Thoughts on the debreather?

[Walilamdzi]

Apparently this will be available next month, according to the Exit International video? What did you guys think?

 

[Hush Sweet Charlotte]

I am interested in this but wondering who it will be made available to - ie if you have to be over fifty. Hopefully they'll accept you with medical evidence. Also it will be an entirely new and untested process. It was described in the Exit newsletter as potentially of interest to many but not the holy grail, so I'm expecting the drawbacks associated with using a mask. Hopefully the PPeH will have an update soon.

 

[Walilamdzi]

I only heard about it when Philip Nitschke mentioned it briefly in a video - was the idea that you ended up breathing nitrogen because the oxygen was used up and carbon dioxide filtered out?

 

[DepressionsAHo]

That's the funniest name for a suicide machine I've ever heard

 

[Hush Sweet Charlotte]

There's no nitrogen or inert gas involved, just the gradual removal of the oxygen from your body as the 'debreather' absorbs your exhaled CO2. It sounds like it may be an option for those who are too sick to take drugs or assemble the equipment needed for an inert gas death but it's too early to say. I wonder how or if it's been tested.

 

[Walilamdzi]

@Hush Sweet Charlotte I thought there was still a gas that you were inhaling and exhaling otherwise it would feel like you were suffocating?

@DepressionsAHo It was funny in the stream PN like "as long as you don't mind looking like Hannibal Lecter when you're found..." (because of the mask)... or Bane haha.

 

[Hush Sweet Charlotte]

I imagine it leads to the same hypoxic loss of consciousness but without access to the Exit forum I have no more detail on it - I don't know if they're talking about it there? (for anyone reading this who has access to the Exit forum)

I can't imagine they'd develop something that caused feelings of suffocation.

 

[Walilamdzi]

I found an article. It works how I thought, starting off with your breath, containing air (78% nitrogen, 20% oxygen etc) and gradually becoming just nitrogen left over from the initial breath as the oxygen is used by your body and the carbon dioxide "scrubbed" whatever that means.

"A debreather, as I envisioned it, would absorb carbon dioxide but not add more oxygen; a person would inhale a rising level of the inert gas nitrogen and declining levels of oxygen. As long as one can continue to breathe, there is no discomfort. The oxygen declines; the person passes out. A debreather provides a comfortable death within 30 minutes."

 

[Hush Sweet Charlotte]

That makes sense. It sounds more gradual than suddenly immersing yourself in pure nitrogen in the exit bag, which could be a good or a bad thing. Whether it will stop air from getting in once you're unconscious will be the key to whether it works, as I think previous masks have had to be held on by another person to stop that happening. I think lime absorbs the CO2, which is what CO2 scrubbing is.

 

[Walilamdzi]

Article estimated the price $150, so it's a lot more affordable thank nembutal. I hope they don't have restrictions like the ones you mentioned, but I don't see how they could release it without restrictions, really. I would definitely want to buy one. Hmm, involvement of another person is a major drag.

 

[Hush Sweet Charlotte]

Aye, though I think they're aware if another person has to smoosh the mask on someone's face until they're dead that would make it a bit of a deal-breaker. Hopefully they've found a way to make it a bit less illegal and horrifying...

 

[NextSummer]

Maybe pro: Taking sleeping pills and then wear the mask can make you die while asleep.

 

[Jen Erik]

Article estimated the price $150

Would you be able to share the link to this article?

 

[Walilamdzi]

@Jen Erik https://torontolife.com/city/life/john-hofsess-assisted-suicide/

 

[Jen Erik]

https://torontolife.com/city/life/john-hofsess-assisted-suicide/

thank you so much

 

[Hush Sweet Charlotte]

Interesting article from the guy who helped develop the helium bag method (though himself decided to end his life in Switzerland!). It seems he was developing the debreather mask around the same time but it's never taken off.

 

[Walilamdzi]

Interesting article from the guy who helped develop the helium bag method (though himself decided to end his life in Switzerland!). It seems he was developing the debreather mask around the same time but it's never taken off.

It's interesting that the guy who was involved in developing the helium bag method didn't use it. I wonder why.

 

[EddieAllenPoe]

When I first read about this product I couldn't believe it was real. It took my breath away.

 

[Lifeisatrap]

Was also interested in learning about the previous methods that were announced for the Nutech 2018 livestream called "the dry powder monoxide generator" and "the electric fibrillator." But a password was needed to access that video on vimeo:(

 

[Walilamdzi]

@Lifeisatrap That's frustrating, I wonder why they restrict them. The way I'm imagining the debreather, it seems a lot simpler than the exit bag setup but basically the same effect. Less equipment. Cynical part of me wonders if they aren't bringing it out because they're making profits from the Max Dog Brewing thing. Doesn't seem like it would take much development.

 

[Longman]

@Walilamdzi maybe debreather can be made at home? Though modern version (see photos here and here) looks a bit complicated (3 tubes and 2 scrubber canisters), earlier version was with only one tube and one canister (photo here).

 

[Jessica-]

This looks interesting but I don't quite understand how it works differently to exit bags. Does anyone know?

 

[HelensNepenthe]

This looks interesting but I don't quite understand how it works differently to exit bags. Does anyone know?

It's another hypoxic method. The key difference in this method is that it is readily accessible without much preparation for ones who may not be able to create an exit bag. The idea itself isn't new.

In 1998, John Hofsess of the NuTech group produced a paper titled "Introducing the Debreather," as part of his series called The Art and Science of Suicide. The Debreather was based on rebreather technology, devices that underwater divers use to recycle oxygen. The purpose of the Debreather, however, was to recycle nitrogen exhaled from the lungs, eliminate fresh oxygen supply, and eventually induce death by hypoxia.

In essence, the Debreather was a closed breathing system that contained about five to six litres of air. A person seeking a self-chosen death would breath into a mask and with each breath the amount of oxygen available in the system would decline as it was absorbed by the body. Exhaled carbon dioxide, which causes discomfort when breathed in concentration, would be absorbed in a canister of soda lime solution. Exhaled nitrogen would be recycled and eventually would be the only gas within the system.

Nine cases of self-chosen death by debreather have been reported, resulting in eight deaths. In nearly all cases there were reports of difficulties in getting an airtight seal around the mask, and outside air leaked into the closed breathing system. Attendees reported that they applied pressure to maintain the seal. Research on eliminating these difficulties was abandoned after the helium method proved to be an effective alternative in which the final acts that cause death can be executed by oneself.

I really don't see why Philip is coining this as a new method. Perhaps because he is able to readily make it for purchase without legalities? That perhaps an exit bag would potentially have?

 

[Jessica-]

It's another hypoxic method. The key difference in this method is that it is readily accessible without much preparation for ones who may not be able to create an exit bag. The idea itself isn't new.



I really don't see why Philip is coining this as a new method. Perhaps because he is able to readily make it for purchase without legalities? That perhaps an exit bag would potentially have?

Many thanks for the info.

 

[Hush Sweet Charlotte]

I think it hasn't been released for sale before because they couldn't overcome the problem of air getting into the mask while unconscious without another person holding it on. They've hopefully found a way to make it more airtight.

 

[NextSummer]

I wonder how they can sell it. It's clearly made to suicide. They got around the law with the nitrogen tanks by claiming they were also for useful for craft beer brewing - that's why it wasn't illegal. What is the other use of the debreather?

 

[DeepMind]

What is the other use of the debreather?

Maybe as treatment for people with nitrogen deficiency?

 

[Halo13]

Bumping this thread because it is great information.

 

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[pane]

Would anyone have even a snippet of new info about this? If it works as intended it would be a very attractive option.