There has to be something after

[Rollo]

I think there is nothing from an individual perspective, what makes us us (genetics, environment, experiences) is all lost when we die.

I do have some fears though that time only seems linear to the living and that we may actually be stuck experiencing the same lives over and over on an endless loop, but the experience feels fresh each time. I hope that is wrong but it is something that one can never know.

That depends on what you view as 'linear' and as a 'loop'. living can be said to experience the same loop cause they experience 'same' day over and over again. Time is linear anyway but past and future will neccessarily have certain similarities.

 

[theguineapigking]

These beings are called by many names. Archons, djins, reptilians, greys, etc...
They will try to get you into agreeing to a bad reincarnation because they live off of our suffering. you might even live the same life with amnesia.

each life time data is saved in the akashic records, however it is managed by dark entities. you might even live the same life over again with amnesia. it's a useless system.

Do you believe they are powerful? Did they create this world? If so, why didn't they make it worse? Is there a good force that opposes it?

When you say the same life, do you mean the exact same body and family and all, meaning a simulation type thing? Or a similar life with very similar experiences? I guess maybe you mean what prettynoose said?

What is the basis of this theory? Is there a name for it?

Thanks for responding btw.

 

[ExitStageLeft]

I do have some fears though that time only seems linear to the living and that we may actually be stuck experiencing the same lives over and over on an endless loop, but the experience feels fresh each time. I hope that is wrong but it is something that one can never know.

I am almost one hundred percent convinced that this is the case. It's implicit in Einstein's block universe theory. Yes, entropy argues against it, but entropy ceases to apply past the entropic death of *this* universe.

The only thing cutting against it, really, is déja vú - if you were really reliving your life over and again exactly as before, how could you intuit something from a "past life"? Would it not suggest difference?

My guess is that, almost as soon as you die, "you" have the perception of being born under identical circumstances etc., though infinite eons will have passed, and the universe will have turned over a trillion trillion times. You will have no memories of anything, and no capacity to make any choices other than those which you made previously. But at some point, yes, the energy patterns that are produced by "your" neurons will be produced by them again.

This isn't reincarnation. There's no spiritual component to it at all. Just the endless repetition of the same.

 

[theguineapigking]

I am almost one hundred percent convinced that this is the case. It's implicit in Einstein's block universe theory. Yes, entropy argues against it, but entropy ceases to apply past the entropic death of *this* universe.

The only thing cutting against it, really, is déja vú - if you were really reliving your life over and again exactly as before, how could you intuit something from a "past life"? Would it not suggest difference?

My guess is that, almost as soon as you die, "you" have the perception of being born under identical circumstances etc., though infinite eons will have passed, and the universe will have turned over a trillion trillion times. You will have no memories of anything, and no capacity to make any choices other than those which you made previously. But at some point, yes, the energy patterns that are produced by "your" neurons will be produced by them again.

This isn't reincarnation. There's no spiritual component to it at all. Just the endless repetition of the same.

So basically with the time linearity technicality, it's possible that time is irrelevant in this scenario? So people in the 1500s are still alive, but in a different fracture of "time"? Could this be why reality feels extra fake because it's not the way it "should" be and we're all disconnected in our own timeline? Maybe Experiences between multiple people are not proportional in the theory of time then? Someone is experiencing death and life simultaneously?


I'm sorry. I'm kind of bad at putting deep thoughts to words.

 

[ExitStageLeft]

So basically with the time linearity technicality, it's possible that time is irrelevant in this scenario? So people in the 1500s are still alive, but in a different fracture of "time"? Could this be why reality feels extra fake because it's not the way it "should" be and we're all disconnected in our own timeline?


I'm sorry. I'm kind of bad at putting deep thoughts to words.

Yes, it makes sense to me. Block universe theory holds that the past and present are always extant, and that the future is just the growth of the past.

It may even be the case that each repetition can vary - that "you" can eventually make different choices further down the line. But this would almost certainly play out over millions of different incarnations - we're talking about exponential different versions of the universe. These differences would be incredibly gradual.

"You" will exist again in that "you" will think, feel, act, and be aware of yourself again. In the exact same world. But there will be no continuity of consciousness.

 

[Antibody246]

Do you believe they are powerful? Did they create this world? If so, why didn't they make it worse? Is there a good force that opposes it?

Yes they are powerful. they didn't create this world, but they copied an existing template, and made a bad version of it. they have destroyed the original world and built a bad copy of it with the remaining of the planet they destroyed. they did make it worse by changing the human DNA and polluting this world gradually.
in this world there is a duality component, so even the good guys are malevolent. it is the bad cop and good cop situation over and over again. good vs evil, white vs black, etc..

