Discussion To any pro-lifers or tantacrul supporters that find themselves on this site: suicide is an option

[KAZ-2Y5]

People around you don't want you to commit suicide, but don't try to offer a viable alternative. They just blackmail you into remaining alive. They're condemning you to unbearable pain, but you can't even talk about it.

It's your life and your suffering, but you don't have a say in it.

If we want to legitimize mental illness, why isn't suicide an option? People consider 'rational suicide' when their (physical) pain is unbearable. Why does that same level of mental pain not justify rational suicide?

Rational suicide is an undeniable reality. Pessimism is more rational than optimism. Realists/pessimists are looked down upon for being irrational, but blind optimism pathetically predicts that everyones life will suddenly "get better". You cannot predict if someones life will get better in any way whatsoever. You simply cannot predict the future like this. That'll probably take a psychic to do and I'm sure most people don't believe in that.

The existence of unbearable and unresolvable suffering is an undeniable reality.

Rational Suicides have always and will always exist. Our society looks down upon people who do it. Maybe we shouldn't stop people from ending unresolvable pain. Maybe we shouldn't look down upon them for being "cowardly", or "selfish", or "irrational", when the irrational people are the ones who give people false hope and strip people of a basic human right to die...

You can easily argue keeping someone alive for yourself even through all their treatment-resistant pain and suffering is utterly selfish and irrational. You're making their suffering about you.

If someone wants to end it, let them.

 

[Gaga786]

At the end of the day, most of these people are privileged people with little to zero abuse or trauma and don't know the amount of suffering we endure each day. Stop making life into a prison, it may be an amazing place for you, but that's not the case for everyone. There should be an exit for those who want to. Try to tackle the reasons behind why people are suicidal rather than treating the symptoms. I think you should start with the abuse, bullies,rapists and other horrific aspects this world has to offer rather than blaming us and pretending to care for us at the same time.No matter how many times you will throw us in the psych ward, or keep us restricted as if we are in some prison, that'll never fix the true problem.

 

[Gonnerr]

Suicide is a good option when you can't take anymore pain and tried everything to save yourself. Its a gift to you from you.

 

[Brown-Jacket Revy]

What I hate most is how inherently hostile pro-lifers are.

If you are a suicidal person arguing with them about your worldview, they don't treat you with compassion, but derision and condescension.

They don't even want to hear your explanation, but to shut you down with insults and platitudes.

Many of them will even actually tell you to kill yourself.

But then they turn around and pretend to be outraged at the idea of people communing on websites such as this, let alone the idea of euthanasia being a legalized definitive option for any and all who desire it.

It's absolute hypocrisy.

 

[Aloneisbestforme]

They can think whatever they want. I just don't like when they try to force us alive for whatever reason that may be.

It's our life let people do as they will. some people may wanna live and fight through it and some people don't wanna put all that effort in and rather ctb which I think should be a option.

since ctb is so hard to do and all the good methods are slowly going away from what i've been seeing (correct me if i'm wrong) and only leaving the painful methods left. and all for what? just to keep us alive to suffer more? I just don't understand.

us dying doesn't really affect their lives at all

 

[Gaga786]

They can think whatever they want. I just don't like when they try to force us alive for whatever reason that may be.

It's our life let people do as they will. some people may wanna live and fight through it and some people don't wanna put all that effort in and rather ctb which I think should be a option.

since ctb is so hard to do and all the good methods are slowly going away from what i've been seeing (correct me if i'm wrong) and only leaving the painful methods left. and all for what? just to keep us alive to suffer more? I just don't understand.

us dying doesn't really affect their lives at all

It also has to do with the hero complex. People want to feel like heroes by saving people as if it's their duty. I see it all the time on news how people are preventing suicides and everyone praising them

 

[Aloneisbestforme]

It also has to do with the hero complex. People want to feel like heroes by saving people as if it's their duty. I see it all the time on news how people are preventing suicides and everyone praising them

