They say that dying by suicide transfers your pain to others...

[illmissmydogthatsit]

But I sincerely believe the pain my loved ones would feel would be no match to the pain I feel every day. It would transfer some of the pain I guess, but not all of it. I literally feel like the devil is in me and wants me to kill myself. That's literally what it feels like. There's no way my family and certainly my extended family would feel as bad as that... like I don't think normal people's brains are capable of producing this level of pain.

 

[CentreMid]

Those that say "please don't do it, it'll make me sad!" are only trying to convince you not to die for their own selfish reasons. You're right, they will never truly know your suffering. I'm not religious or even spiritual for that matter, so I don't feel like I'm qualified to comment on your experiences with the devil (my apologies), but my personal philosophy aligns with the thinking that, if your loved ones truly supported you, they wouldn't try to guilt trip you in this manner.

I mean yes, it's always sad when someone we know passes away, but instead of making your death about themselves, it would be more productive and less selfish for your loved ones to celebrate the fact that you were no longer suffering. Of course, it's a near impossible task to convince those who are not suicidal to consider that, especially if they resort to guilt-tripping, which is a shame.

Anywho, I hope you find peace. Take care.

 

[ChildrensITV]

At this point, I gotta look out for myself. I am a burden to myself and others. At least when I am dead, I won't be a burden to anyone.

 

[Sprite_Geist]

Society: "Nobody is responsible for your feelings, snowflake! You're upset because we mistreated you? Tough. We're not gonna change to suit you; we don't have to be nice."

Also society: "Suicide is wrong because it hurts the feelings of others. How dare you cause us this pain! Don't you care about other people?!?"

 

[SilentSadness]

Society: "Nobody is responsible for your feelings, snowflake! You're upset because we mistreated you? Tough. We're not gonna change to suit you; we don't have to be nice."

Also society: "Suicide is wrong because it hurts the feelings of others. How dare you cause us this pain! Don't you care about other people?!?"

The entire argument is nonsense anyway, the idea that we are obliged to protect the feelings of others is a new and twisted idea. It's not considered mentally ill or wrong to abandon and cut contact with someone, but the only difference to suicide is that there is no death involved. This is why the argument makes no sense. The idea of suicide being morally wrong is such an authoritarian view. And many people who ctb here go out of their way to leave notes as well.

 

[illmissmydogthatsit]

Those that say "please don't do it, it'll make me sad!" are only trying to convince you not to die for their own selfish reasons. You're right, they will never truly know your suffering. I'm not religious or even spiritual for that matter, so I don't feel like I'm qualified to comment on your experiences with the devil (my apologies), but my personal philosophy aligns with the thinking that, if your loved ones truly supported you, they wouldn't try to guilt trip you in this manner.

I mean yes, it's always sad when someone we know passes away, but instead of making your death about themselves, it would be more productive and less selfish for your loved ones to celebrate the fact that you were no longer suffering. Of course, it's a near impossible task to convince those who are not suicidal to consider that, especially if they resort to guilt-tripping, which is a shame.

Anywho, I hope you find peace. Take care.

I'm not religious either I just used the devil as a metaphor. I completely agree, people do not understand the difference between "sad" and "suicidal". And the difference is like night and day. It's crazy.

 

[lookingforsanctuary]

This is what worries me though. I don't want to cause pain to those I love.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I think it's the most cruel tactic to keep us here when they say that. It's kind of reduntant anyway. I very much doubt people considering suicide haven't already thought a great deal about the impact it may have on people left behind. Plus- it's almost said as if your primary motive for doing it is to hurt others- when it REALLY isn't. All we want to do is to escape lives that we find intolerable.

The flipping crisis line said something along the same lines to me! I had to talk to them after all those SN police checks. Honestly- I was furious- I've had ideation for 33 years- to varying degrees. I've hung on all that time so as not to hurt others. It REALLY pissed me off that this person was like- think how much it will hurt the people in your life. I don't respond well to emotional blackmail...

I REALLY wish people would actually seriously contemplate what it takes to make someone want to end their life. Even if they don't understand the reasoning- I wish they'd just consider how it might feel to be that unhappy and desperate to be free.