When you say the same life, do you mean the exact same body and family and all, meaning a simulation type thing? Or a similar life with very similar experiences? I guess maybe you mean what prettynoose said?

According to latest Wes Penre's materials, it is the exact same life, body and all with amnesia.

What is the basis of this theory? Is there a name for it?
It is based on NDE's, OOBE's, ancient tablets, etc... you can research the work of michael newton in regards to reincarnation stories.
There are also Wes Penre papers.

Thanks for responding btw.

 

[bpdandme]

These beings are called by many names. Archons, djins, reptilians, greys, etc...
They will try to get you into agreeing to a bad reincarnation because they live off of our suffering. you might even live the same life with amnesia.

each life time data is saved in the akashic records, however it is managed by dark entities. you might even live the same life over again with amnesia. it's a useless system.

I feel like I have lived this life over with amnesia. Have you ever watched the black mirror episode white bear? I feel like you would enjoy it if you're interested in this concept.

 

[Rollo]

So basically with the time linearity technicality, it's possible that time is irrelevant in this scenario? So people in the 1500s are still alive, but in a different fracture of "time"?

Yes, it makes sense to me. Block universe theory holds that the past and present are always extant, and that the future is just the growth of the past.

I'm gonna chime in

The only way people who died already are still alive is if they're alive not in a different fracture of time, but in a a different fracture of space, whether in some place of our universe or in paralel universe.

Past is not extant. It's gone. If something is not gone then it constitutes part of the future, part of the growth. So future grows not 'of' the past but 'on' the 'past' or aside with 'past'. In which case "past" is not really past.

 

[Thinking Beyond]

What are your options on afterlife. There is too many accounts of NDEs, channeling etc for there to be nothing. Even astral projection proves something.

In my experience there's an afterlife.

 

[ExitStageLeft]

I'm not a physicist, but I'm just well versed enough to know that there are cosmologists that reject the linear perception of time.

Growing block universe - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Yomyom]

I love the opinion of terence mckenna-
"The fact of the matter is, nobody knows what's going on, Nobody has the faintest idea, the best guesses are lies, you may be sure of it."
So you can argue how much you want, but there's no answer to that question

 

[Rollo]

I'm not a physicist, but I'm just well versed enough to know that there are cosmologists that reject the linear perception of time.

Growing block universe - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I know about these theories. It's just the cruel reality is just because there are bunch of respected guys who hold some opinions doesn't mean these opinions are correct. And in order for opinion to be corrrect or incorrect it first have to make sense. It should not contradict itself, most importantly. 'Linear' is not a perception of time. It's the definition of time. If past is not gone - then how come it's past?

 

[PainfulGut]

I don't really believe in an afterlife, I think things like astral projection can be explained by human's brains being very powerful but not all aware of what they're doing. They add images to blind spots, they find faces where there is none, they control all of your perceptions but can get mixed up by drugs or even simple tiredness, they hallucinate...

The problem I have with some sort or organised afterlife is life in it's current state does not seem organised at all. I don't think there is a grand purpose to life, I think life was just created through a series of weird chemical reactions and coincidences. I mostly believe that when we die we just cease to be, but if it was not that, I think the 'afterlife' would be just as incomprehensible as nonexistance. Why would it be something we could understand like reincarnation or looping time? We put too much importance on our perception of the universe. We are just another animal.

 

[Una Nancy]

Why would there be an afterlife?
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to start an argument, it's just something I don't understand. Do you believe there is something after death for each thing that lives? An afterlife for worms? for microbs? for each of our cells?
And if not, why would only humans have the privilege of an afterlife? We aren't that different from evolved monkeys.
Because we have a "soul"? I never had the feeling I've ever had one. To me, saying that we have a soul is like saying that the screen of a computer is essentially different from its tower (for example). Like, everything we think, we live, can be traced back to our body in the end. At least that's what I think.

Like I said, I don't want to start an argument. I'm really interested by the religious feeling. I never had it. And I just want to understand it.
Personally, I really hope there isn't anything after life, because I just want to stop existing and finally get some rest.
I guess my point of view is quite Lucretian. I find the idea of nothing after death really soothing.

 

[Thebuddhacel]

I am certain that reincarnation is a purely mechanical process and that we automatically reboot

There is a conspiracionist channel on youtube which says the same.