If that's the case that's just so inhumane.

only keeping someone alive so you can look like a "amazing person" is just selfish and makes me disklike them more than I already do

 

[ablationaaa457]

At the end of the day, most of these people are privileged people with little to zero abuse or trauma and don't know the amount of suffering we endure each day. Stop making life into a prison, it may be an amazing place for you, but that's not the case for everyone. There should be an exit for those who want to. Try to tackle the reasons behind why people are suicidal rather than treating the symptoms. I think you should start with the abuse, bullies,rapists and other horrific aspects this world has to offer rather than blaming us and pretending to care for us at the same time.No matter how many times you will throw us in the psych ward, or keep us restricted as if we are in some prison, that'll never fix the true problem.

I feel like you hit the nail on the head with your comment on treating the root causes as opposed to the symptoms. Simply forcing people to stay alive at all costs is really dumb and shitty if a proper alternative isn't presented, and it'd be much better to address the root causes of why people consider suicide instead of spending a ton of resources and effort into simply trying to ensure people stay alive at all costs.

I can't help but think of the body-catching nets that were constructed in factories in Longhua (where many Apple products are made) to try and prevent suicides, instead of resolving the frankly inhumane working conditions that the employees were subject to on a daily basis. Sometimes it feels like these people are the same; they'll just tunnel-vision and focus entirely on the act of suicide itself instead of addressing the root causes.

Vicarious also makes a good point about just how oddly combative these sort of people are. It always feels like they're not actually interested in having a proper discussion.

 

[FuneralCry]

No matter what other people say nobody is obligated to continue enduring this existence they were burdened with in the first place, it's always valid preferring the true peace of non-existence over suffering, for me wanting to die is just having awareness that existence truly is something so harmful, existence is just a tragic unnecessary mistake and I see nothing appealing about decaying from age in an existence I never wished to endure in the first place.

Death could never be "wrong" as at the end of the day it's all we are intended for, it's like those pro-life people forget that we are all just going to die and not everyone wants to wait for death to come anyway, many people would prefer to leave on their own terms and that's perfectly logical, it's that person's right. There's nothing irrational about wanting safety from suffering and peace from all harm, it would make no sense to say such a thing as it's not like one can suffer from not existing.

 

[Kerrtu]

I think of tantacrul as tantafool - helps remind me where his heads at.

 

[John Ryder]

I think of tantacrul as tantafool - helps remind me where his heads at.

Tantatool. Tantacruel. Tentacle. Taintourcrew.

 

[_Alfarooq_]

People around you don't want you to commit suicide, but don't try to offer a viable alternative. They just blackmail you into remaining alive. They're condemning you to unbearable pain, but you can't even talk about it.

It's your life and your suffering, but you don't have a say in it.

If we want to legitimize mental illness, why isn't suicide an option? People consider 'rational suicide' when their (physical) pain is unbearable. Why does that same level of mental pain not justify rational suicide?

Rational suicide is an undeniable reality. Pessimism is more rational than optimism. Realists/pessimists are looked down upon for being irrational, but blind optimism pathetically predicts that everyones life will suddenly "get better". You cannot predict if someones life will get better in any way whatsoever. You simply cannot predict the future like this. That'll probably take a psychic to do and I'm sure most people don't believe in that.

The existence of unbearable and unresolvable suffering is an undeniable reality.

Rational Suicides have always and will always exist. Our society looks down upon people who do it. Maybe we shouldn't stop people from ending unresolvable pain. Maybe we shouldn't look down upon them for being "cowardly", or "selfish", or "irrational", when the irrational people are the ones who give people false hope and strip people of a basic human right to die...

You can easily argue keeping someone alive for yourself even through all their treatment-resistant pain and suffering is utterly selfish and irrational. You're making their suffering about you.

If someone wants to end it, let them.

I own myself. That's why CTB isn't illegal at all. I am an adult and can make my own decisions, including but not limited to making the decision to CTB.