Discussion There’s enough on this planet for everyone’s needs but not everyone’s greed.

[Red Scare]

Ok keep advocating for a system that leaves sick peoples to die in the street, because you're such a good person.

 

[Depressed Cat]

And you, deluded commie propagandist, you don't even try to deny the fact that hundreds of millions were slaughtered in cold blood by your beloved bloody Red commie tyrants, because you are so proud of their heinous crimes against humanity. It only shows what kind of people become advocates for commie totalitarianism.

I have seen enough commies in real life in my country to know that commies are scum of the Earth.

 

[Lost Magic]

 

[Red Scare]

hundreds of millions were slaughtered in cold blood

That is not a fact. The only deluded one here is you. Capitalism is responsible for the deaths of literally billions of people. You can't refute a single instance of this happening in those memes I posted above. And yet the so called black book of communism has been debunked by every serious historian.

Like I said, you are impossible to take seriously. You become emotionally heated and cannot even type a coherent thought. Get back to me when you want to have a serious discussion or debate on the matter, for now I will ignore you.

What a weirdo.

 

[Depressed Cat]

That is not a fact. The only deluded one here is you. Capitalism is responsible for the deaths of literally billions of people. You can't refute a single instance of this happening in those memes I posted above. And yet the so called black book of communism has been debunked by every serious historian.

Like I said, you are impossible to take seriously. You become emotionally heated and cannot even type a coherent thought. Get back to me when you want to have a serious discussion or debate on the matter, for now I will ignore you.

What a weirdo.

Not a fact, says the uncouth commie liar. And then proceeds to shamelessly lie! You know what, bloodthirsty commie, everyone knows commies are among the most evil genocidal mass-murderers ever known to humankind! Communism is the Red plague, worse than any plague that has afflicted humankind throughout history.

Crimes against humanity under communist regimes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Mass killings under communist regimes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'm not surprised at all. I have seen commies in real life in my own country. They are the filthiest, most detestable, bloodthirsty, shameless, unscrupulous, mass-murdering rogues my country has ever produced, and my country has produced many different kinds of scum. To be the worst among such scum takes a special, unfathomable, extremely depraved level of evil, and commies are just that!

It looks like commies elsewhere are just as evil as the bloodthirsty Red commie bastards in my country. Not surprising at all!

 

[bad luck]

Impressive how a topic that could be interesting has gone to shit because of the political ideas of each other.

 

[Lost Magic]

Impressive how a topic that could be interesting has gone to shit because of the political ideas of each other.

exactly, the worst of it is, these political parties are separating more people to keep them in power. All the media talks about is the far left, the left, the right, the far right. No wonder people can't engage in civil discourse these days. They have totally enslaved the masses with their divisive bullshit. We are taught to think inside a narrow box, not outside of one. haha no wonder we can't think of new ideas or tap into existing good ones.

 

[Red Scare]

Crimes against humanity under communist regimes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Mass killings under communist regimes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Did you actually read those articles?

From the article you posted:

The concept of connecting disparate killings to the status of the communist regimes which committed them and the concept of trying to ascribe common causes and factors has been met with both support and criticism from the academic community, some academics view it as an indictment of communism as an ideology, while other academics view it as being overly simplistic or rooted in anti-communism.

According to professor of history Klas Goren-Karlsson, discussion of the number of victims of communist regimes has been "extremely extensive and ideologically biased."

Any attempt to estimate a total number of killings under communist regimes depends greatly on definitions, and the idea to group together different countries such as Afghanistan and Hungary has no adequate explanation.

Scholars of communism have mainly focused on individual countries, and genocide scholars have attempted to provide a more global perspective, while maintaining that their goal is not reliability

Soviet specialists Michael Ellman and J. Arch Getty have criticized the estimates for relying on emigre sources, hearsay, and rumor as evidence, and cautioned that historians should instead utilize archive material. Such scholars distinguish between historians who base their research on archive materials, and those whose estimates are based on witnesses evidence and other data that is unreliable. Soviet specialist Steven G Wheatcroft says that historians relied on Solzhenitsyn to support their higher estimates but research in the state archives vindicated the lower estimates, while adding that the popular press has continued to include serious errors that should not be cited, or relied on, in academia. Rummel was also another widely used and cited source but not reliable about estimates.

Criticism of the estimates are mostly focused on three aspects, namely that the estimates are based on sparse and incomplete data when significant errors are inevitable, the figures are skewed to higher possible values. Criticism of the high-end estimates such as Rummel's have focused on two aspects, namely his choice of data sources and his statistical approach. Historical sources Rummel based his estimates upon can rarely serve as sources of reliable figures.