My Mum died of natural causes when I was 3. Obviously- I would loved to have known her but my Dad has said in the past- you wouldn't wish her back- if you knew the pain she was in at the last. She really suffered- it must have been a release for her when she went. I wish people could see it that way when people CTB. They left because they were struggling and suffering SO much. Why would they want them back- just to continue living with all that pain? I wish they could be happy that their loved ones aren't struggling anymore.

I think the problem with non physical illness- where you're not crippled up with pain in bed- is that people just don't see it- so- I suppose they just don't believe it. It's kind of odd really though- how many people REALLY consider suicide flippantly? I mean- I think when the decision has been seriously considered- it can pop in your head flippantly but I think those initial thoughts and many that come after are very serious and very thought out.

 

[illmissmydogthatsit]

I think it's the most cruel tactic to keep us here when they say that. It's kind of reduntant anyway. I very much doubt people considering suicide haven't already thought a great deal about the impact it may have on people left behind. Plus- it's almost said as if your primary motive for doing it is to hurt others- when it REALLY isn't. All we want to do is to escape lives that we find intolerable.

The flipping crisis line said something along the same lines to me! I had to talk to them after all those SN police checks. Honestly- I was furious- I've had ideation for 33 years- to varying degrees. I've hung on all that time so as not to hurt others. It REALLY pissed me off that this person was like- think how much it will hurt the people in your life. I don't respond well to emotional blackmail...

I REALLY wish people would actually seriously contemplate what it takes to make someone want to end their life. Even if they don't understand the reasoning- I wish they'd just consider how it might feel to be that unhappy and desperate to be free.

My Mum died of natural causes when I was 3. Obviously- I would loved to have known her but my Dad has said in the past- you wouldn't wish her back- if you knew the pain she was in at the last. She really suffered- it must have been a release for her when she went. I wish people could see it that way when people CTB. They left because they were struggling and suffering SO much. Why would they want them back- just to continue living with all that pain? I wish they could be happy that their loved ones aren't struggling anymore.

I think the problem with non physical illness- where you're not crippled up with pain in bed- is that people just don't see it- so- I suppose they just don't believe it. It's kind of odd really though- how many people REALLY consider suicide flippantly? I mean- I think when the decision has been seriously considered- it can pop in your head flippantly but I think those initial thoughts and many that come after are very serious and very thought out.

Yes people truly don't understand what the pain is like. I mean, I've had depression since I was 12 (21 now). I have experienced both mild and severe depression, and learned the hard way that there is no limit to how bad depression can get. People just do not understand that "sad" doesn't begin to cover it. And it can go on for years on that level. It is the same as having a physical illness, although it is invisible. I actually do have a physical illness (bad tinnitus that never stops) and it messes with my head even more. And it's just as invisible as mental illness:/ One of my main reasons for CTB. I hear you. Hang in there :(( I had a crisis line just assume my problem was situational like I was breaking down over a boy or something... they're really not always the best://

 

[FuneralCry]

And anyway, even if it makes other people feel sad, none of us are obligated to continue existing here, we all have to die and lose everything eventually, it's just inevitable, grief and loss are just an inevitable part of existing here. Suicide is a human right and it would be cruel to expect someone to suffer so unnecessarily against their wishes especially as we only exist in the first place as a result of the selfish decisions of other people to procreate.

 

[favouriteworstnight]

I feel the same. I know people close to me will be sad, but I feel like they'll get over it and move on because that's what most people do. And honestly, I'm not going to be here to feel guilt or regret. Call me selfish, but I won't live a miserable life for the sake of others.

 

[leavingsoon99]

They also say "it gets better". We could sit here and chop up the many hypocritical platitudes of human society all night. I'm done debating the rightness or wrongness of suicide. Life warriors will never see it my way, and I will never see things their way. Death scares humans. So, humans will concoct any idea that makes one question its herd psychology. The same people who shout "LIFE DON'T OWE YOU SHIT!!!" are also the ones spouting the "you'll hurt other people" narrative. I've long tuned out those voices. Life's value varies from person to person. To me, it's worthless.

 

[pickajack]

Sure. And being born transfers the pain of all your parents unresolved bullshit and that of the world at large onto you.