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FuneralCry

FuneralCry

She wished that she never existed...
Sep 24, 2020
34,131
As it really isn't, existence is beyond evil and that's why I'd always see it as better to not exist. There's no beauty in how existing beings have been tormented endlessly all throughout history as a result of the abomination that is existence, instead it's hellish and repulsive, it's beyond tragic how life even exists at all when the absence of everything is perfection.

I'm disgusted by how humans actually choose to procreate even know there is literally no limit as to how much one can be tormented as long as they exist, existence truly is just a harmful, meaningless imposistion that causes nothing but suffering, I cannot stand those who label this as "beautiful" and so cruelly choose to procreate, it's like a virus how they create so much unnecessary suffering, pain and torment by forcing life here.

No matter what I'd prefer to not exist especially as to exist means to suffer so unnecessarily all while risking experiencing much worse suffering, the amount of endless torment and senseless cruelty in this world is simply beyond comprehension, calling existence "beautiful" is an insult to how hellish existence truly is. All that I've ever wished for is the peace of non-existence, my wish to die is a result of becoming aware of how truly undesirable existence is, for me only wanting to die makes sense which is why I'm disgusted by people and their insensitive toxic positivity.
 
Agon321

Agon321

I use google translate
Aug 21, 2023
568
I don't necessarily agree.
People have the right to "feel" beauty. Even with all the crap that comes out of this world, you can still enjoy beauty sometimes.
For example, I really like the view of the mountains. They are beautiful to me.
I'm sick, but I can still appreciate reality sometimes.

I think our reality is often disgusting and senseless, but you can still have good moments. Life has no objective meaning. Anyone who wants to be happy must approach it in a subjective way.
Of course, it's not always possible, that's why we are here.
 
sserafim

sserafim

the darker the night, the brighter the stars
Sep 13, 2023
7,419
I find existence as beautiful as dog poo
My problem with existence is that I couldn't consent to it. There's endless, guaranteed suffering with a few intermittent moments of happiness. It's just not worth it in my opinion. I would rather not be born at all than have to feel pain and misery. What's the point of being able to feel pleasure if pain is certain? It doesn't make any sense to me
 
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iloverachel

Warlock
Mar 7, 2024
734
My problem with existence is that I couldn't consent to it. There's endless, guaranteed suffering with a few intermittent moments of happiness. It's just not worth it in my opinion. I would rather not be born at all than have to feel pain and misery. What's the point of being able to feel happy if suffering is certain? It doesn't make any sense to me
Well said
Pain and suffering outweighs joy and pleasure and by a lot
I'm talking about 99 percent being miserable and suffering and 1 percent joyful moments
Not worth it at all
This life sentence will never end for some of us sadly
 
Alexei_Kirillov

Alexei_Kirillov

Running very late for my appointment with Death
Mar 9, 2024
294
I agree with everything that's been said here but I think we also have to take a step back and realize that we're in the minority and most people don't feel this way.

Case in point, I was listening to a podcast a while back about the role of chance in our lives, and the guy was talking about how if this one chance event hadn't happened to his grandparents, he wouldn't be here right now. To us, it's crushing to think about how we could have been spared this fate were it not for some small detail in the past, but for him, it was the opposite. He was scared at the idea of him having never existed, and was immensely grateful that he was now alive. Other people in the conversation echoed that sentiment.

It's hard for me to wrap my head around, but then again, my views about existence are probably just as hard for them to wrap their heads around. There isn't one truth here. (Procreation is another issue though).
 
tryingtoquietdown

tryingtoquietdown

it's too loud in my head
Mar 6, 2024
25
Life is beautiful to most people. They don't live like you do. Their existences are not inundated with endless suffering. They don't feel the depths of your pain. I know exactly where you're coming from, where everything feels so painful and cruel and helpless that you grow resentful of everyone and everything because nothing seems to help, but deeming other people disgusting just because they see a light that you don't is ignorant. If you want to let your suffering manifest to the point where everyone is evil to you, go right ahead, but I'm telling you from experience that it's not going to get you anywhere good. If you want to experience the beauty of life before you leave it, you have to fight for it. Knocking down others trying to fight for their happiness doesn't make life any less cruel to you.
 
sserafim

sserafim

the darker the night, the brighter the stars
Sep 13, 2023
7,419
I agree with everything that's been said here but I think we also have to take a step back and realize that we're in the minority and most people don't feel this way.

Case in point, I was listening to a podcast a while back about the role of chance in our lives, and the guy was talking about how if this one chance event hadn't happened to his grandparents, he wouldn't be here right now. To us, it's crushing to think about how we could have been spared this fate were it not for some small detail in the past, but for him, it was the opposite. He was scared at the idea of him having never existed, and was immensely grateful that he was now alive. Other people in the conversation echoed that sentiment.

