Discussion This world is designed for popping bubbles

[CandyK__]

It probably doesn't matter, but I see this world as designed for having small social bubbles, where any interaction in between the bubbles is more less forbidden. As in you can talk to person in your bubble about what you have planned for the weekend, and ask them for it, but when you do it to person of another bubble it's wrong, and from now on everyone in that other bubble will treat you as a freak.
To communicate with another bubble you need an excuse, which is almost always mandated by capitalism, and mega-crop e.g. a concert, a new social media trend etc.
Its' very easy to scare those other bubbles away from you, the problem is if you enter a new bubble, and other people leave said bubble quickly, because to them you're still an outsider, you are left alone. And to talk with anyone you need to know someone, in other words, once you're alone you're alone forever, and may only communicate with other very lonely people, who have not been brainwashed into believing that only interior of their bubble is correct.
The bubbles had only reason to exist, in tribe times, now they're only a tool that our ancestors use to harm all of us, for progressing with out mind beyond paranoia of danger.

TL:DR, Social norm are inherently isolating, and their presence in society has no reason currently.
I wish people were nice to each other, and loved instead of getting the ick because you talk to me, when I didn't feel like talking.

As a society we have reached a point were we could be conscious of our behavior, yet we still actively choose act like animals? Why is that, I tired to understand that for a long time and I'm desperate to understand why are people so primal with stupid social constraints?

 

[Shrike]

You might enjoy Kurt Vonnegut's concept of Grandfalloons. People really like their groups and often the groups are not actually rooted in anything significant.

But worse than that, people barely even take care of those within their bubbles anymore. The whole concept of managing a group and making sure it maintains harmony and everyone's included seems to have entirely flown out the window.

As a society we have reached a point were we could be conscious of our behavior, yet we still actively choose act like animals? Why is that, I tired to understand that for a long time and I'm desperate to understand why are people so primal with stupid social constraints?

Too many New Age excuses. To be human is to resist one's natural urges. Otherwise you're just an animal. But people now use their animal nature as an excuse. They say "well that's just human nature", "that's just how it is", "it's biology", "you can't fight it". All while talking about free will in the same breath if you alter the subject slightly.

Well, how are you going to improve if you've given up before you even tried?

 

[Doemu]

I use to like to say all way of people group and organize are sects.

We use to call destructive sects to the one's aren't going about to make money, but no matter what they are ever around dominance/submission roles.

About being alone, I want to add that stupidity can be defined as a irrationality that came from self identify with a group, being a sociological problem.

So being alone is a way to protect us from stupidity.

 

[4everDone]

I use to like to say all way of people group and organize are sects.

We use to call destructive sects to the one's aren't going about to make money, but no matter what they are ever around dominance/submission roles.

About being alone, I want to add that stupidity can be defined as a irrationality that came from self identify with a group, being a sociological problem.

So being alone is a way to protect us from stupidity.

If you feel stupid in one group, what stops you from changing it ?

 

[sserafim]

Because people are still animals at the end of the day, they're animals at the core. Deep down, we're all just animals. Animalistic nature is inherent to humans (like selfishness and cruelty for no reason). In every society, there will always be those that don't fit in, and the "normies" like to ostracize and other the "divergents" to feel superior about themselves, as well as to bond and grow closer to other "normies". This is just one's primal nature.

 

[Doemu]

If you feel stupid in one group, what stops you from changing it ?

It's not about how you feel, but how you act. You easy can be turned into mass-man.

 

[4everDone]

It's not about how you feel, but how you act. You easy can be turned into mass-man.

And what would a mass-man mean exactly?

 

[Doemu]

There are to much more professional definitions than I could made, so I just gonna say a few examples and recommend you to read where that concept is properly develop.

Example: fans of soccer teams fighting among themselves

Example: needing to know what your favorite politician has thought about a topic before responding to it in order to align yourself ideologically

I'm not saying that someone is full mass-man every time, and every moment. The same Individual can be turned mass-man when identify it's self with a group.

"«Why listen, if you already have inside you what is missing? It is no longer the time to listen, but, on the contrary, to judge, to sentence, to decide. There is no question of public life where he does not intervene, blind and deaf as he is, imposing his opinions."

The Revolt of the Masse - José Ortega y Gasset.

 

[CandyK__]

I use to like to say all way of people group and organize are sects.

We use to call destructive sects to the one's aren't going about to make money, but no matter what they are ever around dominance/submission roles.

About being alone, I want to add that stupidity can be defined as a irrationality that came from self identify with a group, being a sociological problem.

So being alone is a way to protect us from stupidity.

Sounds like a kind of schizophrenia. But I do get your point, we're all made by accidents, because everything that happens to us is, but in the end it's just a couple people asking themselves if they can freely say if they have free will, or did their mothers, cause them to answer such as they did.

The most important questions, are mostly important, because you can't really answer them.

I think the stupidity you're talking about is a kind of in-ability of sufficient analysis. Problem is the greater is the subjectivity (here an opposite of sufficient analysis) the greater will be the group you may fit into. We may know what we know, but "idiots"1 only listen to people alike.

This is just one's primal nature.

In that sense(1) I'm also an idiot, as I choose to remain at my point that we may be a bit less of primal animals, but most people will often to choose their enslavement, with norms while being at an intellectual level of an animal, which effectively chains them to the subjectivity they occupy.

Am I making any sense?

 

[Argo]

It probably doesn't matter, but I see this world as designed for having small social bubbles, where any interaction in between the bubbles is more less forbidden. As in you can talk to person in your bubble about what you have planned for the weekend, and ask them for it, but when you do it to person of another bubble it's wrong, and from now on everyone in that other bubble will treat you as a freak.
To communicate with another bubble you need an excuse, which is almost always mandated by capitalism, and mega-crop e.g. a concert, a new social media trend etc.
Its' very easy to scare those other bubbles away from you, the problem is if you enter a new bubble, and other people leave said bubble quickly, because to them you're still an outsider, you are left alone. And to talk with anyone you need to know someone, in other words, once you're alone you're alone forever, and may only communicate with other very lonely people, who have not been brainwashed into believing that only interior of their bubble is correct.
The bubbles had only reason to exist, in tribe times, now they're only a tool that our ancestors use to harm all of us, for progressing with out mind beyond paranoia of danger.

TL:DR, Social norm are inherently isolating, and their presence in society has no reason currently.
I wish people were nice to each other, and loved instead of getting the ick because you talk to me, when I didn't feel like talking.

As a society we have reached a point were we could be conscious of our behavior, yet we still actively choose act like animals? Why is that, I tired to understand that for a long time and I'm desperate to understand why are people so primal with stupid social constraints?

It looks even worse than that, and "bubble" is a useful term to get into this because it's not just bubbles that contain you + others. Each person experiences life permanently situated in their own impenetrable bubble. We can never truly connect with one another, only in the context of our "mutual bubble", and never in the context of true individual bubble-overlap. What that means is I can't simply invite someone into my mind nor can they invite me to theirs. Only an ego trying to cooperate with another ego(and that's just the best case scenario-- it only gets worse from there). It's always this contrived and unsatisfying thing that causes misunderstanding, problems with relating, conflict, etc