other members. Now, you're right; the whole profession isn't like that. But, this site is for venting and/or recovery. If I decide to not end my life then I know I will need to deal with my trauma and PTSD from what has happened and that requires venting. Trust me, there is catharsis from venting and having others say that they experienced it to.

 

[Snake of Eden]

Just because somebody is caught in the middle of a suicidal act or been reported to be actively suicidal does not (should not) automatically result in them being considered unfit to decide for themselves. Being in unconscious state is a different matter to when it comes to making decisions on the behalf of the injured. People have valid reasons to vent their frustrations and experiences with the medical system as a whole and psychiatry specifically as there is not enough willingness and humility going around from professionals to admit that there are significant number of cases that can not be helped and it is the fault of the medical system to espouse such a vanity and instead opt to blame the patient for their inability to get well which is outright false and harmful as it gaslights the person into thinking they are not willing or doing enough to get better. The problem is systemic and global and people are allowed to convey their experiences however they like see fit. There is no point in arguing that psychiatry and medical field should be spared from criticism. It is great to know that some people are being helped by it and that not everyone experience is a negative one but there is no benefit to criticizing the act of speaking up especially when the issues that people vent about are consistently similar and points to a mind set that is embedded in the professionals that represent the medical field. No one is calling to throw out psychiatry all together even if you ask me it is not such an injustice to say they are doing more harm than good as evident by many reports of permanent side effects of the medical interventions that they prescribe but that is still in the realm of maybe until there is serious willingness to re-evaluate psychiatry as a whole.

 

[settheory]

Forced treatments don't just involve psych treatments. That how a lot of medicine works. I see it all the time. People can't make their own decisions and we decide on treatments and surgeries for them. Does it always make them better? Absolutely not. Does the person in a car accident who is now quadriplegic but unable to come out of a coma to make decisions and has no decision maker get to decide on if they want to live or have people treat them and they get to live his/her life as a quad with minimal function? No.

I don't know what these individual "forced" situations consisted of but if they are people deemed incompetent and treated, that's not unique to psych. That's all across medicine. Not saying that makes it right but sometimes unique situations end up with medical people having to make huge decisions for people they barely know.

I was talking about treatmets people receive against their will. The treatment of a quadriplegic person in a coma is, arguably, not against their will, because by usually people would, if asked hypothetically whether they would want to be treated if they ended up in such a situation, would want to be treated. But a person might even directly say, before the incident, that if they ever ended up in such situation, they would not want to be treated. Arguably, such wish should be respected.
Hypothetically, we may even come up with some sort of list, where people could register and if they do, they would be refused their treatment literally by their own will. They could also erase themselves from that no-treatment list, thus voluntarily consenting to treatment again.
Both psychiatric and physical treatment actually have an excessive number of forced treatments. It mostly has something to do desire to die. People are being treated against their will instead of just left to die like they want to, like terminally ill and suicidal people.
One can give examples from the past of forced treatment, like "treatment" of homosexuality, hysteria, and whatever was often treated by lobotomy. And political suppression of dissent that happened and happens right now in many countries.
Even assuming there are situations in which forced treatment would help, in practice, it should be outlawed. Because even if there are such cases, we would not know is that is the one or just a societal superstition and the majority is the one who is really "incompetent". And again, it can be easily used for political suppression. Even distressing mental states should not be treated against a person's direct will. Some treatment that many institutions force might harm even more, among other reasons.
There are actually people on the forum who underwent or undergoing a forced treatment because of their desire to die. And threads about it.
This whole conversation will probably just reduce to morality of euthanasia (passive and active) and right to die in general. Seems like the thread was not about right originally, but in essence, it is now. Right to die is something that I don't want to argue about right now.

 

[Mtnwildflowers]

The hatred towards the profession can be because they are perceived as pro-life. A lot of therapists and psychiatrists push drugs and treatment because they themselves do not suffer from a mental illness. If they don't understand the thinking process, then they are more prone to believe that this way of thinking and feeling can be improved with drugs, diet, and mind exercises. Most people on this site have found out that there are different levels of depression and mental illnesses. Some people deal with apathy, others with complete nihilism, and others with circumstantial depression. After seeing a therapist and psychiatrist, I really believe that not everyone can be helped. But, I was urged to take some heavy duty drugs that have left permanent damage. I wasn't suicidal before treatment but I sure as hell am now. I was promised that no harm would come to me from the drugs, but then I realized that my doctors didn't know anything about the drugs other than what the drug company told them. I am even more mad because as a teacher who can not do much damage is placed with higher responsibility than a doctor giving out surgeries and drugs. I have to make sure to understand how the mind of an adolescent learns, I have to make sure to be patient and watch my words so as to not cause trauma to a student, and I have to know everything about the subjects I teach. My psych, who has a PhD, didn't even know anything about the drugs he gave me! Because of him, I may not get MY PhD; he should give me his since he isn't using it properly. Psychiatry left me with permanent nerve and brain damage and PTSD. I am sure it has done the same to other members. Now, you're right; the whole profession isn't like that. But, this site is for venting and/or recovery. If I decide to not end my life then I know I will need to deal with my trauma and PTSD from what has happened and that requires venting. Trust me, there is catharsis from venting and having others say that they experienced it to.