It's hard for me to wrap my head around, but then again, my views about existence are probably just as hard for them to wrap their heads around. There isn't one truth here. (Procreation is another issue though).
I think that chance plays a bigger part in life than most people realize. Some things are just down to luck
 
jar-baby

jar-baby

Specialist
Jun 20, 2023
336
Case in point, I was listening to a podcast a while back about the role of chance in our lives, and the guy was talking about how if this one chance event hadn't happened to his grandparents, he wouldn't be here right now. To us, it's crushing to think about how we could have been spared this fate were it not for some small detail in the past, but for him, it was the opposite.

There's this passage from What We Owe the Future by Will MacAskill:

Consider that a typical ejaculation contains around 200 million sperm. If any of the other 200 million sperm had fertilised the egg that you developed from, then you would not have been born. Instead someone else — with 75% of the genes you would have had — would have been born in your place. A one out of 200 million event involves extreme luck. So, much as I'm sure you don't want to think about such things, even if your father's ejaculation had occurred milliseconds earlier or later, it would almost certainly have been a different sperm that fertilised your mother's egg. And so any event that affected the schedules of your biological mother and father on the day that you were conceived, even if only by a tiny amount — such as a longer line at the supermarket, or an additional car ahead of them on their way home from work — would have had the result that you wouldn't have been born.

Extreme luck indeed.
 
cantthinkofusername

cantthinkofusername

wannabe girl
Feb 25, 2024
102
its not always easy to see the beauty in existence but existence is beautiful even if it is painful
its only in my darkest moments that i can truly see and experience and be in awe of existence & its beauty
the world is so vast that we'll never see more than a fraction of a fraction of its totality, and there is still so much that you can experience & be in that tiny fragment
life can be unimaginably cruel and unbearably painful, but that doesnt change that its a beautiful thing
idk thats just my opinion
 
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davidtorez

davidtorez

Experienced
Mar 8, 2024
266
I think that chance plays a bigger part in life than most people realize. Some things are just down to luck
I would actually say "most " or even all things in life come down to luck. If you haven't already, I would listen or read some of Robert Sapolskys work . He's a neuroscientist that has done extensive studies on the brain and how free will and the choices people make are effected by how their brains were formed during their earlier Years and even how the brain was formed in the womb
 
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walkingdead2023

walkingdead2023

Specialist
Jan 2, 2024
379
As it really isn't, existence is beyond evil and that's why I'd always see it as better to not exist. There's no beauty in how existing beings have been tormented endlessly all throughout history as a result of the abomination that is existence, instead it's hellish and repulsive, it's beyond tragic how life even exists at all when the absence of everything is perfection.

I'm disgusted by how humans actually choose to procreate even know there is literally no limit as to how much one can be tormented as long as they exist, existence truly is just a harmful, meaningless imposistion that causes nothing but suffering, I cannot stand those who label this as "beautiful" and so cruelly choose to procreate, it's like a virus how they create so much unnecessary suffering, pain and torment by forcing life here.

No matter what I'd prefer to not exist especially as to exist means to suffer so unnecessarily all while risking experiencing much worse suffering, the amount of endless torment and senseless cruelty in this world is simply beyond comprehension, calling existence "beautiful" is an insult to how hellish existence truly is. All that I've ever wished for is the peace of non-existence, my wish to die is a result of becoming aware of how truly undesirable existence is, for me only wanting to die makes sense which is why I'm disgusted by people and their insensitive toxic positivity.
It's disgusting and dark I feel like I can't see the light anymore!
 
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robotomy

robotomy

struggler
Aug 6, 2020
58
As it really isn't, existence is beyond evil and that's why I'd always see it as better to not exist. There's no beauty in how existing beings have been tormented endlessly all throughout history as a result of the abomination that is existence, instead it's hellish and repulsive, it's beyond tragic how life even exists at all when the absence of everything is perfection.

I'm disgusted by how humans actually choose to procreate even know there is literally no limit as to how much one can be tormented as long as they exist, existence truly is just a harmful, meaningless imposistion that causes nothing but suffering, I cannot stand those who label this as "beautiful" and so cruelly choose to procreate, it's like a virus how they create so much unnecessary suffering, pain and torment by forcing life here.

No matter what I'd prefer to not exist especially as to exist means to suffer so unnecessarily all while risking experiencing much worse suffering, the amount of endless torment and senseless cruelty in this world is simply beyond comprehension, calling existence "beautiful" is an insult to how hellish existence truly is. All that I've ever wished for is the peace of non-existence, my wish to die is a result of becoming aware of how truly undesirable existence is, for me only wanting to die makes sense which is why I'm disgusted by people and their insensitive toxic positivity.
Here's one way I try to see this as a non-expert (alot of this is just me "stream-of-consciousness"-ing so it might be hard to make sense of lol). Not necessarily arguing against you, just providing my own weird angle of perspective:

When you say "existence" and "been tormented endlessly", I think of not only us, but also animals. Even when throwing away meaning and "man-made horrors" that's brought down onto wild animals - nature is literally painful. When animals eat each other, sharp teeth tear into skin and bones, even though only some pain at surface skin level should be needed to tell the animal to GTFO. But biochemical phenomena (the kind that involves DNA mutations and evolution) don't involve moral intelligence, so it doesn't know that too much pain is bad, no matter how much it helps you survive (except for the whole adrenaline and shock phenomena which is interesting).

