Theory: Suicide is okay until we figure out lifes meaning

[Atlantian]

I've come to the theory that suicide is perfectly fine for now until we discover our purpose in this universe. As of now, living is meaningless, but dying is equally pointless. If we were supposed to live because, for example, God wanted us to, then suicide would be objectively wrong.

Suicide is a purely subjective decision. The only flaw to my logic is the very small chance that passing your genes on has some beneficial greater purpose that will only be realized millenium after you're dead. That's hope, a hope that most normal people aka neurotypicals cling onto. But I personally dont care and want to live a life I don't want just for that chance. And there's nothing wrong with that, needless to explain why

 

[FuneralCry]

I do not think that there could ever be a purpose to living. There is nothing to discover. Life will always be meaningless and we all just exist for the sake of existing. No one should ever be forced to live and we have no obligations to stay alive as we did not ask to exist. It is a personal decision when to leave this world.

 

[Atlantian]

I do not think that there could ever be a purpose to living. There is nothing to discover. Life will always be meaningless and we all just exist for the sake of existing. No one should ever be forced to live and we have no obligations to stay alive as we did not ask to exist. It is a personal decision when to leave this world.

I wouldn't write off that possibility yet. Could you tell Mr why you think that way?

 

[Zzzzz]

I think it's a completely reasonable idea. There should be no prohibition against suicide unless there's scientific proof of some higher purpose. Let people decide for themselves. Anything less than this is a violation of consent and a form of slavery. The current state of civilization is slavery. PS.... Even if they did find some higher purpose, I still think people should choose for themselves and assisted suicide be legal.

 

[FuneralCry]

I wouldn't write off that possibility yet. Could you tell Mr why you think that way?

Because I do not believe in God/religion. We only exist because people decided to selfishly procreate.

 

[Atlantian]

Because I do not believe in God/religion. We only exist because people decided to selfishly procreate.

God isn't the only thing that gives meaning. Perhaps were aliens that are destined to become gods and your role in life is to help the human species reach that level. Or maybe the universe is a living organism that we are apart of.

Lots of possibilities. I'm not saying its an obligation just that meaning could come in many forma and that potential obligation will be attached to it

 

[Rob1984]

I do not think that there could ever be a purpose to living. There is nothing to discover. Life will always be meaningless and we all just exist for the sake of existing. No one should ever be forced to live and we have no obligations to stay alive as we did not ask to exist. It is a personal decision when to leave this world.

There may not be an inherent purpose to life, but why does that mean we cannot find or give a purpose? If I wake up one day and decide I want the purpose of my life to be helping others who are depressed, is my life purpose not meaningful because I was not "born" to help depressed people, but rather I chose that purpose on my own?

I've come to the theory that suicide is perfectly fine for now until we discover our purpose in this universe. As of now, living is meaningless, but dying is equally pointless. If we were supposed to live because, for example, God wanted us to, then suicide would be objectively wrong.

Suicide is a purely subjective decision. The only flaw to my logic is the very small chance that passing your genes on has some beneficial greater purpose that will only be realized millenium after you're dead. That's hope, a hope that most normal people aka neurotypicals cling onto. But I personally dont care and want to live a life I don't want just for that chance. And there's nothing wrong with that, needless to explain why

You're saying our lives are meaningless unless they serve a purpose to the grand scheme of the universe? But why is that the prerequisite for a life to have purpose? Why can't the meaning of our lives be as simple as experience the little joys in life? I'm curious why you require such a grand purpose for our lives to have any meaning/purpose? Not saying you're wrong btw, just wondering :)

 

[Messgram]

Regardless of the negative opinion that "god" has about suicide, it doesn't make suicide objectively bad, because in the end it's just the moral of a superior being. If I cease to exist any kind of moral becomes irrelevant to me, even that of a god.

 

[samishii]

I wouldn't write off that possibility yet. Could you tell Mr why you think that way?

You are anyways going to die, why not do it on your own terms when you want to? Nobody asked to be born, it just turns out maybe a couple forgot to slip on a condom, or just were like- "our lives are boring, let's have a child and make their life like hell for fun"

 

[Superdeterminist]

If I became aware of a god in the universe who had in mind an explicit purpose for me, this wouldn't convince me to stick around, unless it was a very pleasant-sounding purpose. I wouldn't feel obliged to follow god's recommendations, or feel guilty for failing to do so. I don't respect any god who created this reality, since it involves suffering. Suffering, to me, is the ultimate display of disrespect. There is nothing, no amount of joy or anything else, that can justify its existence.

 

[Twiceler]

Agnostics are such kids, heh. I wish I were agnostic

 

[Atlantian]

Agnostics are such kids, heh. I wish I were agnostic

How are agnostics kids?

 

[Twiceler]

How are agnostics kids?

In simple words, agnostics are like virgins and religion is a d*ck. Im an atheist btw. So I'm like a rape victim then.

 

[Atlantian]

In simple words, agnostics are like virgins and religion is a d*ck. Im an atheist btw. So I'm like a rape victim then.

If you can put simple words into an analogy then just say it in simpler plain words

 

[Twiceler]

If you can put simple words into an analogy then just say it in simpler plain words

I mean that's the easiest way for me to explain my view. I don't like philosophy and I don't like thinking about religion too much. Life is meaningless, philosophy/religion is meaningless, squared. I have many thoughts about religion, but it's all dust.

