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When I was a teenager, I used to love to take Tramadol occasionally. I loved it so much that my enthusiasm was recognized by my GP who gave me a nice F11 diagnosis. In my late twenties/early thirties, I was taking Methadone regularly for about 3 years. I weaned it off very slowly, and I have been clean since Oct 2016.

Two months ago, I bought 3 boxes of Tramadol which lasted for quite a while (I have 6 pills left). I took it on weekends mostly, I would take 7-8 pills and then extra 4-5 when I was peaking (1.5 - 2 hours after taking the initial dose). That coincided with me feeling better/more motivated in life in general. While life felt like painful drudgery in the previous year, Tramadol really helped to change that outlook.

RecentlyI found out that my dealer is having problems dispatching it to my country due to fucking Covid measures (a different topic altogether that I do not want to delve into here), so now I am panicking.

I do not want to order it from the dark web, and I am not sure if there is a way for me to get it prescribed. I have started taking it for back pain from time to time (1-2 pills), since my shoulders and neck are really hurting very often. I could try to get it without prescription in one of the neighboring countries, but I cannot cross the border (fucking Covid again).

I was thinking of getting Kratom, but it is very pricey (125$ for 25 pills).

I am rambling, but the point of this thread is to ask people with more medical knowledge than I have about this:

I have been of the opinion that it is practically impossible for former addicts to function normally without an occasional dopamine boost that abuse of opioids brings. Is there any truth in this claim or am I engaging in magical thinking? @Aap You seem the most qualified to answer this question, so I am tagging you.

I have tried taking L Tyrosine to balance out my neurotransmitters, but it tends to give me headaches, so I avoid it most of the time.

Taking Tramadol made a positive difference for me, and even though I relapsed after 4 years of being opioid-free, I do not see that as a failure since it helped making my life more bearable. I want to have an option to take it occasionally, that is all.

What is the best course of action I can take?
Btw my therapist does not know about Tramadol, pot or the fact I was an addict. I saw her only 3 times - once in May, when I gave up on pursuing therapy, and twice in the last week or so. She told me I was severely depressed in May but that right now I seem almost hypomanic (something I noticed myself). I am of the opinion that hypomania might be drug-induced, something she does not know about.

To make matters worse, I am going through unbelievable stress at work. My boss did not want to allow me to work from home for a few weeks and I told her I will get a sick leave. The reason I wanted to work from home was the fear for my father's health - he barely survived his heart operation last Summer and my boss is very irresponsible and stupid - she forced the cleaner to come to work even though she had Covid symptoms, afterwards more than half of my coworkers got infected. If my father got infected, I am sure he would not survive it, and if he ended up in the hospital on a respirator or something, I would literally murder my boss and call the police afterwards or just ctb tbh.

My GP has retired in the meantime and I found a new doctor. I came to her with my shrink's medical opinion and recommendation that I take 1-2 months of sick leave. The GP did not want to give that to me and told me to look for another doctor. I found one, but then I found out that I cannot change my doctor for a year, per some dumb regulation. I had to appeal that decision and now I am waiting for some comittee to meet up and decide on it, which might happen in 6 months for all I know. I went back to my GP and told her that I have the right to get medical help but she still does not want to take me as a patient. I reported her to the Ministry of Health. I have not been going to work lately (I asked for days off due to moving and I made excuses such as having explosive diarrhea lol that prevented me from coming to work), but this cannot go on forever. I am actively looking for a new job and I would be ecstatic if I got fired from my old job cause then I could sue my boss, if she skipped some required step in the procedure of firing me. I have another job and some money saved, so I am not concerned about the money. I just cannot bear the thought of returning to work and it is so fucking frustrating that I could be on a sick leave now, if it weren't for my bitch doctor. That is, I could be working from home and notneed a sick leave at all if my boss wasn't into power games. I called her out for being insensitive in our Viber group, before that I told her about the stress and paranoia I am experiencing but she would not budge. Last time I was at work, I yelled really hard at her and told her I cannot stay at work because I feared what I might do. Honestly, I think I would have assaulted her physically if I stayed. I hate her that much. I reported her to a higher professional authority/inspection for employing unqualified people (her friends and family) and for mobbing. One guy she employed got fired (she did not hire a qualified professional who applied for the job, but gave the job to an unqualified dweeb), so I am beginning to see justice. Just needed to vent. My point is that the system is so fucking corrupt and even though I said I feel like I might be dangerous for myself and others to a fucking medical professional, she refuses to grant me a sick leave, against the recommendations of my shrink. It is almost as they want to drive me to do something violent. Just to note, I had one sick leave in my 7-year long career, I took 2 days off while I was in fever and had temperature of 40 C a few years ago. So I definitely did not ask for a sick leave now because I am "lazy" or something. It is just that my work conditions became unbearable.