The article goes on to list several different figures which cannot even be agreed on after pointing out how biased the people are who came up with those numbers and noting that they did not use good sources. The black book of communism has been debunked by every serious historian.

commies are among the most evil genocidal mass-murderers ever known to humankind! Communism is the Red plague, worse than any plague that has afflicted humankind throughout history.

the filthiest, most detestable, bloodthirsty, shameless, unscrupulous, mass-murdering rogues

as evil as the bloodthirsty Red commie bastards in my country.

You are a joke. A clown. You do know that capitalism has killed over a billion people? Do I need to repost those memes I posted earlier, or do you have a problem with your reading comprehension? Or are you just a gigantic hypocrite?

Each year, 8,000,000 people die from lack of clean water, a further 7,665,000 people die from hunger, 3,000,000 people die from curable diseases, every year! This is all because of capitalism. We have enough food to feed everyone, we could provide clean water to those people, we could provide healthcare to those people, and we don't, because it all costs money. That is capitalism for you. Killing 190,000,000 every ten years and letting them starve to death or die from an easily curable disease.

I have seen commies in real life in my own country.

Hmm, according to a recent pew research poll: 75% of Russians Say Soviet Era Was 'Greatest Time' in Country's History. When asked to name the things they associate with the Soviet era, respondents pointed to "future stability and confidence" and said they associated it with "a good life in the country."

Russian respondents said "the state took care of ordinary people" when asked to name the defining characteristics of Soviet rule. Russian respondents described late 1970s-early 1980s Soviet rule as "close to people" when offered a list of choices. When asked to characterize Russia's current leadership, half called it "criminal and corrupt" and "distant from the people and alien."

The absence of ethnic conflicts as well as economic growth and lack of unemployment were the second and third-most common responses. Constantly improving living conditions and advancements in science and culture placed fourth and fifth in Russians' ranking of Soviet life.

Russians tend to view the Soviet era in a mostly positive light, and their personal memories of that time are of social stability, confidence in the future and a good life. The Soviet era is seen as a time of high living standards, and as a time of justice. Today's capitalism is viewed as unfair: the injustice is in distribution, access to goods and infrastructure. And this feeling is growing stronger.

More than 6-in-10 Russians consider it a "great misfortune that the Soviet Union no longer exists." Just 22% in Russia say ordinary people have benefited from the changes since 1991, while a majority say life is worse than it was under communism. Russians are convinced that the economic situation was better under communism. And in Bulgaria, and Ukraine, more than half believe the economic situation is worse today than it was under communism.

Majorities in all the former Soviet orbit countries surveyed say politicians and business people have benefited the most since the fall of communism. And in all cases, more people say political and business leaders have prospered than say changes have benefited ordinary people.

 

[Depressed Cat]

You are a joke. A clown.

So says the bloodthirsty commie goon, the vicious, lying propagandist of the bloody Red commie horde!

Listen, you bloodthirsty commie, I don't need to hear your vile commie propaganda to know that commies are the scum of humankind. Communism is the Red plague that is worse than any mediæval plague that has ever afflicted humankind.

I have seen commies with my own eyes in my country. They are bloodthirsty mass-murderers who have killed tens of thousands of innocents in my country alone, and my country was never even a fully commie country.

Commie scum have indeed butchered hundreds of millions of innocents throughout the world through their reign of sheer Red terror which is still continuing in China, North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba etc.

Commies are worthless totalitarian scum that destroy everything they infect. Communism is a filthy economic ideology that turns everyone destitute. The perfect example of pure communism in action is North Korea.

North Korea is a commie "paradise", one that follows pure communism. It is the most miserable place on Earth for humans to live. North Korea and South Korea were the same after WW II, same peninsula, same people, same language, same culture.

Yet South Korea became free, civilised, democratic and followed liberal capitalism in the years that followed, and South Korea is now a First World country, on par with, or better than many First World countries in many aspects. South Korean engineering and technology are among the world's best. South Korean companies manufacture some of the best products that are used all over the world. South Korean art, music and cinema are superb and have a good fan following in many countries.

You know what, bloodthirsty commie, I utilise the fruits of a free, civilised, democratic & liberal capitalist South Korea every single day of my life, as do billions of others! Free, civilised, democratic & liberal capitalist South Korea has not only helped its own people become a part of the First World, it has also ensured that billions of other humans across the world benefit from it as well!

