Things getting worse. I think I'll order SN again. And this time I'll try to bring everything to the end.

[anxivoid]

Although I still doubt. And have problem with taking meto (akathisia).

 

[gnomeboy17]

If you have doubt then probably best not. Wait till it's really bad and only use it as a last resort.

 

[anxivoid]

Maybe someone will be interested. The problems that I encountered when I made the previous "attempt" - I took two glass mugs with me, to nature, and did not find there some level place to put them. So I began to worry that when I passed out, I might accidentally turn over the second mug. And then, if something goes wrong, I will no longer have a second dose. And you are in nature. Like, in the middle of nothing. And from this comes the second problem. For many, the forest/mountains seem like an ideal place, especially if you live with your parents. But I can't stop thinking about what hell you will end up in if you don't die. Nobody will come to the rescue. I don't want to be "saved", but I don't want to get brain damage or become a vegetable this way. Maybe someone has thoughts?

 

[Red]

I don't think there are many cases of lasting damage after SN rescue? Is one of the reasons why the method is so popular

 

[anxivoid]

I don't think there are many cases of lasting damage after SN rescue? Is one of the reasons why the method is so popular

I meant, that you will have damage because you just won't get to the hospital. And most likely you won't even be able to get to the house/nearest road, etc. In all unsuccessful cases, people went to the hospital and received treatment. But we don't know what will happen if you drink a fatal dose and don't get treatment.

 

[Red]

I mean... death, right?
Fatal dose with no rescue or help is surely that?

 

[anxivoid]

I mean... death, right?
Fatal dose with no rescue or help is surely that?

But I read the cases where people "woke up" and were forced to call an ambulance. Also, it was reported that they could not move normally. And that's what scares me.

 

[voyager]

From what I understand, and what has been reported so far, SN is pretty much reversible right till the end. Of course, there is some caution that it could cause damage before death but that's the plan, right? Truth is we don't know, but so far no one has reported lasting damage afaik.

I too thought about doing it in the woods. I actually worried some deer might drink my second dose and suffer or I might spill it in panic or accident, so I thought maybe a jar with a lid would do the trick for the second dose.

PS: I too worried about a report of someone going blind, and that would be a nightmare in the woods but that's why I'd be out there, so I can't be helped. Would tie a string to a rope for hanging.

 

[raindrops]

What kind do you need?
Would this work or am I being stupid here
https://cheesemakingshop.co.uk/shop...MIkv_woryi7AIVj9_tCh2uWgVFEAQYAyABEgJtZPD_BwE

 

[anxivoid]

From what I understand, and what has been reported so far, SN is pretty much reversible right till the end. Of course, there is some caution that it could cause damage before death but that's the plan, right? Truth is we don't know, but so far no one has reported lasting damage afaik.

I too thought about doing it in the woods. I actually worried some deer might drink my second dose and suffer or I might spill it in panic or accident, so I thought maybe a jar with a lid would do the trick for the second dose.

PS: I too worried about a report of someone going blind, and that would be a nightmare in the woods but that's why I'd be out there, so I can't be helped. Would tie a string to a rope for hanging.

Wow, even blindness? + 1 fear.

What kind do you need?
Would this work or am I being stupid here
https://cheesemakingshop.co.uk/shop...MIkv_woryi7AIVj9_tCh2uWgVFEAQYAyABEgJtZPD_BwE

Wait, it's Sodium NitrAte! You need Nitrite, Nano2.

 

[Spitfire]

I meant, that you will have damage because you just won't get to the hospital. And most likely you won't even be able to get to the house/nearest road, etc. In all unsuccessful cases, people went to the hospital and received treatment. But we don't know what will happen if you drink a fatal dose and don't get treatment.

There is not much out there on the long term effects of surviving sn poisoning.

I saw an MRI comparing CO and SN poisonings. The results were similar between the two scans. The deep grey matter was damaged in the same areas for both CO and SN poisoning, controlling muscle movements, speech, gcs, etc..

I would like to see more literature and text about sn poisoning come out from the medical community.

It is interesting to me.

 

[anxivoid]

I saw an MRI comparing CO and SN poisonings. The results were similar between the two scans. The deep grey matter was damaged in the same areas for both CO and SN poisoning, controlling muscle movements, speech, gcs, etc..

Well, we all know what that means, right?

 

[Spitfire]

Well, we all know what that means, right?

If incidentally found.. gastric lavage and activated charcoal + IV methylene blue administered over five minutes and then back to normal in a few days?

 

[anxivoid]

If incidentally found.. gastric lavage and activated charcoal + IV methylene blue administered over five minutes and then back to normal in a few days?

Probably. But I'm talking about a case in which you don't get medical attention.

 

[k75]

You can always dig a little and make a level spot! Or premeasure but not mix the second glass. But you know, people always talk about making extra doses in case of vomiting or whatever, but I can't recall ever seeing anyone actually say they drank more than one. That didn't even start out being a thing. Just someone (I think it might have been Stan) said they were going to do it and suddenly everyone from then on acted like that was a vital and useful part of the process.

