There is no value in prolonging suffering.

[FuneralCry]

All that staying alive could ever be is just prolonging suffering all for the sake of it, at least to me there is no value in enduring this existence, instead there are only more ways in which for life to get more awful. There could never be a point to enduring these endless days just to deteriorate from old age and then just die eventually. Nobody can ever deny all of the cruelty and endless problems that exist in this world that will continue to repeat in a cycle as long as life is created, yet people do with their delusional beliefs.

People see suicide as being worse than every kind of life, but do they not realise that there is no value to having constant concerns and worries but as well as that life is just so useless and tedious. I mean the concept of life will always be an awful thing as bringing life into this world has inevitably created suffering in which nobody had any need for in the first place. Every problem that living beings have to deal with is completely unnecessary, yet they exist. The fact that people see life as being 'valuable' will just end up causing harm to others, and this is done by procreation but also by restricting peaceful suicide methods causing people to suffer so much more as they have to resort to less desirable methods.


If only suicide is easier and not so stigmatised then that would prevent unnecessary suffering. After all life is nothing more than a cruel mistake, and we never asked to be here so at least those who see no value in prolonging suffering should be able to have their wishes respected, without all of the secrecy involved and complicated method research.
Staying alive will always be the most pointless and terrible thing for me, but at least eventually, even if it's not anytime soon, I will find freedom from this existence. I refuse to reach old age.

 

[universe]

I completely agree with you. It is very difficult for me to understand why people persist in wanting to stay as long as possible. I don't know if it's a mechanism of denial : not realizing that the world is just violent. I hear a lot of people saying that life is beautiful. That of course, human beings are capable of the worst, but they are also capable of the best. The best in what? When the human being does something "good" it is always in his own interest. And again, often this leads to a negative action on other countries or other peoples, animals, the environment. Also that life is worth some suffering. It's ultimately quite subjective, I believe that my suffering/benefit balance leans more towards the suffering than the real benefits. What benefits?

In the same vein, people find it difficult to understand the suffering of other human beings, they realize it only when it has been present for years or when it is very intense. I think it is also a mechanism of denial, for example vis-à-vis the elderly. I take this example because it is visible, I do not even speak of the mental sufferings which are totally discredited. The fear of ending up as old people leads them to be in denial of the suffering that a sick body can cause. Old people can take years to die and during all this time they lose all autonomy, can no longer eat, breathe, go to the bathroom on their own. I have always realized this but obviously people are completely insensitive to the fact that a person may want euthanasia.

Or maybe it's just a survival instinct: it's completely "against nature" to wish to die, and ultimately our body and mind are simply a physical and psychological prison until we die. dead. It follows that suicide, euthanasia is extremely stigmatized, to the detriment of the people who suffer, once again.

Either way, it's downright scary. I persist in looking for an explanation, in taking the time to observe the world, but it is something that I will never understand. When I look at the concerns of my loved ones, I tell myself that they are involved in a whole lot of things that they are the only ones to find super interesting. It may sound bad, but I really mean it, because nothing satisfies me anymore. I find absolutely everything useless. I know that like you, I could never live to be 80. It is simply impossible.

Thank you for your beautiful text @FuneralCry as always, you have the right words.

 

[noname223]

All that staying alive could ever be is just prolonging suffering all for the sake of it, at least to me there is no value in enduring this existence, instead there are only more ways in which for life to get more awful. There could never be a point to enduring these endless days just to deteriorate from old age and then just die eventually. Nobody can ever deny all of the cruelty and endless problems that exist in this world that will continue to repeat in a cycle as long as life is created, yet people do with their delusional beliefs.

People see suicide as being worse than every kind of life, but do they not realise that there is no value to having constant concerns and worries but as well as that life is just so useless and tedious. I mean the concept of life will always be an awful thing as bringing life into this world has inevitably created suffering in which nobody had any need for in the first place. Every problem that living beings have to deal with is completely unnecessary, yet they exist. The fact that people see life as being 'valuable' will just end up causing harm to others, and this is done by procreation but also by restricting peaceful suicide methods causing people to suffer so much more as they have to resort to less desirable methods.


If only suicide is easier and not so stigmatised then that would prevent unnecessary suffering. After all life is nothing more than a cruel mistake, and we never asked to be here so at least those who see no value in prolonging suffering should be able to have their wishes respected, without all of the secrecy involved and complicated method research.
Staying alive will always be the most pointless and terrible thing for me, but at least eventually, even if it's not anytime soon, I will find freedom from this existence. I refuse to reach old age.

Personally I see it very differently in some aspects.
I think life means suffering. And everyone who lives suffers. Though I think it depends how much suffering there is. Sometimes severe suffering is only temporary so it can be worth trying to survive that period.

Moreover I see it different especially in one aspect. I think you make a good point against procreation. When we bring people into the world they can be exposed to nightmarish suffering. I think this is obvious for people who are members of this forum. It is kind of playing Russian roulette.

Though for me there is a big difference between not bringing new life into this world and ending one's life. For me I see it this way. Everyone suffers on a daily basis but this does not mean all these people should consider suicide. Because suicide itself is very painful in many cases. When I was close to committing suicide I was full of desperation, anxiety and pain. I was in an horrible condition. But it was an ambivalent state. I wanted to end the pain but approaching suicide rather increased my pain. I think this probably depends on the person I have read way different descriptions of this in this forum.

When we agree that everyone suffers to a certain degree the title would mean everyone should consider suicide. And I don't see this as a good choice. Because dealing with suicide is often painful. There is the biological survival instinct, the anxiety what happens to loved ones or even the angst about an afterlife etc. So I rather think people who have a good life should not think too much about suicide. It can be quite an abyss in which one stares. If I had even an mediocre life I wouldn't be this obsessed about my own suicide. My life is a shithole and I am ruminating so much about the future and suicide. I know which existential pain this can mean. I think the better suggestion for people with half-decent lives is to stay away of seriously considering suicide. They should be humble, support people with less luck and improve our lives. Better treatments, more support on different levels but also the right to die if one has longterm the rational wish to die. But starting to stare into the abyss can start processes you are not able to control anymore. First you think you would the active part in this equation but soon all these thoughts can start to have the control over you.
I think this transition is an interesting way to look at it but I am not sure how much truth this last part contains.