I drive a car manufactured by a South Korean company (Hyundai or Kia or Genesis or Ssangyong or Renault-Samsung or GM-Daewoo), I have ridden motorcycles manufactured by South Korean companies (Hyosung & Daelim), I use and have used phones, tablets & laptops made by South Korean companies (Samsung, LG & Pantech), I sit in a room that has an air-conditioner made by a South Korean company (Samsung or LG), the refrigerator, washing machine and dishwasher I use are all manufactured by South Korean companies (LG and Samsung), the television I use is made by a South Korean company (Samsung or LG or Hyundai or Daewoo), many other electronics I use have chips, electronic components & batteries made by South Korean companies (SK, Samsung, LG Chem etc.), I use South Korean hand-held diagnostics at work, South Korean construction equipment was used to construct my workplace building, I eat delicious confectionery made by South Korean companies (Lotte and Orion), I have watched, listened to & enjoyed South Korean movies and music. The list doesn't end, for it just goes on and on!

See the benefits of a free, civilised, democratic and liberal capitalist country, not only for its own citizens, but also the rest of humankind?

Now, let's see what your beloved commie hellhole North Korea has to offer humankind. The answer, deluded commie, is NOTHING! Absolutely nothing beneficial or good or useful to humankind! Forget making useful things for humankind, North Korea doesn't even grow enough food to feed the North Korean people, and many have to starve regularly or eat grass & roots in order to survive. Like poor animals! That's what pure communism ever does to those countries and peoples it infects. It destroys them, reduces them to the level of animals, tortures them and slaughters them in cold blood.

The differences between totalitarian communism and a free, civilised, democratic & liberal capitalism cannot be more clearer and starker than the differences between commie hellhole North Korea and free, civilised, democratic & liberal capitalist South Korea.

Only a shockingly low IQed moron or a bloodthirsty Red commie pig would fail to see the differences between a pure commie hellhole like North Korea and a civilised country like South Korea.

 

[Lost Magic]

We need to just

 

[GrumpyFrog]

A lot of things in this world are very wrong. Humanity is deeply troubled. That is why communist utopia where everyone shares with the others and everyone has their needs fulfilled is almost certainly unachievable. It was possible to acheive some things in some places (and it always had a price that average people had to pay, sacrificing one thing to get another), but ultimately none of the real world regimes came anywhere close to this utopia, with people in power consistently ending up greedy and willing to take advantage of those they rule over for their own benefit. Which is probably just human nature.

 

[summers]

When you're living in a tent city, wearing rags, no technology, and eating slop, you can quote bullshit like this.

Otherwise, the rest of us want to live a normal life, in a solid structure, wearing nice clothes, eating real food, having a phone and computer, car to drive, and able to travel. That's not greed, that's living a normal life.

 

[the_town_manager]

I can't imagine being a cheerleader for either communism or capitalism. Just... why? Both are deeply flawed. Because humanity is deeply flawed. Do even suicidal people need to believe that this world can be fixed?

 

[summers]

I can't imagine being a cheerleader for either communism or capitalism. Just... why? Both are deeply flawed. Because humanity is deeply flawed. Do even suicidal people need to believe that this world can be fixed?

Even non-suicidal people don't need to worry. We can't change shit, so live your life, enjoy yourself, and stop worrying.

 

[Red Scare]

So says the bloodthirsty commie goon, the vicious, lying propagandist of the bloody Red commie horde!

Listen, you bloodthirsty commie, I don't need to hear your vile commie propaganda to know that commies are the scum of humankind. Communism is the Red plague that is worse than any mediæval plague that has ever afflicted humankind.

I have seen commies with my own eyes in my country. They are bloodthirsty mass-murderers who have killed tens of thousands of innocents in my country alone, and my country was never even a fully commie country.

Commie scum have indeed butchered hundreds of millions of innocents throughout the world through their reign of sheer Red terror which is still continuing in China, North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba etc.

Commies are worthless totalitarian scum that destroy everything they infect. Communism is a filthy economic ideology that turns everyone destitute. The perfect example of pure communism in action is North Korea.

North Korea is a commie "paradise", one that follows pure communism. It is the most miserable place on Earth for humans to live. North Korea and South Korea were the same after WW II, same peninsula, same people, same language, same culture.