Failure cases involving SN usually are the result of being found too early or not drinking enough or drinking it too slowly, causing unconsciousness without ingesting the full dose. Alone like that, you aren't likely to get rescued before it works, so I'd say you don't have as much to fear as you're thinking as long as you do everything correctly. And either you die or you recover... The body can theoretically overcome methemoglobinemia if it has time, which is why it's important to make everything happen quickly and overwhelm your system.

Wow, even blindness? + 1 fear.

Negligible risk to fear... I only ever saw one person report that a long time ago, and after much discussion it really seemed like they were not blind so much as fading in and out of consciousness or were too disoriented to realize their eyes were closed. Also, vision supposedly came back. It was also questionable because many people asked for elaboration specifically about the claims of being blind but were basically ignored, and that specific thing was just briefly mentioned much later in the account. Something like that seems like it would be worth a bit more than just an afterthought, and I honestly don't believe that's what actually happened. It's not a known side effect of SN, anyway.

 

[anxivoid]

Thank you for such a detailed answer ^^
I just came up with a new idea, lol. To do this while sitting on the pier at night. Like leaning forward a little and holding on to the pier itself. And when I lose consciousness, I will fall into the water. And this is 100% death, I guess. Suggestions, doubts?

 

[k75]

I hope it helps ease your mind somewhat. This is also my method, so I spend a lot of time thinking about it. This whole thing is a scary subject with a lot of unknowns.

 

[Ghost2211]

Hi fried, as @k75 said you can easily dig a flat enough spot in the ground. You can also prepare the SN ahead of time and put in closed water bottles. If the SN failed (which is highly unlikely if done right) you would wake up able to function. Medical care is needed for recovery, but if you intend for a second go that is irrelevant. The concern is extended deoxygenation and organ/tissue damage, but you would wake up able to walk, think, and function. You might feel ill or off, but would be able to prepare or use another serving just fine.

 

[anxivoid]

So, frens, what do you think?

I just came up with a new idea, lol. To do this while sitting on the pier at night. Like leaning forward a little and holding on to the pier itself. And when I lose consciousness, I will fall into the water. And this is 100% death, I guess. Suggestions, doubts?

 

[Ghost2211]

So, frens, what do you think?

I would be concerned about falling the wrong way, so not the water. The other major concern there is you fall in the water while dizzy but still very much conscious, and you drown. Sure, you would die, but who wants die like that...

 

[anxivoid]

I would be concerned about falling the wrong way, so not the water. The other major concern there is you fall in the water while dizzy but still very much conscious, and you drown. Sure, you would die, but who wants die like that...

Well, right. So still don't know where to do it.

 

[k75]

I agree with everything Rosey said. And this is just me, but I never liked the idea of combining methods like that. I think you have less chance of failure if you keep things simple and just focus on doing one thing right. The more variables you add into the mix, the more things can go wrong, you know?

 

[StateOfMind]

If you have doubt then probably best not. Wait till it's really bad and only use it as a last resort.

I disagree with this. How long should they wait, until OP no longer has the ability to ctb?

 

[Ghost2211]

Well, right. So still don't know where to do it.

Wherever you're comfortable. You're over thinking it a bit.

 

[anxivoid]

Wherever you're comfortable. You're over thinking it a bit.

Yeah, I think I'm paranoid of something will go wrong.

 

[Ghost2211]

Yeah, I think I'm paranoid of something will go wrong.

I have that fear as well, but the only real way to handle that is plan and prepare carefully.

 

[Silver]

Thank you for such a detailed answer ^^
I just came up with a new idea, lol. To do this while sitting on the pier at night. Like leaning forward a little and holding on to the pier itself. And when I lose consciousness, I will fall into the water. And this is 100% death, I guess. Suggestions, doubts?

If by pier you mean a structure found in seaside towns, then surely more people would be around to see you if you fell into the water or would wonder what is going on if you didn't fall into the water?

Being 'in nature' means less likely to be discovered unless you're on a trail. And like someone else wrote: the SN can be pre-mixed at home and carried to the spot of your choice in a sealed jar.

 

[k75]

I'm really bad about overthinking and endlessly planning, but there's a point where you have to just trust certain things or move on. I gave up my preferred method because I couldn't make it what I considered foolproof. With SN, the hard work is figured out for you. You have to find a time and place that feels right, but it shouldn't be complicated.

 

[anxivoid]

If by pier you mean a structure found in seaside towns, then surely more people would be around to see you if you fell into the water or would wonder what is going on if you didn't fall into the water?

Being 'in nature' means less likely to be discovered unless you're on a trail. And like someone else wrote: the SN can be pre-mixed at home and carried to the spot of your choice in a sealed jar.

Well, there are places not far from me, beaches, where people are unlikely to be at night, this is outside the city. Well, sometimes they are there in the evening, but they shouldn't be at night.
I still don't know about doing this in nature. For some reason, it seems to me not entirely comfortable with this option.

 

[Ghost2211]

I would just go to a hotel.