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BridgeJumper

BridgeJumper

The Arsonist
Apr 7, 2019
1,193
Correct me if I'm wrong but isnt a stapedoctomy the treatment for superior canal dehiscience syndrome? It's been a while since I dived into the shit medical literature of ear conditions. Do you also take betahistine or diamox? I'm getting a high resolution CT scan and MRI of the inner ear after months and months of endless suffering, hyperacusis, hearing loss, distortions, disabling vertigo, etc...

are you active on the TinnitusTalk forum?
Tinnitus talk wont let me register. Tried asking a friend to message the mods about it and no one replied. They wont let me sign up because I cant name 'most popular tinnitus podcasts'. T isn't my main issue anyway
I take cinnarizine for vertigo. Sometimes cinnarizine and dramamine joint in one pill. It works well, usually stops the spinning and vomiting. And always wear noise canceling.
Betahistine I tried one time and puked it up. Decided to not take it again since didnt think I have Menieres.
Treatment for SCDS is tempomandibular / mastoid surgery (? idk if its the correct name) or middle fossa craniotomy which is both accessing the inner ear through the brain to plug the hole. They can also do oval window reinforcement to fix hyperacusis but it doesnt work as well. All of those are too complex for any of the quacks in my country that told me to see a psychiatrist to do.
Lol I could write papers on otolaryngology by now cause I had to learn everything myself. 1 year 4 months being told Im making shit up.
Dont bother with inner ear MRI because its VERY loud and doesnt show dehiscence. I suffered insane pain for nothing
Get CT of 0.3-0.6 mm resolution and VEMP
 
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hopelessanddisabled

The epitome of bad luck
Feb 5, 2021
55
Lol I could write papers on otolaryngology by now cause I had to learn everything myself. 1 year 4 months being told Im making shit up.
This is a statement I identify with so well, I'm probably one of the world's leading experts in "hyperacusis" (a dogshit diagnosis anyway) by now.
 
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BridgeJumper

The Arsonist
Apr 7, 2019
1,193
This is a statement I identify with so well, I'm probably one of the world's leading experts in "hyperacusis" (a dogshit diagnosis anyway) by now.
Destroyed ears gaaaang!
 
BandAddict

BandAddict

Specialist
Apr 3, 2019
338
I don't hear about visual snow that often! I have both visual snow and tinnitus, which have been there as far back as I can remember, around age 3-4. (I'd assume I've had it since I was a baby, but I can't say for sure.) I used to think both were normal.

My tinnitus isn't too horrible, but during times of extreme stress and sleep deprivation, it's deafening and drives me insane. It actually did worsen suicidal thoughts when I was 16, but has been manageable since then. Aside from that, I'm sensitive to loud noises in general.
 
mini_weeny

mini_weeny

Every cradle is a grave
Jan 5, 2021
340
Correct me if I'm wrong but isnt a stapedoctomy the treatment for superior canal dehiscience syndrome? It's been a while since I dived into the shit medical literature of ear conditions. Do you also take betahistine or diamox? I'm getting a high resolution CT scan and MRI of the inner ear after months and months of endless suffering, hyperacusis, hearing loss, distortions, disabling vertigo, etc...

are you active on the TinnitusTalk forum?
Won't the Mri make your h worse? It has worsened many ppls h.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isnt a stapedoctomy the treatment for superior canal dehiscience syndrome? It's been a while since I dived into the shit medical literature of ear conditions. Do you also take betahistine or diamox? I'm getting a high resolution CT scan and MRI of the inner ear after months and months of endless suffering, hyperacusis, hearing loss, distortions, disabling vertigo, etc...

are you active on the TinnitusTalk forum?
"The epitome of bad luck" love it :D
 
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BridgeJumper

The Arsonist
Apr 7, 2019
1,193
As I said MRI for detecting SCDS is useless. Not sensitive enough. Put myself through so much pain for nothing.
 
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hopelessanddisabled

The epitome of bad luck
Feb 5, 2021
55
Won't the Mri make your h worse? It has worsened many ppls h.
I don't care.
As I said MRI for detecting SCDS is useless. Not sensitive enough. Put myself through so much pain for nothing.
I'm also getting temporal bone an inner ear CT scans in addition to the contrast MRI. My neurotologist ordered all of these. The MRI with contrast is to determine if there is medically treatable hydrops or a viral infection.
 
mini_weeny

mini_weeny

Every cradle is a grave
Jan 5, 2021
340
As I said MRI for detecting SCDS is useless. Not sensitive enough. Put myself through so much pain for nothing.
Usually makes people so much worse and yes usually for nothing. I wouldn't risk it.
 