I think what's most interesting is you were "promised no harm". if someone really did that, you should have questioned them right there. There are no Medications or interventions like ect for example in psych that will cause no harm. There will be some side effects of varying degree. That's an obvious lie from the beginning from that individual, and I would have said no and asked others if possible . I have permanent brain damage from ect as well . So you are preaching to the choir about life changing effects. I have memory and cognitive deficits that are permanent. Permanent Tardive dyskinesia. You name it I probably had or have the side effect. But I signed informed consent for my treatment and have to take responsibility for that. I signed up for my side effects because the alternative was shooting myself in the head. I understand people who didn't research treatments ahead of time or understand their consents or even as some people claim on here were "forced" into treatments. That's frustrating. We are all frustrated. But I take responsibility for the treatment choices I've made

 

[Samsal112]

I think what's most interesting is you were "promised no harm". if someone really did that, you should have questioned them right there. There are no Medications or interventions like ect for example in psych that will cause no harm. There will be some side effects of varying degree. That's an obvious lie from the beginning from that individual, and I would have said no and asked others if possible . I have permanent brain damage from ect as well . So you are preaching to the choir about life changing effects. I have memory and cognitive deficits that are permanent. Permanent Tardive dyskinesia. You name it I probably had or have the side effect. But I signed informed consent for my treatment and have to take responsibility for that. I signed up for my side effects because the alternative was shooting myself in the head. I understand people who didn't research treatments ahead of time or understand their consents or even as some people claim on here were "forced" into treatments. That's frustrating. We are all frustrated. But I take responsibility for the treatment choices I've made

Well, I wasn't aware that medication didn't come with harm and that is why I am upset. I wasn't suicidal. I have childhood trauma and figured that therapy would be beneficial and healthy. I was a middle school teacher getting a PhD, no wonder I was stressed. I am upset because I didn't sign a consent form, and a lot of people hurt by drugs are advocating that consent forms and more training for psychs be mandated. I didn't sign up to be a guinea pig, and to be honest, I do not blame myself for not consulting Google first. I wasn't the professional or expert. But, even afterward, when I Googled, all the meds I was put on had great reviews. There are patients who swear by benzos and and get angry when anyone says anything but good things. It took me about three months before I was able to find benzo withdrawal information. I am sorry that you are also affected. But, venting over experiences just doesn't seem like a toxic forum to me. If someone is here, they are desperate, and I say let them vent and question as much as they want to. If someone here vented about teachers, I wouldn't be upset. Feelings here are validated and I like that about this place. I was a part of Benzobuddies and we weren't allowed to "bash" or question psychiatrists or doctors, and I found that very frustrating.

 

[lostautist]

I have always been critical of forced treatment and the practice, especially in regards to friend's treatment in the 80's and 90's. I have not singled out or attacked any practitioners, they have a tough job. I'm in favor of modern diagnostics and treatments. People I know seem to be getting much better treatment now. Over the years I've had plenty of friends, SO relationships and their family members who had been institutionalized and forced into treatment or who had mostly bad experiences with voluntary services and some are no longer here. This is a good and unique forum. Pick and choose how you wish to interact. It's supposed to be a safe space for everyone and their opinions and sometimes you'll see something you won't agree with. I just close that tab and move onto a discussion where I can interact.