I have started to joke with my parents about burning my place of work down. I tell them: "Tomorrow morning, I am going to the gas station to get some gasoline, then I am going to my doctor, then to work, and you guys just watch the news at 12 if you want to see how it went." I am joking about it, but what scares me the most is the fact I know I would be capable of doing it. For seven years I have felt bad about working there and the job is making me suicidal. I work what I have been trained to work and the salary is decent, but I work in a village that is far from my town (I make 900 kilometers a month), with really dumb people. The boss acts distrustful and difficult towards anyone who gets a job there, and lives outside that village. I saw her do that to people who stated working after me, so it is not all in my head and it is not personally directed against me. I will not take any more of it. I can hardly remember the person I was when I started working there - full of enthusiasm and good ideas, which all got slowly suffocated or torn down by my criminally incompetent boss. I am taking my life back.

I have been making progress at my other job and I am aiming for getting full time there, which probably won't happen in another year or so. Tbh the only things keeping me alive are the desire to get justice and the fear of hurting my father if I died. My mom and sister have been acting like cold bitches towards me for most of my life so the thought of them getting hurt by my death makes me joyful. Last time I talked to my sister was when TripleA died. Her response was that I am to blame for his death because I did not call for help (I knew only his first name and the general area he lived in). I was so upset about that that I almost ctb'd impulsively that day, Dec 16th. She is upset at my parents for really dumb reasons and did not even wish them a Merry Christmas. If I knew my death would irreparably harm her, I would do it right now, but considering she is a heartless bitch, she'd probably be over it in a few days. Her husband texted me the other day saying she bought a house-warming present for me (even though we do not talk to each other). I felt like ctb-ing when I heard that.

Thankfully, I am taking the keys of my new apartment today and soon I will control when I see my parents, and hopefully I will stop daydreaming about death and carnage. I am now going to be in debt for 17 years so it is not the right time to quit my job, but I told my boss that I would rather starve in the streets than to take this shit anymore and I am serious about that. Wish me luck guys, I need all the luck I can get.

If the circumstances I am facing force me to die, I will do it with a smile on my face, as a last FUCK YOU to the system. I will definitely utilize my death in the most efficient way and draw attention to things people need to start talking about. Defeat Never, Victory Forever.
Just to add. If I am forced to die, I will do it in order to escape the life conditions that are making it very difficult for me to have my sense of dignity intact. That is a legitimate reason, imo. Many people have legitimate reasons to die. Some people from this site that have died, did it without having a valid/objective reason for it, though.

Ecmnesia was 21, went to Med school, had financial support of her parents etc. She died because her parents were emotionally abusive, as far as I remember. My parents are emotionally abusive towards me since early childhood and I never considered that a valid reason to ctb. I really wish the worst to happen to people who encouraged ecmnesia to "be autonomous and ctb". Fucking snakes. I hope you burn in hell.
 
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i did buy mine here. they should deliver to your country.

i am pretty new to kratom. my second day today but i am happy with the quality of the kratoms. it feels pretty good.

not as cheap as @Sensei mentioned but 100 grams are in the 50 to 70 euro region.
Thank you so much. :happy: Keep me updated about your experiences with it.
Btw how do you ingest it? Which one should I get, there are different kinds? How much of it do you take?
 
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Thank you so much. :happy: Keep me updated about your experiences with it.
Btw how do you ingest it? Which one should I get, there are different kinds? How much of it do you take?

i took yesterday bali (described as mostly energizing) and today maeng da (very euphoric and energizing).

i must say i don't notice much difference. maeng da seems to make me a bit fresher than bali. but both make me very relaxed and take off my inner pressure which is very high. i also feel a bit more focused. but the relaxing effect - not always judging everything i do - makes it really good cause this pressure to always make everything right mostly doesn't let me do anything. so with kratom i feel definitely more centered at the moment.

i started for now with 2 grams which is low. maybe also dependent on body weight. but for me (about 70 to 75 kilos) the 2 grams have a nice impact. but my information of dosages is based on @Sensei which seems to be the kratom guru here. he told me that 3-5 grams are a normal dose.
and too high doses seem lead to nausea and vomiting.

