This is my opinion. And it applies only to a small minority of members.
Personally, I can very well understand the desire that suicide should be easier. Just an on or off switch. Similar to going to sleep. However, if death would be as easy as going to sleep the premises of our world would be turned around. We would see a completely different world. It seems likely that no living beings would exist if it was that easy. You can consider that preferable. There are arguments for that. I prefer of not waking up tommorow.
However, we cannot apply the logic of suicide as a button to turn on/ off on the conditions of the world we currently live in. I always wonder why pro-mortalists don't consider that fact. Or why many don't mind that factor. There will probably be some replies after this controversial post. Suicide simply is not straightforward in the vast majority of cases. For most people who commit suicide it is a decision after a hellish inner fight that tormented them over a long period of time.
My main argument is: the process of committing suicide is usually pretty painful. Personally, I will mostly refer to your own inner pain. There is also the impact on others but that's too often used to guilt-trip people. I am not sure on it. Personally, I feel worse when suicide is close in front of me. This is why I postponed it already a couple of times to go through with it. The intensity to face death was pretty frightening, overwhelming and scary. I think this is an experience many people make if they choose this route.
For me it seems rational not to expose oneself to the burden of the action. Which means all the preparations, fears, overthinking, anxieties etc. For the average Joe and Jane it does not seem reasonable to consider to go through this painful process of accepting one's own death, coming to peace with it. Of course people can commit suicide for philosophical reasons (for example) when they are pro-mortalists. But this is not the average Joe and Jane. I think I would recommend to the average Joe and Jane to keep on the boring average life and not to seriously consider to commit suicide. Usually it comes with a lot of suffering. Why should they consider suicide? So many on here are going through a living nightmare 24/7 for a couple of years (like me) and have not committed suicide so far. It is fucking difficult even if the pressure is unbearable. The pain has to be insane to overcome one's survival instinct. (in my most cases). Just to dig deep into suicide and to consider this action when you don't even follow this philosophy does not seem reasonable to me.
Be careful what you wish for. Personally, this is why I try to avoid suicide if possible. Looking death into its eyes was pretty overwhelming. It was painful as fuck. I think it might be a process where correlation and causation goes into both directions. If you are more suicidal it can increase your pain. (this is at least what certainly happens in my case). At the same time when you are in more pain you will probably feel more suicidal. But both of these statements are independent. The conclusion for my personal life is: I try to avoid the decision to commit suicide if I don't reach my pain limit. But I am close to my pain limit. And it seems like there is a threshold where it is not negotiable anymore. At the same time I would have never believed I would make it thus far as a 15 year old teenager watching suicides online envying the people who are now dead. I am glad I have stopped that behavior. In general I have doubts about the morals to watch gore now. Moreover, I am not sure whether envying is the right way to approach to this issue. I can be glad that their torment is over. But what do I know about the individual fates of the portrayed people? Why should I allow myself to judge these people and see them in one of their most intimate moments of their lives?
As a 15 year old I thought I would kill myself immediately if something major happened. Here more than a decade later after a decade full of torture I am still alive. The pain is more and more driving me to go through with my plans but it was a living hell thus far. Suicide is far from being easy. And acting as if it is was this easy is deceiving and will lead to a lot of unnecessary pain. But that's only my opinion.
By the way that's my 4.500 th post.
Personally, I can very well understand the desire that suicide should be easier. Just an on or off switch. Similar to going to sleep. However, if death would be as easy as going to sleep the premises of our world would be turned around. We would see a completely different world. It seems likely that no living beings would exist if it was that easy. You can consider that preferable. There are arguments for that. I prefer of not waking up tommorow.
However, we cannot apply the logic of suicide as a button to turn on/ off on the conditions of the world we currently live in. I always wonder why pro-mortalists don't consider that fact. Or why many don't mind that factor. There will probably be some replies after this controversial post. Suicide simply is not straightforward in the vast majority of cases. For most people who commit suicide it is a decision after a hellish inner fight that tormented them over a long period of time.
My main argument is: the process of committing suicide is usually pretty painful. Personally, I will mostly refer to your own inner pain. There is also the impact on others but that's too often used to guilt-trip people. I am not sure on it. Personally, I feel worse when suicide is close in front of me. This is why I postponed it already a couple of times to go through with it. The intensity to face death was pretty frightening, overwhelming and scary. I think this is an experience many people make if they choose this route.
For me it seems rational not to expose oneself to the burden of the action. Which means all the preparations, fears, overthinking, anxieties etc. For the average Joe and Jane it does not seem reasonable to consider to go through this painful process of accepting one's own death, coming to peace with it. Of course people can commit suicide for philosophical reasons (for example) when they are pro-mortalists. But this is not the average Joe and Jane. I think I would recommend to the average Joe and Jane to keep on the boring average life and not to seriously consider to commit suicide. Usually it comes with a lot of suffering. Why should they consider suicide? So many on here are going through a living nightmare 24/7 for a couple of years (like me) and have not committed suicide so far. It is fucking difficult even if the pressure is unbearable. The pain has to be insane to overcome one's survival instinct. (in my most cases). Just to dig deep into suicide and to consider this action when you don't even follow this philosophy does not seem reasonable to me.
Be careful what you wish for. Personally, this is why I try to avoid suicide if possible. Looking death into its eyes was pretty overwhelming. It was painful as fuck. I think it might be a process where correlation and causation goes into both directions. If you are more suicidal it can increase your pain. (this is at least what certainly happens in my case). At the same time when you are in more pain you will probably feel more suicidal. But both of these statements are independent. The conclusion for my personal life is: I try to avoid the decision to commit suicide if I don't reach my pain limit. But I am close to my pain limit. And it seems like there is a threshold where it is not negotiable anymore. At the same time I would have never believed I would make it thus far as a 15 year old teenager watching suicides online envying the people who are now dead. I am glad I have stopped that behavior. In general I have doubts about the morals to watch gore now. Moreover, I am not sure whether envying is the right way to approach to this issue. I can be glad that their torment is over. But what do I know about the individual fates of the portrayed people? Why should I allow myself to judge these people and see them in one of their most intimate moments of their lives?
As a 15 year old I thought I would kill myself immediately if something major happened. Here more than a decade later after a decade full of torture I am still alive. The pain is more and more driving me to go through with my plans but it was a living hell thus far. Suicide is far from being easy. And acting as if it is was this easy is deceiving and will lead to a lot of unnecessary pain. But that's only my opinion.
By the way that's my 4.500 th post.
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