 

[Mooshi]

Honestly I can't say. There is no definite way to know if there's an afterlife or not. I consider myself an agnostic, I neither believe nor disbelieve in anything. We all just have to wait and see..

 

[calendulo]

Sadly, There is nothing.
The reincarnation is another else thing, whoever believes in that.........thing, he or she does well.
But, to be exactly to be. No, I did not see anything, just a lot of black.

 

[Jumper Geo]

What are your options on afterlife. There is too many accounts of NDEs, channeling etc for there to be nothing. Even astral projection proves something.

There is ton's of info on NDE and Rebirth here, I hope you find the answers your looking for,

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...d-general-discussion.1428/page-28#post-654951

 

[whereispeace]

I believe that when we die we go into a void of nothingness, like before we were born. But I could be wrong.

 

[yetme]

I think there is nothing from an individual perspective, what makes us us (genetics, environment, experiences) is all lost when we die.

I do have some fears though that time only seems linear to the living and that we may actually be stuck experiencing the same lives over and over on an endless loop, but the experience feels fresh each time. I hope that is wrong but it is something that one can never know.

Oh this is good! Ive read a novel by Strugatsky brothers where the main character got struck by a lightning and had to live his live again.. and then again and again. So he got stuck in this circle, but he remembered all of his lives so he could avoid all the mistakes he made. This novel was written way before the Groundhog Day movie

 

[Pan]

I take comfort in the Bhagavad Gita, which states emphatically that "nothing can destroy that indestructible soul",

What are your options on afterlife. There is too many accounts of NDEs, channeling etc for there to be nothing. Even astral projection proves something.

What I do think is that you reboot your life at death: Li͏f͏e/death/life...Indian physicians with whom I am acquainted with maintain this as FACT. We will live our lives better and better, each time the stronger, the better for it.

 

[KiraLittleOwl]

I think it's unlikely.
Just human natural fear of finality of death and non existence led to the creation of the concept of afterlife.
Just like idea of gods was created because primitive humans could not explain powerful natural events.

It's more possible that something else, more senseless is going to happen. For instance we (our perfect copies) have to relieve our exact lives infinite times because time is cycled on itself or something like that.
Or maybe we truly cannot die if alternative universes are infinite number with infinite possibilities.
Or we are in personal simulation where the goal is to punish us.
I don't like to think about it, it's too horrifying.
I hope there's nothing, because something good is less probable.
Maybe I am just to depressed.

 

[braketimez]

What are your options on afterlife. There is too many accounts of NDEs, channeling etc for there to be nothing. Even astral projection proves something.

None of those experiences happen while dead. They only happen while almost dead. They don't prove anything for me, at least.
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The one thing I fear is this...
What if the last few seconds my brain is alive, I have a dream or imaginative sequence where the timespan feels like forever? It's been known to happen in nightmares before...

Ya know...those nightmares that feel like they go on for hours.

Why couldn't that happen moments before death?

I fear there could be an excruciating last few moments which feels like a lifetime...of permanent "sleep paralysis". Or something that is similar to that.

 

[Starseedchip]

Logically I dont belive there is. I think theres nothing but its impossible as a living conscience being to comprehend. The ego doesnt allow us to belive that life can and does go on without us. The nonlogical part of me wants something after. The first time I ever tried to kill myself I was still very spiritual. I was actually excited that I would die and then be free of my physical body and could be happy in the afterlife. I imagined I would die and be able to watch my life like a movie and relive the good and learn from the bad. I thought that death would bring me all the answers, how and why we camt to be. I would love to be with my friends, family, and pets forever in some eternal bliss. However as I have grown older ive come to belive that this is it. I think if there was somehting more we would know. I think the dead would communicate with us in such a way that we knew for certain. It sucks because so many people like us on this site have lives of pain and misery and yet its our only one, our only shot and it sucks. However I take great comfort in the fact that death is the great equalizer, every single living being must die. I feel better knowing that every single person who has come before me, those who are alive with me now, and those after me will die. I will say that when the time comes I think it can be peaceful. One time I had too much to drink and had taken too much medication and then proceeded to go to a party and do more stupid shit. At one point I felt my heart slowing down and it felt like the walls were coming in on me so I decided to find a bed and lay down. I was having a hard time getting enough air and thats when I started to feel "me" slip away. You know that voice inside your head, what you hear when your thinking, that was leaving. My conscience which is essentially me was getting further and further away. At first I was actively trying to fight it by forcing myself to think my own name but it got harder and I was getting so tired. Someone came in and found me and got me breathing again but that experience is what made me belive that we are nothing more then the neurons in our brains firing off. I could be wrong, everyday I wish that I was shown a sign that life goes on after or that there was something more, hell I would even take aliens!