 

[Mtnwildflowers]

I was talking about treatmets people receive against their will. The treatment of a quadriplegic person in a coma is, arguably, not against their will, because by usually people would, if asked hypothetically whether they would want to be treated if they ended up in such a situation, would want to be treated. But a person might even directly say, before the incident, that if they ever ended up in such situation, they would not want to be treated. Arguably, such wish should be respected.
Hypothetically, we may even come up with some sort of list, where people could register and if they do, they would be refused their treatment literally by their own will. They could also erase themselves from that no-treatment list, thus voluntarily consenting to treatment again.
Both psychiatric and physical treatment actually have an excessive number of forced treatments. It mostly has something to do desire to die. People are being treated against their will instead of just left to die like they want to, like terminally ill and suicidal people.
One can give examples from the past of forced treatment, like "treatment" of homosexuality, hysteria, and whatever was often treated by lobotomy. And political suppression of dissent that happened and happens right now in many countries.
Even assuming there are situations in which forced treatment would help, in practice, it should be outlawed. Because even if there are such cases, we would not know is that is the one or just a societal superstition and the majority is the one who is really "incompetent". And again, it can be easily used for political suppression. Even distressing mental states should not be treated against a person's direct will. Some treatment that many institutions force might harm even more, among other reasons.
There are actually people on the forum who underwent or undergoing a forced treatment because of their desire to die. And threads about it.
This whole conversation will probably just reduce to morality of euthanasia (passive and active) and right to die in general. Seems like the thread was not about right originally, but in essence, it is now. Right to die is something that I don't want to argue about right now.

Have you actually talked to people in these situations? I spent years working in an intensive care unit. Do you know how many of these people asked me to kill them because of their situations once they realized they were going to live life in dire situations like being a quad dependent on others or other severe life changing injuries? Medical professionals keep them alive, and when they actually come around to be able to make decisions, often they despise medical people for keeping them alive. People often don't give their wishes on these things in advance and often have no family or friends to give input. Medical people have to just keep them alive

 

[settheory]

Have you actually talked to people in these situations? I spent years working in an intensive care unit. Do you know how many of these people asked me to kill them because of their situations once they realized they were going to live life in dire situations like being a quad dependent on others or other severe life changing injuries? Medical professionals keep them alive, and when they actually come around to be able to make decisions, often they despise medical people for keeping them alive. People often don't give their wishes on these things in advance and often have no family or friends to give input. Medical people have to just keep them alive

Gosh, an actual pro-lifer here. Just as I predicted, it turned into a debate about right to die.
Those patients should be allowed to die.
And i didn't talk literally about people asking other people . I just wanted to prove a point why in particular cases when a person physically cannot express consent or refusal treatment would not be actually involuntary most of the time.
Like i said, i posted in this thread not to argue about right to die.
Edit: ignore this, it was just miscommunication

 

[Mtnwildflowers]

Well, I wasn't aware that medication didn't come with harm and that is why I am upset. I wasn't suicidal. I have childhood trauma and figured that therapy would be beneficial and healthy. I was a middle school teacher getting a PhD, no wonder I was stressed. I am upset because I didn't sign a consent form, and a lot of people hurt by drugs are advocating that consent forms and more training for psychs be mandated. I didn't sign up to be a guinea pig, and to be honest, I do not blame myself for not consulting Google first. I wasn't the professional or expert. But, even afterward, when I Googled, all the meds I was put on had great reviews. There are patients who swear by benzos and and get angry when anyone says anything but good things. It took me about three months before I was able to find benzo withdrawal information. I am sorry that you are also affected. But, venting over experiences just doesn't seem like a toxic forum to me. If someone is here, they are desperate, and I say let them vent and question as much as they want to. If someone here vented about teachers, I wouldn't be upset. Feelings here are validated and I like that about this place. I was a part of Benzobuddies and we weren't allowed to "bash" or question psychiatrists or doctors, and I found that very frustrating.

Yes your story is very interesting because I have no idea why someone would tell you benzos have no harm. They are meant for short term use only. Benzos have all the same serious withdrawal effects as alcohol like seizures. Super serious medication. It's why most other areas of the hospital outside of psych are so stingy with them. Also why they are a controlled substance. I can't believe someone didn't explain all these things to you as basic benzo education which would be your "consent" . That's horrible. I think my original post was that I was having a hard time with people calling psychiatrists murderers and torturers. Things of that nature. You absolutely should be able to question doctors and treatments especially in advance from when you see them or try the treatment . I think I was looking for more information on suicide not psychiatry was all i meant. You absolutely should be able to vent, but I thought this forum was more about people ready to commit suicide. I see how venting may give a prevention aspect, but I didn't think that's what this forum was about so maybe I'm wrong.

Again so sorry about your situation and I hope no offense was made my apologies if so

 

[OrcWitch]

I probably at times have been too harsh or radical in the way I feel. I just had pretty bad experiences with being in a mental hospital, one aspect seemed like it could have been illegal. But I've had night and day experiences with the professionals themselves.

I have a long way too go but more and more I'm trying to hate bad ideas and bad systems, not individual people. Easier said than done. I've been trying to not be so misanthropic.