don't know if you did read already his guide to herbs.
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/a-guide-to-herbs.39433/

i ingest it with milk. i just put the kratom in a glass of milk and stir it. cause i am lazy i use cold milk so the kratom clusters a lot but i don't care. maybe with warm milk it would dissolve a bit better.
also in terms of taste many seem to find it bitter but i find the taste not that bad. seems chewing a lot of hash in my younger times made me pretty tolerant to tastes like this ^^
what i also do that i ingest it on an empty stomach and eat afterwards something. this also worked with cbd better for me.

about the kind of kratoms. @Sensei did yesterday write in the sanctuary lounge that red kratom is more sedating, white is more stimulating and green is a mix of both.

i guess it's a bit of trial and error what fits you best. i ordered five sorts and look what works best for me.

hope that gives you a first overview. :)
 
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@DocNo I am really thankful for your input. I think I will order some today. :)
 
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@DocNo I am really thankful for your input. I think I will order some today. :)

one thing which i forgot.
if you take any meds you maybe should look if it would be a problem and has a negative effect.
for me it's no issue cause i don't take any meds (except otc painkillers).
 
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one thing which i forgot.
if you take any meds you maybe should look if it would be a problem and have a negative effect.
for me it's no issue cause i don't take any meds (except otc painkillers).
I am not on any meds and franky I would rather shoot up heroin in a dark alley, exposed to rain and snow, than get back on SSRI's or benzos. I have been SSRI and benzo free for 8 years.
 
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I'd like to add that you should only take low doses, as there are people who claim that it can be addictive at high doses. I used kratom on a daily basis for half a year without getting addicted, but I never took higher doses than 5 grams. Today, I only take 1.5-2 grams a time and it works for me.
 
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I am not on any meds and franky I would rather shoot up heroin in a dark alley, exposed to rain and snow, than go get back on SSRI's or benzos. I have been SSRI and benzo free for 8 years.

thanx for the laugh :D

despite struggling with depression and anxiety for over 20 years i never got on any meds. just tried to battle myself through somehow. meds seem to help some people but also seem to be pretty harmful for others. sounds a bit like a gamble which i never wanted to risk.
 
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thanx for the laugh :D

despite struggling with depression and anxiety for over 20 years i never got on any meds. just tried to battle myself through somehow. meds seem to help some people but also seem to be pretty harmful for others. sounds a bit like a gamble which i never wanted to risk.
I was on meds in 2008. and 2012., for about a year both times. Never again.

Thanks btw. If I lacked the ability to see the humor in my piss-poor life circumstances, I would be worm food by now.
 
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I was on meds in 2008. and 2012., for about a year both times. Never again.

Thanks btw. If I lacked the ability to see the humor in my piss-poor life circumstances, I would be worm food by now.

the scenario you described what you would do before you would take SSRI or benzos again was very pictorial and i found it funny.

but i guess in general sometimes our lives maybe look a bit funnier from the outside than we see it ourselves.
i at least wish i could take my situation sometimes not that serious and laugh about it and get a more "fuck it" approach.
 
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the scenario you described what you would do before you would take SSRI or benzos again was very pictorial and i found it funny.

but i guess in general sometimes our lives maybe look a bit funnier from the outside than we see it ourselves.
i at least wish i could take my situation sometimes not that serious and laugh about it and get a more "fuck it" approach.
Kratom might help with that, lol. I lived with unbearable anxiety and suicidal depression 24/7 for more than a year, yet I refused to take meds. My shrink is puzzled by that, but I do not expect her to understand. I know for a fact that if I took AD's, they would make me so miserable in the first month that I would most likely die by suicide during that period.

I am not depressed in the least at the moment, so I am able to get a laugh at my own problems. At least I feel alive when I face my problems and try to work out a solution.
On a slightly unrelated note - a guy who went to school with me died in a car accident days after he got his Master's degree, a job offer and got engaged. He died at his peak. I have entertained the thought of doing the same at times.
 
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Kratom might help with that, lol. I lived with unbearable anxiety and suicidal depression 24/7 for more than a year, yet I refused to take meds. My shrink is puzzled by that, but I do not expect her to understand. I know for a fact that if I took AD's, they would make me so miserable in the first month that I would most likely die by suicide during that period.