 

[Nem]

Well, I have seen a paranormal activity when I was around 12 and a friend saw it too so there's definitely something out there. An afterlife might be far fetched though and I sure hope there isn't one
Peace/hugs

 

[Pan]

What if it is to further wisdom and consciousness awareness, but the memory is reset each time so that we have a whole new experience to add to the collection? Kind of like a bunch of separate movies that have nothing to do with each other.. Each movie is different. Maybe each life experience adds total knowledge to the spiritual memory bank(or whatever it's called) that we gain access too after completing all life experiences?

But certainly it seems evil as well. There's so much bullshit In the world.

That's a very interesting way of interpreting it.

 

[Sunshine]

I love paranormal research, don't get me wrong! It's the stuff I think the most about honestly, my biggest passion. But in all these years I haven't even found a SHRED of evidence that the supernatural is anything more than just confirmation bias, selective perception, messed up memories or schizophrenia.

Even Near Death Experiences, which I devoured 100's of, can pretty much all be explained by people just lying, remembering wrong or making it up. More importantly scientists found out that NDE's sound almost identical to the experience that people have during trips with the drug Ketamine. They feel the same way, like they are leaving their bodies, floating, dissociation and peace:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1025055109480

Another reason why I feel it's drug related is most NDEs are positive, but a random 20% (or lower) is negative. Very similar to Ketamine trips. Most of them are pleasant, but a few will just randomly get very dark and chaotic. Ketamine (or rather glutamate flood) is likely to be released in cells that are supposedly oxygen deprived or aren't communicating well anymore, thus dying cells. So I guess people who are dying start tripping on Ketamine.

Also, notice how people see all kinds of different things and are told different truths during their NDEs? I read like 100+ and there's lots of conflicting and different stuff. IT seems more like a hallucination vs an actual real experience.

 

[theguineapigking]

Logically I dont belive there is. I think theres nothing but its impossible as a living conscience being to comprehend. The ego doesnt allow us to belive that life can and does go on without us. The nonlogical part of me wants something after. The first time I ever tried to kill myself I was still very spiritual. I was actually excited that I would die and then be free of my physical body and could be happy in the afterlife. I imagined I would die and be able to watch my life like a movie and relive the good and learn from the bad. I thought that death would bring me all the answers, how and why we camt to be. I would love to be with my friends, family, and pets forever in some eternal bliss. However as I have grown older ive come to belive that this is it. I think if there was somehting more we would know. I think the dead would communicate with us in such a way that we knew for certain. It sucks because so many people like us on this site have lives of pain and misery and yet its our only one, our only shot and it sucks. However I take great comfort in the fact that death is the great equalizer, every single living being must die. I feel better knowing that every single person who has come before me, those who are alive with me now, and those after me will die. I will say that when the time comes I think it can be peaceful. One time I had too much to drink and had taken too much medication and then proceeded to go to a party and do more stupid shit. At one point I felt my heart slowing down and it felt like the walls were coming in on me so I decided to find a bed and lay down. I was having a hard time getting enough air and thats when I started to feel "me" slip away. You know that voice inside your head, what you hear when your thinking, that was leaving. My conscience which is essentially me was getting further and further away. At first I was actively trying to fight it by forcing myself to think my own name but it got harder and I was getting so tired. Someone came in and found me and got me breathing again but that experience is what made me belive that we are nothing more then the neurons in our brains firing off. I could be wrong, everyday I wish that I was shown a sign that life goes on after or that there was something more, hell I would even take aliens!

I've also read about some people that believe it's kind of like waking up from surgery - Everything is dark and you're in a state of confusion at first. Then you begin to remember who you are and that you just had surgery for (blank) reason- What if it's kind of like that? You die, everything feels dark and your awareness drifts away, but it will begin to slowly come back after some time. You begin to remember "who" you really are.

Perhaps your soul is attached to your body until it's truly your time to die. When you awake from losing consciousness, any memories you may have(if your spirit projected from your body) are temporarily lost, which can make some people feel positive there's nothing after death because they had no experience, only darkness.


Just remember that it's possible that you can have a spiritual experience but just not remember it.. kind of like if you had other lives you had lived that you don't remember right now. Something could've happened that you just don't remember. The consciousness could be separate from memory, which effects who you are due to experiences.


