We dont "not allow" people to have radio shows in a free country just because they have an incorrect viewpoint. Alot of the stuff he says is crazy. There is also alot he says that is true. Either way he can have his show and say what he wants on his show.
lol i didn't say he shouldn't be allowed to have a radio show because he has an "incorrect viewpoint", i said he should be deplatformed because he spreads ridiculous and false information and people actually take it seriously. and as far as i know he never says "hey guys, just kidding about the demons and space reptiles taking over the world through people, it was all a joke". people propagating false info to this level just shouldn't be allowed to have shows.
i dunno, personally i care if a decently large organization is spreading hugely false information to the public, and they should be stopped if they do, the same way i think that if a textbook is filled with lies about history or biology, it shouldn't be put in a school for children to read, and the people who published said book shouldn't be allowed to publish textbooks anymore. he can still have a right to say it on his show, i guess, but the show itself should be made nearly impossible to see or find anywhere, and basically no one should even know it exists.
No it has not. But there are some things in this country that are outside of the power of the law
Hey covid-19 has not been bothering me.
first of all, simply doubting what larger/more powerful groups say because they're large and powerful isn't critical thinking at all. if you have reason to believe that a particular group is untrustworthy then it makes total sense to doubt them, but doubting them because they're big isn't critical thinking.
what shouldn't be allowed is totally insane bullshit from being spread by a large organization to deceive people. that's what shouldn't be allowed. this is how we think critically: if an organization is spreading ridiculously false information and is in no way indicating that they're joking, at all, and they're misleading the public and deceiving people, then they should be stopped from doing that, it's not a difficult thing to figure out when we simply look at what alex jones does.
we know that the nazis were wrong now because they were factually wrong. the nazis used completely garbage science, and what you're saying is an argument in my favor. alex jones, like the nazis, tricks/tricked people into believing in insane bullshit, and society became objectively better when those people were stopped and silenced.
it's not about my comfort or what i like, it's about what is real information that will help us come to better educated conclusions about the world, and what is terrible information that isn't helpful in any way, and actually worsens political discourse.
it is, and i think the media should be there to educate the people. we literally form our views of the world based on the media we consume, producers of media have an obligation to tell the truth to the best of their ability, and when producers of media are just straight up lying to trick people, that's not ok. if alex jones and infowars said they were joking and that none of what they are saying should be taken seriously, then it'd be different, but they never do that.
You're free to think and state whatever you want but the United States you're not free to ban anything speech-related. Yes Alex Jones is still protected under the First Amendment and will continue to be protected under the First Amendment
i don't see anything inherently good about letting people say whatever they want 100% of the time in all cases. freedom is good if it serves a good purpose, if someone abuses a freedom they have to make things worse for people, then generally, that's a freedom you should probably take away.
In the USA our founders believed that all speech must be protected for good of all because nobody is qualified to be an arbiter of what can be said and what is not. Under your logic something said that causes emotional harm to a person should be banned. That's how you end up with fascism. You need to read 1984.
He pays for his own platform. We have capitalism.
Jones took his comments about Sandy Hook back, and said he regrets what he said.
The US while having a relatively free press is not the envy of the world. According to reporters without borders, 2 Latin American countries, Costa Rica and Uruguay, have freer press.
World Press Freedom Index - Wikipedia
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Thank you for using your energy to compose this and saves me from having to go through the trouble of articulating because it gets exhausting trying to explain free speech to the people who think that things should be banned
The US is still a great place to be compared to the Alternatives and that's why I will continue stand up for the first and second amendment yeah some problems do arise having such freedoms but I'd rather take the problems than deal with the alternative 1984
if you have been reading any of my posts you would know that that is nothing like anything i have said here.
ok so you're saying two different things here. in the first part of what you just said, "doubting a large and more powerful group simply because it is large and powerful IS definitely justified and critical" isn't really correct. doubting it SOLELY because it is large and powerful isn't an exercise in critical thinking. HOWEVER, the second part of what you just said, "corruption and exploitation run rampant in virtually every single one of them," is completely different. that second part makes more sense, because if a large group LIKE the US government, (or organized religions or whatever like you said) has been proven time and time again to lie and deceive intentionally, then heavily doubting what they say could actually be critical thinking, because you're doubting them for the shady stuff they're done in the past and the lies they've told, not because they're a large group. doubting a large organization for being large and powerful alone isn't critical.
what alex jones wants to personally say off the air to his friends or whatever doesn't matter much to me, and in that way, i think he should have his right to freedom of speech, the problem is he actulaly is part of a big group spreading disinformation, his own show, InfoWars. and he is the one spreading terrible information and controlling people, and that's the part of him that i think should totally be silenced.
right, Alex, as far as i know, hasn't used his position to silence others, but the blatant lying he engages in to trick people to gain more power/money is incredibly similar to what the nazis did in germany, even if alex isn't killing people or being racist. but to answer your question of "who's to say that what we know and think is not total bullshit?", we can only go off of the facts available to make the best possible guess we can as to whether or not we aren't believing bullshit without knowing. that's the only thing we can do, look at the evidence available to us in the moment. even back then, the nazis didn't have real science to back up what they believed, it was totally bunk then and now. they were intentionally not using good evidence to push their agenda of jews being inferior and it was highly damaging to millions.
no, not really. the reasion i think he shouldn't have a platform and/or his show should be hidden from the world because, with the evidence available to us, it is incredibly clear that he is spreading misinformation and tricking/deceiving people with insane nonsense. it's much more than just, "what he says makes me uncomfortable," it's the fact that he just straight up lies and makes up shit and sells it to millions for money, essentially poisoning people's minds. i'd never want to take away the rights of someone who, for example, wants to draw NSFW furry shit and post it to the internet or something, even though i think it's digusting, because they're not doing anything near to the level that alex jones does. "what you believe is real is not objective to others," is extremely philosophical, and if we went with that then essentially nothing is real, and this belief probably isn't beneficial to society or furthering discourse. agreeing on what is real and what isn't based on what we can test/prove is crucial to having a functioning society at all. and the problem with letting people just listen to absolutely insane people is that a lot of them will fall for their bullshit, this is the only reason why religions even exists. if we can we should make it so absolutely insane garbage is gotten rid of as hard as possible to avoid even more people falling for it, because alex jones and people like him just muddy the waters and makes otherwise intelligent people question reliable sources for no other reason than "they're big and powerful, so they must be scary liars."
i think the even slippery-er slope (idk how to say it) is just letting the crazy people use their radioshows/channels to make up insane lies and spread them, not silence them, and let more and more people fall for nonsense and muddy discourse. it seems more reasonable to deplatform people who just want to trick the masses for money and power, and use the facts and evidence available to determine when someone is spreading false info. if we can agree that it's actually alex jones "playing with information and disinformation towards their goals," then we can agree that he shouldn't be platformed, right?
Blaming Alex Jones for something you did is completely asinine and childish. Also slander and libel have nothing to do with being deplatformed you're talkin about tort law here he platform doesn't have anything to do with tort or criminal law. Someone else on a media platform is not responsible for your actions in any way
This is why memes can be great at times. But seriously, not much of an opinion on the guy here.
It's more the viewers. People get the news they want and leave as soon as it's something they don't. It's so tribal the truth doesn't matter only your side winning. This is why americas banned from travelling because they can't put their egos aside for one minute to deal with a pandemic. Never really watched Alex Jones, I know from what little I have seen he isn't worth watching. I remember he invaded The young turks set and got spat on by Jimmy Dore which tells you all you need to know about him too