I am not depressed in the least at the moment, so I am able to get a laugh at my own problems. At least I feel alive when I face my problems and try to work out a solution.
On a slightly unrelated note - a guy who went to school with me died in a car accident days after he got his Master's degree, a job offer and got engaged. He died at his peak. I have entertained the thought of doing the same at times.

about the peak. yeah i did read a bit about your thoughts to go with burning flags ^^

i don't know. i feel often that i am already over my peak getting closer to age 50. but on the other hand i guess i think this for maybe 20 years now.
my overthinking made my life a living hell for too long and recently i stumbled over i nice quote from dostoyevsky "to think too much is a disease.".

so let's see if the use of some kratom and maybe also some microdosing of shrooms which i want to do soon changes something.
the 15 years long drug free life is definitely over. did lead me only to 3 suicidal times in my life. and cause i never had issues with drug addiction i think it's worth a try to improve my quality of life.
 
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about the peak. yeah i did read a bit about your thoughts to go with burning flags ^^

i don't know. i feel often that i am already over my peak getting closer to age 50. but on the other hand i guess i think this for maybe 20 years now.
my overthinking made my life a living hell for too long and recently i stumbled over i nice quote from dostoyevsky "to think too much is a disease.".

so let's see if the use of some kratom and maybe also some microdosing of shrooms which i want to do soon changes something.
the 15 years long drug free life is definitely over. did lead me only to 3 suicidal times in my life. and cause i never had issues with drug addiction i think it's worth a try to improve my quality of life.
Definitely worth a try. I would rather be high than dead. I am trying to remove from myself anything that makes me feel suicidal, defeated or exhausted. This is my last shot at life so I am giving it the best I've got.
 
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Definitely worth a try. I would rather be high than dead. I am trying to remove from myself anything that makes me feel suicidal, defeated or exhausted. This is my last shot at life so I am giving it the best I've got.

for me also somehow. try or die. nothing to loose except my life which i don't really give a shit about. ^^

wish you good luck on your try. :)
 
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for me also somehow. try or die. nothing to loose except my life which i don't really give a shit about. ^^

wish you good luck on your try. :)
Thanks, I wish the best of luck to you too. I am at a point where spiritual/emotional/psychological survival is more important to me than the physical one. But I am hoping to survive in those 3 ways with my body intact too.
 
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I would take 7-8 pills and then extra 4-5 when I was peaking (1.5 - 2 hours after taking the initial dose)
Just a random question - but how much do people usually take to get a "high"?

I was prescribed some in the past when I dislocated my shoulder (2x 100mg, 3 times a day), but all I felt was super nauseous all the time (and I couldn't feel my face when I touched it), so ended up using weed instead to numb the pain.
 
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Thanks, I wish the best of luck to you too. I am at a point where spiritual/emotional/psychological survival is more important to me than the physical one. But I am hoping to survive in those 3 ways with my body intact too.

yeah. i know what you mean. i mainly just existed the last 20 years. i denied somehow to live cause of the anxiety and so i isolated myself from nearly every human interaction. being a freelancer this was also more easy.
but since registering here and interacting more i really feel more alive. also already some painful emotional experiences but they had more of a cleaning effect so it was worth it. better than numbing myself for so long.

i eat pretty healthy, no sports but that get compensated by the food and also take not drugs. damaged my lungs a lot in my wild 20ies. but thats also not really an issue anymore cause of my healthy lifestyle.

if you don't get to extreme the body can take a lot. otherwise ctb would be much easier i guess ^^
 
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Just a random question - but how much do people usually take to get a "high"?

I was prescribed some in the past when I dislocated my shoulder (2x 100mg, 3 times a day), but all I felt was super nauseous all the time (and I couldn't feel my face when I touched it), so ended up using weed instead to numb the pain.
That's about the dosage I sometimes use for my leg pain as well (as prescribed by my general practitioner) and I haven't had any negative effects so far...maybe you should have stayed at an even lower dosage because nausea indicates that it's too much for your body to handle.

But Tramadol has been very helpful for me so for far as a "once in a while" medication.
 
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I haven't had any negative effects so far...
Yeah, I just didn't get on with it at all.... eventually I was prescribed co-codamol instead (30mg/500mg, 2 tablets, 3x a day) which worked great - and gave the tramadol to friends who wanted to use it recreationally.
....because nausea indicates that it's too much for your body to handle.
That makes sense.... I did wonder how others managed to handle the effects
 
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Just a random question - but how much do people usually take to get a "high"?