Yet South Korea became free, civilised, democratic and followed liberal capitalism in the years that followed, and South Korea is now a First World country, on par with, or better than many First World countries in many aspects. South Korean engineering and technology are among the world's best. South Korean companies manufacture some of the best products that are used all over the world. South Korean art, music and cinema are superb and have a good fan following in many countries.

You know what, bloodthirsty commie, I utilise the fruits of a free, civilised, democratic & liberal capitalist South Korea every single day of my life, as do billions of others! Free, civilised, democratic & liberal capitalist South Korea has not only helped its own people become a part of the First World, it has also ensured that billions of other humans across the world benefit from it as well!

I drive a car manufactured by a South Korean company (Hyundai or Kia or Genesis or Ssangyong or Renault-Samsung or GM-Daewoo), I have ridden motorcycles manufactured by South Korean companies (Hyosung & Daelim), I use and have used phones, tablets & laptops made by South Korean companies (Samsung, LG & Pantech), I sit in a room that has an air-conditioner made by a South Korean company (Samsung or LG), the refrigerator, washing machine and dishwasher I use are all manufactured by South Korean companies (LG and Samsung), the television I use is made by a South Korean company (Samsung or LG or Hyundai or Daewoo), many other electronics I use have chips, electronic components & batteries made by South Korean companies (SK, Samsung, LG Chem etc.), I use South Korean hand-held diagnostics at work, South Korean construction equipment was used to construct my workplace building, I eat delicious confectionery made by South Korean companies (Lotte and Orion), I have watched, listened to & enjoyed South Korean movies and music. The list doesn't end, for it just goes on and on!

See the benefits of a free, civilised, democratic and liberal capitalist country, not only for its own citizens, but also the rest of humankind?

Now, let's see what your beloved commie hellhole North Korea has to offer humankind. The answer, deluded commie, is NOTHING! Absolutely nothing beneficial or good or useful to humankind! Forget making useful things for humankind, North Korea doesn't even grow enough food to feed the North Korean people, and many have to starve regularly or eat grass & roots in order to survive. Like poor animals! That's what pure communism ever does to those countries and peoples it infects. It destroys them, reduces them to the level of animals, tortures them and slaughters them in cold blood.

The differences between totalitarian communism and a free, civilised, democratic & liberal capitalism cannot be more clearer and starker than the differences between commie hellhole North Korea and free, civilised, democratic & liberal capitalist South Korea.

Only a shockingly low IQed moron or a bloodthirsty Red commie pig would fail to see the differences between a pure commie hellhole like North Korea and a civilised country like South Korea.

You said all of that already, you weirdo. I think you are probably a bot that has a limited range of responses.

I completely debunk the wiki articles you post, with quotes from those articles, and you just keep repeating the same old nonsense like a mental patient, or an npc.

North Korea is not communist, the Kims are revisionists, and they don't even follow Marxism anymore, but some kind of philosophy that Kim cooked up. I suppose you think they are a democratic republic too, because it's in the name?

China is also not communists, they have billionaires for crying out loud, and private property. You really don't know what communism is do you?

And I don't see millions upon millions being slaughtered in Cuba, what a joke you are.
Anyway, have fun ranting and raving at yourself like some kind of mad dog. Triggered much?

You keep going on and on about bloodthirsty murderous communists, while completely ignoring the more than 1,000,000,000 lives that have been taken by capitalism, if communism is evil and its critics believe uncritically and without evidence that it killed 100,000,000 people. How much more so is capitalism, which killed 100,000,000 every ten years? You hypocritical fuck. Or are you too stupid to know what that means?

But I doubt you will respond to that. You are so intellectually dishonest, and are quite clearly a very big hypocrite, you literally cannot participate in any sort of debate without raving like some mad man.

Like I said, you are impossible to take seriously.

 

[Depressed Cat]

Like I said, you are impossible to take seriously.

Hahaha! So says the bloodthirsty Red commie propagandist, the shameless apologist for the commie genocides and mass-murders that slaughtered hundreds of millions of innocents across the world, including tens of thousands in my own country!

North Korea is not communist? North Korea is the purest commie country in the entire world today! Nothing in the world is closer to pure communism today than the diabolically Red commie hellhole of North Korea.

China and Vietnam have abandoned the failed commie economic ideology, while Cuba is very slowly doing so. Even the barbaric Chinese and Vietnamese commie parties have realised what a filthy economic ideology communism is, and have abandoned it to a great extent, while still remaining politically commie authoritarian scum.

