Please do NOT respond to a comment you disagree with.
Firstly, we should be allowed to respond to a comment we disagree with. That's surely the point of a forum- to discuss things?
If you don't want to read a comment by someone who disagrees with or, questions your opinion though- probably skip. Plus, this reply isn't really in the spirit of 'recovery' either- so- a trigger and skip warning there.
Is your argument that people aren't trying hard enough effectively?
Maybe that could be said for some of us. It's likely true of me in my past and present- although, I'd hazard a guess I've gone above and beyond in some areas.
I think it's equally important to ascertain
why people
might not be taking responsibility and initiative to solve their problems though. Is it because of repeated efforts and, repeated failures? Is it because they don't like the look of even their best case scenario- so, don't have the motivation in the first place to truly go for it? Are they suffering with depression or anhedonia for instance- which likely means they have less energy and less interest in things to begin with? All of which can certainly make death seem more appealing than struggling on with life.
Honestly, it also puzzles me as to why people think they seem owed good things or support in life. I would think that just looking at this world, it's obvious that it isn't fair. Maybe some do just get all the luck but a lot of people have to work hard for the crumbs they get. So- it seems obvious to me that, if you do still want things, you need to do all you can to try to get them. Even if that means putting yourself through uncomfortable challenges along the way.
That said, I do think you could maybe be a bit more empathetic on
why someone may not be able to work that hard though. I do think there are genuine reasons some people may feel so stuck.
I think some people may genuinely be stuck too. Can they change the world to accomodate their needs? Can they change themselves to better accept the world as it is? Maybe not always. It's more likely to be a series of compromises. Why should we compromise, if it doesn't feel worth it?
I'm also curious I suppose. For someone who clearly puts so much faith in our ability to self heal and overcome- are you now living your best life? If not, what's holding you back? Why are your excuses valid but, theirs not? That's something of a double standard- surely?
Do you really suppose they even put the same value on life that you might? Do they even see their goals as achievable? Surely, we wouldn't play a game we felt positive we were going to lose! I think that is a major obstacle. People won't take responsibility if they feel sure it won't make any difference! I'd say a reasonable proportion of people here feel as if they are already damned- one way or another.
So yes, suicide could be seen as the 'lazy', even 'easy' option if you assume that every person here could fix their problems- if only they take it upon themselves to try. That's quite an assumption though. I personally think it could well be wrong too.
Lots of people are trying- for one. One way and another. Surely, they'd be feeling less suicidal if it was simply a matter of deciding to try and, putting more effort in?
Me personally, sure- suicide is in some way, the 'easy' opt out. Beyond my Dad though (who I do care not to upset,) who should I be holding on for? Not me anymore! There really aren't things I even want now. So- I think you need to consider that too. Does everyone here actually want to live?
More importantly- live the quality life they might realistically achieve? Not castles in the sky, win the lottery, marry a super model, win the Noble Prize delusional crap. Does their more realistic picture of a reasonable life appear worth the effort?
bravo!