I was prescribed some in the past when I dislocated my shoulder (2x 100mg, 3 times a day), but all I felt was super nauseous all the time (and I couldn't feel my face when I touched it), so ended up using weed instead to numb the pain.
It depends, I always took 7 - 13 50 mg pills. If you OD on it, you can get a seizure and epilepsy (I knew a guy who had this problem).
yeah. i know what you mean. i mainly just existed the last 20 years. i denied somehow to live cause of the anxiety and so i isolated myself from nearly every human interaction. being a freelancer this was also more easy.
but since registering here and interacting more i really feel more alive. also already some painful emotional experiences but they had more of a cleaning effect so it was worth it. better than numbing myself for so long.

i eat pretty healthy, no sports but that get compensated by the food and also take not drugs. damaged my lungs a lot in my wild 20ies. but thats also not really an issue anymore cause of my healthy lifestyle.

if you don't get to extreme the body can take a lot. otherwise ctb would be much easier i guess ^^
Same. I have been numb for such a long time, I felt like I was already dead in many ways, or as being behind a glass wall that separated me from the rest of humanity.
That's about the dosage I sometimes use for my leg pain as well (as prescribed by my general practitioner) and I haven't had any negative effects so far...maybe you should have stayed at an even lower dosage because nausea indicates that it's too much for your body to handle.

But Tramadol has been very helpful for me so for far as a "once in a while" medication.
It has been very helpful for me too.
Yeah, I just didn't get on with it at all.... eventually I was prescribed co-codamol instead (30mg/500mg, 2 tablets, 3x a day) which worked great - and gave the tramadol to friends who wanted to use it recreationally.

That makes sense.... I did wonder how others managed to handle the effects
My friend was on Co-codamol for years, I never tried it myself.
 
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I wish I could sell you the tramadol I have lying around my room. I was just thinking of asking my doctor for another prescription.

I liked the high very much. Such a blissful feeling. I got there by accident. I have tried to replicate it a couple of times with no success. I did not want to take more than two tables.

I got a bit depressed afterward. I am not sure if due to a health problem, a crush on a girl, or was something else. Have you experienced volatility in your mood after abusing tramadol? I mean, I took only two tablets with a beer couple of times. You could hardly call it abuse.

What really made me feel alive is having a deep feeling for one particular girl. I managed to screw it up. Oh well, the story of my unadjusted life:S.
 
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Same. I have been numb for such a long time, I felt like I was already dead in many ways, or as being behind a glass wall that separated me from the rest of humanity.

yes exactly. i also feel very alienated in the "normal" world.
 
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yes exactly. i also feel very alienated in the "normal" world.
That is something that anti-choicers do not get, nor shrinks. That some people do not want help, they just want the pain to end. Losing all hope gives you a path to meeting fellow travelers of that same journey - the only people who can actually help us. Seeing yourself reflected in the eyes of another makes you feel like a person again.
I wish I could sell you the tramadol I have lying around my room. I was just thinking of asking my doctor for another prescription.

I liked the high very much. Such a blissful feeling. I got there by accident. I have tried to replicate it a couple of times with no success. I did not want to take more than two tables.

I got a bit depressed afterward. I am not sure if due to a health problem, a crush on a girl, or was something else. Have you experienced volatility in your mood after abusing tramadol? I mean, I took only two tablets with a beer couple of times. You could hardly call it abuse.

What really made me feel alive is having a deep feeling for one particular girl. I managed to screw it up. Oh well, the story of my unadjusted life:S.
If you want to sell it, we can work something out, hopefully.
 
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How do I know you are not a cop? I lose my tramadol supply and get a fine and parole at best or prison at worst.
 
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How do I know you are not a cop? I lose my tramadol supply and get a fine and parole at best or prison at worst.
Good point. I would be more at risk though, since they would only have my address and there are ways I could send you money without knowing your identity (Bitcoin, PayPal).
 
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Losing all hope gives you a path to meeting fellow travelers of that same journey - the only people who can actually help us. Seeing yourself reflected in the eyes of another makes you feel like a person again.
perfect description.

i made more progress here in 3 months than in the last 20 years trying to solve the puzzle by myself and for 1,5 years with a therapist who was a tiny help but wasn't really able to understand the amplitude of my suffering.

but i am also still in a phase where my future is vague. so let's see where my road leads me.
 
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