So even though creatures might've developed too much sensitivity to pain, it had to have at least SOME of it way for it to even survive and eventually evolve towards us (the only living beings smart enough to even conceptualize morality, and to interpret these things as cruel). If life didn't develop nervous systems to feel pain, hunger, and even mental stress, it wouldn't detect (and thus avoid) harm towards itself. And that would drastically decreases it's chances of surviving and eventually evolving to us. I mention mental stress even for other animals, because there's species like birds who required complex social structures to survive as long-distance communicators and travelers. And they feel lots of stress, maybe even more than us when put into brief isolating situations (such as our household cages).

"Cruelty" is an understandably valid interpretation...but we had to have developed a propensity towards feeling pain (and the cognitive stress that it inflicts) in order to at least try to overcome whatever was that source of pain and discomfort. So if we're thinking parallel universes and alternate timelines here...I don't think it's possible for there to be an alternate reality where 1) we exist, and 2) we don't feel pain, fear, etc...but also sentient cognitions of beauty and purpose, etc. as bonus fuel for motivation neurocircuitry.

But I do have to agree that we're sometimes too smart for our own good, and amongst many harms and "evils" that sentience has brought, the overcomplicated state modern society can be one of them. And there's tons of "man-made horrors" throughout all of human history that have taken necessary survival mechanisms and dialed them up in an immoral way. I think what happens is that throughout biological history, each animal in their own, single lifespan is NATURALLY built to handle X amount of pain, Y amounts of mental stress, etc. But our artificial inventions interfere with that because they aren't natural phenomena. So whichever person/group is controlling these phenomena, get to inflict distressing scenarios over and over again to people that are in a position with less leverage (far beyond the amount of times that a snowstorm happens in a penguin's lifespan, for example).

When I say "we're too smart for our own good", it's also because we understand that doing A leads to B, and sometimes "B" is something we all want...but "A" could be an "evil" action that's either easier than a moral one, or stem from abnormal, partly genetic brain circuitry (such as socio and psychopathy) that persisted because violence in the past used to ensure survival more than not. And what survived in the past can often be what exists today.

From all this yapping, my conclusion is sorta like this:
I try to apply this thinking to why we not only have SI, but also have general philosophical perspectives that are usually anti-CTB. With higher intelligence, we naturally form more complex manifestations of innate instincts, and it makes it sound "moral" to the average person. So I wouldn't call them person evil, sadistic, etc. But there are definitely some exploitative people and capitalistic organizations who hide behind masks of virtue-signaling. And sometimes average people might get their moral positions from those in power too...
 
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LevUwU

LevUwU

I hate my life and the government
Mar 16, 2024
179
A very long time ago particles floated around the universe slowly getting closer together until forming stars. Those stars in turn then exploded, with these new elements, the cosmic dust continued to gravitate closer until large rocky or gassy masses formed, soon finding themselves in the orbit of the sun. Then, as small traces of H2O found itself on our newborn planet water and the atmosphere allowed life to survive on the planet.

Millions of years of evolution to create wonderful creatures and plants, flora and fauna a plenty all beautifully designed by mother nature in their own special way. Then came along some rather smart apes, the most evolutionary spectacular if not disastrous species yet. Learning how to use tools, humanity came into existence.

Existence is beautiful, trees swaying in the wind as the sunlight dances on their leaves. A cloudless night sky where the universe in all of its glory is there to marvel at. Even humanity has beauty to it, our ingenuity and tenancy towards kindness, only faltering due to society and defects. Existence is truly beautiful, there is beauty in joy, there is beauty in pain, there is beauty in everything and nothing. Existence is beautiful.

I just hate mine.

For reasons I didn't choose.

And that doesn't make existence less beautiful.

It just makes it more tragic.
 
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Cosis

Member
Feb 7, 2023
41
I don't necessarily agree.
People have the right to "feel" beauty. Even with all the crap that comes out of this world, you can still enjoy beauty sometimes.
For example, I really like the view of the mountains. They are beautiful to me.
I'm sick, but I can still appreciate reality sometimes.

I think our reality is often disgusting and senseless, but you can still have good moments. Life has no objective meaning. Anyone who wants to be happy must approach it in a subjective way.
Of course, it's not always possible, that's why we are here.
People also have the "right" to delude themselves and be complete dumbasses, refusing to see reality for what it really is.

This is Hell. The rich always striving to get more, but never being satisfied even the when the world is bowing at their, feet. The Poor denied the basics while watching their "betters" throw away more than they have ever owned. The Abominations being denied everything, even love, when love is the one thing that both the Rich and Poor cling to when life has failed them.
 

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