 

[Mtnwildflowers]

Gosh, an actual pro-lifer here. Just as I predicted, it turned into a debate about right to die.
Those patients should be allowed to die.
And i didn't talk literally about people asking other people . I just wanted to prove a point why in particular cases when a person physically cannot express consent or refusal treatment would not be actually involuntary most of the time.
Like i said, i posted in this thread not to argue about right to die.

I didn't say I didn't want to help them and give them their wish! Of course I wanted to help them considering my situation. I'd lose my license and get charged with murder. Why are you making assumptions? You know nothing about me

 

[settheory]

I didn't say I didn't want to help them and give them their wish! I'd lose my license and get charged with murder. Why are you making assumptions?

Ok ok i get it, but i didn't tell you to go against the law and just kill them. I just want to say that euthanasia should be legal and stuff. I just read "have to" as if you think it's a moral imperative, not a just law. Of course they have to keep them alive by law. Some miscommunication here, my bad.

 

[Snake of Eden]

I didn't say I didn't want to help them and give them their wish! Of course I wanted to help them considering my situation. I'd lose my license and get charged with murder. Why are you making assumptions? You know nothing about me

Pardon me for a second. First you claimed to be a patient of psychiatry. That changed into speaking as a health care provider. What is your intention exactly of joining this forum?

 

[Mtnwildflowers]

Pardon me for a second. First you claimed to be a patient of psychiatry. That changed into speaking as a health care provider. What is your intention exactly of joining this forum?

Finding another method of committing suicide beside shooting myself in the head. Ideal would be take a substance and fall asleep peacefully. Can you direct me toward that?

Can you not accept that I'm both and that gives me unique views?

 

[Snake of Eden]

Finding another method of committing suicide beside shooting myself in the head. Ideal would be take a substance and fall asleep peacefully. Can you direct me toward that?

Can you not accept that I'm both and that gives me unique views?

You are free to roam and find the information that you find useful.

 

[Mtnwildflowers]

Ok ok i get it, but i didn't tell you to go against the law and just kill them. I just want to say that euthanasia should be legal and stuff. I just read "have to" as if you think it's a moral imperative, not a just law. Of course they have to keep them alive by law. Some miscommunication here, my bad.

I do in terms of my job but that doesnt me a it's what I believe. I'm all about psychiatric euthanasia. Read my other post. That's exactly what I want in the us. Sorry if there was miscommunication. I have unique views from both sides

 

[Foresight]

The fact that forced treatment is found in other parts of medicine doesn't negate criticism of the practice within psychiatric medicine. You're not comparing apples to apples when you say someone in a coma was kept alive versus someone who wants to commit suicide has their rights taken away by the state and is institutionalized. If anything, you're supportive that forced treatments are often damaging. People are making clear here that there are circumstances of personal violation unique to mental health services, and there are many other issues in mental health services that are completely unrelated to the rest of medicine.

I was medicated for many years in my youth and hands down I know many doctors are not straightforward about side effects and potentially life altering long-term damage. I worked in pharmacy for many years and I know medical professionals are generally dismissive of side effect concerns. So we need to become doctors to be patients and know all the potential harm that could happen? They need to be held accountable. Medical professionals need to take responsibility for patient outcomes. It's part of their duty. They deserve valid criticism. If they gave proper warning and the patient consented that is one thing, if they were dismissive or even forceful with their approach then that can be a problem.

I don't think you're pro-life. You seem to have stated you support assisted suicide for the mentally ill. You are sensitive to criticism against the healthcare profession. Maybe that bias comes from your time working in healthcare.

 

[Mtnwildflowers]

Ok ok i get it, but i didn't tell you to go against the law and just kill them. I just want to say that euthanasia should be legal and stuff. I just read "have to" as if you think it's a moral imperative, not a just law. Of course they have to keep them alive by law. Some miscommunication here, my bad.

I do in terms of my job but that doesnt me a it's what I believe. I'm all about psychiatric euthanasia. Read my other post. That's exactly what I want in the us. Sorry if there was miscommunication. I have unique views from both

You are free to roam and find the information that you find useful.

are health care providers not allowed to want to commit suicide or what was your point in bringing up that I'm a health care provider?

 

[Snake of Eden]

are health care providers not allowed to want to commit suicide or what was your point in bringing up that I'm a health care provider?

As I said you are free to seek the information you find useful. We do not tolerate anti-choice rhetoric here. Your propensity to be pro psychiatry is odd. add to that you only disclosed being a health care professional later which sounded suspicious thats all.