Poor commie propagandists! They try so hard to extoll communism while the entire world can see what a filthy Red commie hellhole North Korea is, and even the Chinese and Vietnamese commie parties have abandoned the evil economic ideology of filthy communism.

 

[summers]

@Red Scare there are almost 8 billion people in this world. Those numbers you mention don't mean shit in the grand scheme of things. Literally a billion people could disappear and the world world go on just fine. 100 million wouldn't even be noticed.

What does matter is that people should get to live how they want and that governments work for the people, not the other way around.

 

[GentleJerk]

I completely reject the idea that greed, selfishness, and disregard for the welfare of others and the environment, is some sort of innate, genetic human trait. These are learned behaviors, a product of the environment that people are raised in and live. Your environment shapes your behavior and your values.

If we apply science and tech to intelligently manage our resources, there certainly is enough for all.

When there is scarcity, that will inevitably generate animosity as people need to fight over the last cookie. Our economic system purposefully creates waste and scarcity.

Two examples: Kimberley Diamond Mines- when they get a larger than usual haul of diamonds after a mining operation, they burn off the excess diamonds into coal, to keep them valuable. If there was an abundance of diamonds, they wouldn't be worth as much $. So it makes economic sense to waste them in this way.

Some time ago, the Canadian military was due to buy new tanks after 10 years. They decided not to buy new tanks from the manufacturer when they were supposed to, because they said their old tanks were so well made, they still worked well and therefore Canada did not need to buy new ones yet. That manufacturer lost tens of millions of dollars because the tanks they made were too good!

Finding faults with solutions? Maybe things can never be perfect, as life is always evolving, in flux, and new challenges arise spontaneously- but we can certainly do so much better than this. We have to, otherwise we will destroy ourselves and the planet.

 

[Red Scare]

Hahaha! So says the bloodthirsty Red commie propagandist, the shameless apologist for the commie genocides and mass-murders that slaughtered hundreds of millions of innocents across the world, including tens of thousands in my own country!

North Korea is not communist? North Korea is the purest commie country in the entire world today! Nothing in the world is closer to pure communism today than the diabolically Red commie hellhole of North Korea.

China and Vietnam have abandoned the failed commie economic ideology, while Cuba is very slowly doing so. Even the barbaric Chinese and Vietnamese commie parties have realised what a filthy economic ideology communism is, and have abandoned it to a great extent, while still remaining politically commie authoritarian scum.

Poor commie propagandists! They try so hard to extoll communism while the entire world can see what a filthy Red commie hellhole North Korea is, and even the Chinese and Vietnamese commie parties have abandoned the evil economic ideology of filthy communism.

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[Depressed Cat]

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Hahaha!

Bloodthirsty Red commie propagandist is at a complete loss for words when confronted with the facts!

Here is a picture that exposes your satanic sub-human ideology of communism for what it is.



This is the Korean peninsula at night from space. Just look at the stark difference between filthy commie hellhole North Korea and free, civilised, democratic & liberal capitalist South Korea!

South Korea is lit up bright as day by the sheer economic activity throughout the country, bustling, ceaseless economic activity that makes civilised South Korea one of the most advanced & developed nations in the entire world.

By shocking contrast, commie hellhole North Korea is dark as a stinking dungeon, with a single tiny speck of light located at its primitive capital Pyongyang. The rest of the Red hellhole is in such complete darkness that the world wonders whether the hapless North Koreans even have electricity outside of Pyongyang. This is what the diabolical ideology of communism does to a nation. It submerges the entire country in sheer darkness, tortures and slaughters countless innocents and completely destroys the human spirit!

Commies are the filthiest scum that have ever inhabited this planet.

 

[GentleJerk]

@Depressed Cat Calm down pls, buddy.

So says the filthy commie pig!

Also, everybody knows it's "communist dog" and "capitalist pig". That's like, childish political name-calling 101.

 

[Depressed Cat]

@Depressed Cat Calm down pls, buddy.

I find it rather odd that you ask me to calm down, but completely ignored this comment by the vicious commie that triggered such a response in the first place

You're a real evil SOB, you know that?

So, it's okay for him to post such a despicable comment first, but I'm the one who needs to calm down, eh?

 

[GentleJerk]

Odd? Seems you posted "evil, satanic, barbarian" etc comment first to get that response, but whatever. I'm not on either side of this. I don't expect political discussions to be of much resolve.

Tbf everyone needs to calm down. Sick of this.

 

[Symbiote]

This is why we can't have a political forum because no one can play nice in a debate. Thread locked.