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Into The Void

Into The Void

Student
Mar 10, 2021
196
Hello everyone

I felt like posting this, as we have members here that want to ctb but don't really know their options about dealing with tinnitus, hyperacusis and visual snow. I am well aware that these conditions can kill you (and it's also the reason why I am currently here but I'm getting better), but it is better in my opinion if people can make an informed decision. Ear doctors are unfortunately generally useless when it comes to tinnitus and hyperacusis, and visual snow is not well known to date.

I wont go into the basics of symptoms, as probably anyone with these conditions is aware of them. I'm also not a doctor, this is just what I have learned over the past 16 months of living with this shit.

Tinnitus:

Cause of tinnitus:
Most often tinnitus is caused by hearing damage (loud noise or medication), or stress. Hearing damage does not have to show up on the audiogram because (1) most audiograms only test up to 8k hertz, while the damage might be in the 8-16k hertz range, and (2) you might have hidden hearing loss, that is damage to the synapses between the hair cells and the ear nerve, which won't show up on any audiogram. If you have moderate to severe synapse damage, you will have difficulty understanding in noisy environment, that's about the only indication you can get.

My tinnitus is making me suicidal, why shouldn't I quit now?:
If there was no solution to tinnitus except suicide or trying to life with it, I wouldn't bother writing here. There is one expensive option you have now, and probably a few cheaper ones in the coming future.

Deep brain stimulation (available now if you can pay it): There's this story on tinnitustalk about a girl from Holland with very severe tinnitus who got experimental deep brain stimulation at the AMC in Amsterdam (https://riannesreis-nl2.webnode.nl/resume/, use google translate). She had to pay it herself. It hasn't lowered her tinnitus, but seemingly took out all emotional reaction which has her life made good again. However, DBS can also reduce tinnitus volume directly, as has been strongly indicated by a US study (https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2019-09/jonp-dbs091719.php), the reduction being around 60%. So whether you get an actual reduction of the volume or just a reduction in the emotional response, DBS does help with tinnitus. The problem is, that it is not yet an approved intervention for tinnitus, so you have to pay it yourself (the girl from Netherlands set up a donation page). There's another study in the Netherlands right now, https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT03976908 by University of Maastricht (not AMC Amsterdam), trying to replicate the findings from the US. If you're trying to go for DBS, you'll probably have to undergo an MRI. Since MRIs are crazy loud, you should try to find a hospital with a quiet MRI. You can phone MRI manufacturers to find out which hospitals have such quiet MRIs (example: (https://www.siemens-healthineers.co...-imaging/mri-technologies/mri-design/mr-quiet). Elon Musks Neuralink (available in 7-10? years) should be able to do the same thing as deep brain stimulation, but it will take a long time until it's here.

FX-322 (available in 2-5 years, moderate-good chance of improvement): New medicine that is supposed to alleviate damage to hearing (hair cell damage) by regrowing the hair cells. Only phase 1 has been completed yet, but the results are very encouraging that it actually works for hearing damage. Whether it will also work for tinnitus we will see once phase 2 has been completed (due to COVID-delay it will be completed in around the middle of 2021). However, there's ample indication from people getting hearing aids or cochlear implants that restoring hearing lowers tinnitus. If FX-322 gets breakthrough therapy status after phase 2 (previously unavailable medicine for serious health problems), you will probably be able to access it probably in late 2021.

OTO-413 (available in 3-5 years, moderate-good chance in improvement): This medication fixes synapse damage in hidden hearing loss, which is believed to be a contributor to tinnitus (just like hair cell damage). OTO-413 is a bit behind FX-322 and there have been no results so far, but animal models indicate that it works (for details see https://investors.otonomy.com/static-files/cdfa5ab7-2975-46cf-81a5-5e0ef5a16c15).

Hough Ear Institute pill (NHPN-1010) (available in about 4-5 years): Supposedly also regenerates the synapses between hair cells and auditory nerve. Animal models have been promising but the Institute isn't proceeding very fast with the tests at the moment. COVID doesn't help either.

RL-81 (new retigabine, available in around 7 years; thanks Karl30 for the reminder): A potassium channel modulator that is supposed to directly eliminate tinnitus. Retigabine did the same thing but was much less potent and had many bad side effects.

Bimodal stimulation (available in ? years): This has been an ongoing research field. It's essentially about stimulating the brain simultaneously with sounds and electricity (for example through the tongue) to make use of brain plasticity to reduce tinnitus. Only the Lenire system has been out for now and it helps to some degree for some, but for many it doesn't. It seemingly helps more if you don't have any hearing loss but still suffer from tinnitus. You can only access it in Ireland and Germany and costs around 2500 euros. There's also a device being developed by Dr. Susan Shore but nobody knows when she'll finally finish it. This one should work better than Lenire.

