Discussion There's no reason to cbt?

[ASwissGuy99]

Why are there some people who claim. That suicide is never ever justified and understandable, no matter what illness, sickness. Disability, circumstances?

And that there's always hope for a good and nice future no matter what, so suicide is never ever justified they say.

I disagree with them, any it seems most of them are healthy and able bodied, so they would never understanx Jo's it is to be disabled, chronically I'll etc.

But because there are some token disabled whl are successful like Stephen hawking. They think anyone can become successful no matter what by hard work.

Is it even possible to convince a pro lifer thatg suicide sometimes is rational?

 

[SilentSadness]

There is no use trying to convince them otherwise, they will believe what they want and trying to change their mind just puts you at risk. They have not felt the kind of pain a lot of us go through so they don't feel as desperate to avoid it, also they are very single-minded so they don't want to think about death at all. The idea that everyone has a nice life is demonstrably false, not only is there evidence against all throughout history but even the best lives are full of unnecessary and unbearable suffering. I hope you don't have to bear such pain for much longer.

 

[guayabas]

Why are there some people who claim. That suicide is never ever justified and understandable, no matter what illness, sickness. Disability, circumstances?

And that there's always hope for a good and nice future no matter what, so suicide is never ever justified they say.

I disagree with them, any it seems most of them are healthy and able bodied, so they would never understanx Jo's it is to be disabled, chronically I'll etc.

But because there are some token disabled whl are successful like Stephen hawking. They think anyone can become successful no matter what by hard work.

Is it even possible to convince a pro lifer thatg suicide sometimes is rational?

it's probs not a good use of time or energy trying to change their minds. probs most of those ppl think ctb would be justified for themselves, but not anyone else. just like abortion and cheating on their wives or whatever

 

[FuneralCry]

Life in itself is enough of a reason to exit this world and suicide could never need a reason anyway. I believe that wanting suicide is simply a logical response to being forced into this world so unfairly, and those who are against the right to die are clearly insane. I don't care about what delusional people think, I view it as always being preferable to not exist. Nobody can be harmed by death after all, and life is the source of all suffering. I could never be delusional enough to want to exist in this world filled with risks and harm where we are just destined to decay from age.

 

[PoisonousPotato]

"one day you could feel better" hides "and then after you could feel way worse" .

i wish people understood that, and i wish they knew happiness does not negate past pain

 

[NambaSutra]

Some of them are religious. They think "god" has sent them to prevent people from killing themselves.

 

[guayabas]

Some of them are religious. They think "god" has sent them to prevent people from killing themselves.

ironically they're driving some of us closer to ctb. a lot of ppl just need a place to vent and be understood and not feel so alone. invalidating ppl and acting superior to them is the opposite of helpful.

 

[amoonschizo]

it's weird so many people have that "pro-lifer" mind-set imo. Some people truly haven't experienced a moment of genuine suffering and can't comprehend that some people can't take the misery they've been dealt. The way that I see it they are the selfish and self absorbed ones. How close minded do you have to be that to some there is truly no way out, specifically when it comes to people who have more to struggle with than just "depression." There needs to be more mentally stable people getting into psychology because the way they see those that end up CTB is alarming.

 

[CentreMid]

Why are there some people who claim. That suicide is never ever justified and understandable, no matter what illness, sickness. Disability, circumstances?

And that there's always hope for a good and nice future no matter what, so suicide is never ever justified they say.

I disagree with them, any it seems most of them are healthy and able bodied, so they would never understanx Jo's it is to be disabled, chronically I'll etc.

But because there are some token disabled whl are successful like Stephen hawking. They think anyone can become successful no matter what by hard work.

Is it even possible to convince a pro lifer thatg suicide sometimes is rational?

For the most part, no. It's best to steer clear of any topics related to suicide with those people. They will not listen nor will they want to

 

[WorthlessCoward]

Maybe because that's what they want to believe

Why would you waste your time arguing is the question you should be asking yourself

 

[Forever Sleep]

I guess I wonder just how much of it is a genuine wish for us to be able to enjoy life- when they must realise that this is largely just wishful thinking. Some people's problems must look obviously impossible to solve- even to pro lifers. I wonder how much of it is largely selfish- 'You can't leave ME- you can't do this to ME.'

I do think that losing a loved one- losing anyone really can be devastating and I suspect suicide is likely even worse to experience because in effect- that person chose to do it. For whatever reason- the people around them weren't enough for them to stay. I expect- seeing as they likely don't understand just how bad it feels to be in this situation- they likely struggle with this. Guilt maybe that they could have done more to help, sadness at the loss and that they couldn't help- even if they tried. Maybe even anger that they have been 'made' to feel all that. I wonder just how much of suicide prevention is to try and spare the people left behind this grief.

Also bear in mind that it is the families left behind that have the power to sue. Sue the companies that provided the lethal means. Sue medical establishments maybe for failing to protect their 'vulnerable' relative.

Plus, a part of me wonders on a larger scale whether the powers that be feel like they have to prevent every suicide that they can- perhaps fearing that if lots of people start suceeding- it will pave the way for others to. I expect this is especially the case with legalising assisted suicide- especially if it ever becomes available to people who are not ill (which I doubt.) Governments don't want to suddenly start losing their able bodied workers in swathes.

 

[Viranamari]

There's no point interacting with such people. They force their own opinions and beliefs on others. Suicide doesn't need a 'valid' reason. The fact that you are brought to this world is a reason itself. However, there are some people whose loved ones had CTB. CTB is definitely not easy for loved ones so that might be how one formed their belief.