There are many other possibilities I can think of. But it's too exhausting to think about this too much. I can say that the "block universe theory" seems to make a lot of sense as well. "Einstein's theory of relativity" is similar to the block theory. It shares some similar views. Some believe that past, present, and future are all set in stone. But the past and future are all already happening simultaneously. It's like having a recorded video that has every single scene playing at the same time. This means free will doesn't appear to be real.


To anyone that reads this, diving too deep into these theories can drive you insane. I'm losing my mind, literally. So I suggest not looking too far into the block theory if you have major anxiety.

 

[Starseedchip]

I've also read about some people that believe it's kind of like waking up from surgery - Everything is dark and you're in a state of confusion at first. Then you begin to remember who you are and that you just had surgery for (blank) reason- What if it's kind of like that? You die, everything feels dark and your awareness drifts away, but it will begin to slowly come back after some time. You begin to remember "who" you really are.

Perhaps your soul is attached to your body until it's truly your time to die. When you awake from losing consciousness, any memories you may have(if your spirit projected from your body) are temporarily lost, which can make some people feel positive there's nothing after death because they had no experience, only darkness.


Just remember that it's possible that you can have a spiritual experience but just not remember it.. kind of like if you had other lives you had lived that you don't remember right now. Something could've happened that you just don't remember. The consciousness could be separate from memory, which effects who you are due to experiences.


There are many other possibilities I can think of. But it's too exhausting to think about this too much. I can say that the "block universe theory" seems to make a lot of sense as well. "Einstein's theory of relativity" is similar to the block theory. It shares some similar views. Some believe that past, present, and future are all set in stone. But the past and future are all already happening simultaneously. It's like having a recorded video that has every single scene playing at the same time. This means free will doesn't appear to be real.


To anyone that reads this, diving too deep into these theories can drive you insane. I'm losing my mind, literally. So I suggest not looking too far into the block theory if you have major anxiety.

yes thats what the feeling was very much like. In fact I have been put under for surgery and it was very similar. I have spent alot of my life exploring different possibilities. I was raised religious and for a long time truly felt and believed in it. I have studied numerous religions and then the occult. Numerology, astrology, psychics, past life regression, etc. Ive done it all. I have had a handful of experiences that made me belive there was something more. I think its easy to look at the beauty and vastness of life and think that it must all mean something. No one can ever say for sure. Either it nothing which wont be bad because you wont even know or there is something after and hopefully if there is im sure it will be wonderful.

 

[theguineapigking]

I love paranormal research, don't get me wrong! It's the stuff I think the most about honestly, my biggest passion. But in all these years I haven't even found a SHRED of evidence that the supernatural is anything more than just confirmation bias, selective perception, messed up memories or schizophrenia.

Even Near Death Experiences, which I devoured 100's of, can pretty much all be explained by people just lying, remembering wrong or making it up. More importantly scientists found out that NDE's sound almost identical to the experience that people have during trips with the drug Ketamine. They feel the same way, like they are leaving their bodies, floating, dissociation and peace:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1025055109480

Another reason why I feel it's drug related is most NDEs are positive, but a random 20% (or lower) is negative. Very similar to Ketamine trips. Most of them are pleasant, but a few will just randomly get very dark and chaotic. Ketamine (or rather glutamate flood) is likely to be released in cells that are supposedly oxygen deprived or aren't communicating well anymore, thus dying cells. So I guess people who are dying start tripping on Ketamine.

Also, notice how people see all kinds of different things and are told different truths during their NDEs? I read like 100+ and there's lots of conflicting and different stuff. IT seems more like a hallucination vs an actual real experience.

There are infinite possibilities.(well maybe not infinite)

When you say that all of these different stories are conflicting, is it because some people see Jesus or another religion God, while others see a dead grandma or family member? If so, here is something extra to ponder: what if it's a spirit guide or archon(an archon is believed to be evil and trick you to continue living) that take the form of that being.. basically they'll take the form of whoever makes you feel the most comfortable and at peace?


I'm sure that many Ndes are bullcrap, but say that some are real. Do the drugs make you hallucinate, or do they allow your brain to reach a certain level of awareness.. a very specific state of mind that allows you to leave your body? Or is it just a lucid dream type thing? Who knows?


Some People claim that a nde feels more real than real..basically your senses are heightened and so strong that reality feels more fluid and vivid and your awareness is more awake, like being tired vs not tired(much bigger difference though). This still makes it hard to tell(assuming the person is being honest about their experience) if a hypoxic brain fires more neurons and works super fast, or if it really is spiritual or whatever.