Hearing aids: If you have damage in the range up to 8k hertz, hearing aids can aid with tinnitus. If your damage is over 8k hertz, hearing aids dont help because they don't cover that range unfortunately, as the frequencies over 8k hertz are less important for understanding speech.

Plain old waiting: If you have new tinnitus, it might improve in the coming 1-3 years (studies suggest that around 60% of people have complete recovery after a gunshot injury within 12 months, with another 10% within another year-two years. See here for details https://helda.helsinki.fi/bitstream/handle/10138/27440/investig.pdf?sequence=1 page 15, 35 and 36). For some it takes a long time. Having severe tinnitus at beginning doesn't mean you can't get an improvement.

Hyperacusis:
Hearing sensitivity in general tends to get better over many months as long as you protect your hearing from loud/uncomfortable sounds (you really should buy earmuffs/ear plugs or both). If not, we can only hope that FX-322 or OTO-413 also work for hyperacusis. It is not known yet whether they work or not. It is not known whether DBS works or not.

Visual snow:
There is no known treatment at the moment. Both fortunately and unfortunately, visual snow generally stays the same once it has reached a constant level (no more worsening, no improvement). It can't be ruled out that visual snow that appears after tinnitus gets better with tinnitus treatment. I'm also very positive that visual snow can be reduced with deep brain stimulation (it's just another hyperactivity in the brain after all), but it's speculation at the moment.

What can I do now if I want to give these treatments in the next years a shot?
The usual stuff you probably heard elsewhere: Sports, yoga, meditation, etc. Essentially everything that helps with depression and anxiety. If you're looking for inspiration, I always like to post this video:
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Dude has lived with moderate visual snow and intrusive tinnitus for the past 5 years and seems to be doing well. Theres also this rugby player: https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/9426165/strictly-ben-cohen-tinnitus-unbearable-eyes-water/ who is essentially deaf because what remains of his hearing is mostly covered up by veeery loud tinnitus. There's many others out there.

So yeah, I guess one can live for some time with these problems until we have medication on the market that improves/fixes tinnitus.

Take care everyone.

Thank you for that run down of future treatments coming.

I have had noise induced tinnitus for almost 2 decades. It just keeps getting worse. My hope is that now that I'm not driving for a living RN it will heal up some because the constant humming of the road isn't helpful at all for it. In the meantime I am managing by using antidepressant medications.
 
BridgeJumper

BridgeJumper

The Arsonist
Apr 7, 2019
1,193
I'm managing my condition by becoming a shut in LOL
Sit in the toilet all day with books, sketchpads and noise cancels on
Nothing helps.
My ears are broken.
Getting groceries is a whole ass chore, to not fall, throw up or cry
I don't care.

I'm also getting temporal bone an inner ear CT scans in addition to the contrast MRI. My neurotologist ordered all of these. The MRI with contrast is to determine if there is medically treatable hydrops or a viral infection.
'I dont care' is my top mood now
 
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mini_weeny

mini_weeny

Every cradle is a grave
Jan 5, 2021
340
Do you think MRI can cause permanent hearing damage?
Most definitely, google it. Many ppl have gotten hyperacusis from just one mri even with earplugs, I know these ppl. Their lives are ruined and they live in excruciating pain.
 
BridgeJumper

BridgeJumper

The Arsonist
Apr 7, 2019
1,193
MRI when I was healthy didnt affect me.
When I got it after I developer SCDS, I screamed and dry heaved for 5 minutes before I went unconscious
 
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rs929

Mage
Dec 18, 2020
579
Most definitely, google it. Many ppl have gotten hyperacusis from just one mri even with earplugs, I know these ppl. Their lives are ruined and they live in excruciating pain.
I think you could damage your ears by going to a concert as well, or loud subways. I mean yes I have my concerns about MRI's but then again we're exposed all the time to loud noises
 
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SubZero

Member
Feb 8, 2022
98
Anyone knows why my tinnitus is getting worse weekly? It started with old tv mute sound, now I have 10 sounds in bith ears. I have something mechanical as well, since eqplug usage, vomiting, valsalva maneuver all worsened it permanently. Low noise exposure also does.

My hyperacusis is crippling - my LDLs are almost zero, I am homebound and I have pain from sounds. Also sound diatortions in high frequencies. All this from a caloric test....

I am 6 months is and it just keeps getting worse from something a s simple as touching my ears tinnitus is super reactive and loud. It is hell. I did everything I could but it just kept getting worse and worse, I am homebound, miserable and if I had I gun Inwould have used it so far.
 
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