 

[Samsal112]

Yes your story is very interesting because I have no idea why someone would tell you benzos have no harm. They are meant for short term use only. Benzos have all the same serious withdrawal effects as alcohol like seizures. Super serious medication. It's why most other areas of the hospital outside of psych are so stingy with them. Also why they are a controlled substance. I can't believe someone didn't explain all these things to you as basic benzo education which would be your "consent" . That's horrible. I think my original post was that I was having a hard time with people calling psychiatrists murderers and torturers. Things of that nature. You absolutely should be able to question doctors and treatments especially in advance from when you see them or try the treatment . I think I was looking for more information on suicide not psychiatry was all i meant. You absolutely should be able to vent, but I thought this forum was more about people ready to commit suicide. I see how venting may give a prevention aspect, but I didn't think that's what this forum was about so maybe I'm wrong.

Again so sorry about your situation and I hope no offense was made my apologies if so

You don't need to apologize. I have learned in my short time here that we learn from each other and get different perspectives from having these discussions. You're probably confused of the forum because of the way this place is perceived in the media. When I came, I was under the same impression as you. I thought I would only see posts of people ready to go and how to go. But, it's a really loving community here. Some people want to recover or are not ready to go yet. Here, people can vent about how life has done them wrong, people can ask questions about religion and the afterlife, and a lot of the members here have become really close friends. If you want, you could start a thread about people who do not hate the field of psychiatry and have a discussion with like minded people. I do not hate the field, per say, but I do think it needs to be revisited in how doctors operate. Two doctors' mistakes have ruined my life...

 

[noaccount]

I came to this forum to have a resource to talk about all things suicide. Mostly what I've noticed so far is a lot of psychiatry bashing. I understand the frustration dealing with the field. I have 22 years experience being a patient. Seeing various providers, meds, TMS, inpatient, outpatient, experimental treatments, big treatments like ect, side effects (temporary and permanent). Been through it all and nothing helped, and I want to die.

But I almost want to leave this forum because of the users who reply with posts referring to "all" psychiatrists as torturers or murderers or being tortured by treatments. I don't think most of my providers had Ill will against me. They were trying to give me the tools they had to offer which honestly weren't great but what's currently available. Sure a few maybe didn't have my best interest but that's not specific to psychiatry . You can find those providers across all medical specialities. You can find doctors doing medical procedures for the money across all specialities. I see it in my career all the time. I was never promised full recovery. I get the field has some bad history. But look at the human race and you'll find that everywhere.

It's triggering in a negative way some of the responses I've seen so far. I didn't come to a forum about suicide for psychiatry bashing. Feel like that should be a different forum. Still figuring out if this is a place for me because I don't want to be triggered by the people replying hateful posts.

HI @westie22 ! I believe you are referencing my words here - and, wrongly! Again, you are misconstruing my statements, badly.

What I did was cite the existence of torture and murder of disabled people by psychiatrists - and, per your request, provided many examples of the kind of torture you described, here. Did you get a chance to read over my examples that you requested yet?

Just try to ignore them.

Many people here have had terrible experiences. Some may be making shit up or projecting their illness or hate onto their provider. I suspect some people here are struggling with undiagnosed psychoses and see their doctors as part of a conspiracy. That is their illness, not who they are.

Some folks, like me, have had both good and lousy providers. I love to talk about the psychiatrist I had in another location. He was awesome and saved my life when it was worth saving. Had I not moved, I would have stayed his patient forever. Many, many folks here have read that sentence before, so I don't post it as much as I used to.

The thing to remember is that this is a public forum and it may skew one way or another, depending on the day. For a more positive slant, you may want to visit the recovery board. It's not pro-life, per se, but a reflection of where folks are right now on their journeys.

There is a lot of information here and much of it is useful. The trick is figuring out how to take what you need and leave the rest behind, much as you would on any other site.

One day is not a lot of time to decide who we are here. I hope you'll look around a bit more before deciding there's nothing here for you.

@UpandDownPrincess , why do you feel that this should be ignored? I do want you to know that a good many of us, do not agree to have some of our beliefs SEPARATED from our PERSONHOOD and called "just a symptom" and "not who we are," as this is highly dismissive.

@meetapple - Many, many people who are doing what they believe to be "their best", are being extremely violent and harmful to many of the people they "treat." This is a pro-choice space where it's important to warn people about situations where they may be forced into things and their right-to-choose may not be respected. And, important to honor the trauma and survival of the many users here who have gone through this violence, from professionals who believed it was "best for them."