 

[rationaltake]

I've come to the theory that suicide is perfectly fine for now until we discover our purpose in this universe. As of now, living is meaningless, but dying is equally pointless. If we were supposed to live because, for example, God wanted us to, then suicide would be objectively wrong.

Suicide is a purely subjective decision. The only flaw to my logic is the very small chance that passing your genes on has some beneficial greater purpose that will only be realized millenium after you're dead. That's hope, a hope that most normal people aka neurotypicals cling onto. But I personally dont care and want to live a life I don't want just for that chance. And there's nothing wrong with that, needless to explain why

This is really interesting. I like being open to new ways of looking at things.

 

[FuneralCry]

There may not be an inherent purpose to life, but why does that mean we cannot find or give a purpose? If I wake up one day and decide I want the purpose of my life to be helping others who are depressed, is my life purpose not meaningful because I was not "born" to help depressed people, but rather I chose that purpose on my own?

I never said that individuals couldn't find purpose in their own lives. What I meant is that to me there is no objective purpose to living to discover. I believe that life will always be meaningless overall, but of course individuals can find their own purpose, even know I personally see life as being extremely pointless and there could never be a reason for me to exist.

 

[LONE WOLF.]

There may not be an inherent purpose to life, but why does that mean we cannot find or give a purpose? If I wake up one day and decide I want the purpose of my life to be helping others who are depressed, is my life purpose not meaningful because I was not "born" to help depressed people, but rather I chose that purpose on my own?


You're saying our lives are meaningless unless they serve a purpose to the grand scheme of the universe? But why is that the prerequisite for a life to have purpose? Why can't the meaning of our lives be as simple as experience the little joys in life? I'm curious why you require such a grand purpose for our lives to have any meaning/purpose? Not saying you're wrong btw, just wondering :)

@Rob1984 l have to say that l agree with you,in that enjoying the small pleasures as and when they happen in life is good enough for me as well!

 

[rationaltake]

@Rob1984 l have to say that l agree with you,in that enjoying the small pleasures as and when they happen in life is good enough for me as well!

I only wish I could still do this!

 

[Sprite_Geist]

Your theory is okay - I can understand your reasoning. However I think that suicide is (or should be) acceptable even if the human species manages to discover a grand purpose in the universe - if there is one.

Perhaps there is an ultimate goal which is planned out for us by a god, like you have said, but this does not mean we should be obligated to participate given that nobody asked to be born into this existence; there was no deal or arrangement which was agreed upon. What I have just said would not hold as much weight if the existence we lived in was without any unnecessary pain, and ours needs were taken into consideration, but this is not so.

To say that we should stay alive simply because our lives can still be "useful" to a higher entity, and nothing more, is the equivalent of saying that the life of a slave is useless without a master.

 

[Nostalgic]

The meaning of life

what are the implications of there being no God?

Without God, even if human life could be meaningful within the frame of the universe, it would be ultimately meaningless because the universe itself would be pointless. It would be like playing a part in a pointless play. Problem: It is true that without God there is no point to the universe. There is no higher purpose. There is no afterlife. There are no cosmic consequences to the things that we do in this life.

 

[NeverReallyHere]

Even if it turned out that there was a God who didn't want us to kill ourselves, that wouldn't constitute a good ethical argument against suicide. To restrict your own autonomy solely out of fear of incurring the wrath of someone or something more powerful than you is not moral, it just amounts to "might makes right."

 

[needforvoid_]

If god showed up to me rn and said he'll get me into heaven if I stay, I'm not sure I'd believe him.

 

[Lost Magic]

I honestly don't think God or the universe cares if you choose to live or die. Isn't that what free will was given to us for? Anything less would be a form of enslavement, in my opinion.

 

[Superdeterminist]

I honestly don't think God or the universe cares if you choose to live or die. Isn't that what free will was given to us for? Anything less would be a form of enslavement, in my opinion.

What do you mean by free will?

 

[Lost Magic]

What do you mean by free will?

We are free to choose our own actions unless outside influences prevent us otherwise. Is suicide not an act of free will?

 

[Superdeterminist]

We are free to choose our own actions unless outside influences prevent us otherwise. Is suicide not an act of free will?

It's tricky...We take actions, but I wouldn't say we do so freely. As in, I don't believe we have the ability to select one among multiple possible futures. I believe the actions we take are entirely determined by our brain state, and our brain state is determined by physical laws. I avoid using the term 'free will' because I think it attributes to us a freedom which we do not have: a freedom to transcend physical laws. Yes, we (mostly) act according to our own volition, but is there any choice in our volition? As Schopenhauer said: "man can do what he wills, but he cannot will what he wills."

 

[Lost Magic]

It's tricky...We take actions, but I wouldn't say we do so freely. As in, I don't believe we have the ability to select one among multiple possible futures. I believe the actions we take are entirely determined by our brain state, and our brain state is determined by physical laws. I avoid using the term 'free will' because I think it attributes to us a freedom which we do not have: a freedom to transcend physical laws. Yes, we (mostly) act according to our own volition, but is there any choice in our volition? As Schopenhauer said: "man can do what he wills, but he cannot will what he wills."

I think it is a combination of free will and randomness. For example (in relation to suicide) somebody may will themselves to jump off a ledge, but somebody may be there to pull them back off it. But that person could try another time or just live their lives instead. We can chart our own course in life but we may not always get to the destination the way we intended. At least that's the way I perceive it all.

 

[whitefeather]

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It's tricky...We take actions, but I wouldn't say we do so freely. As in, I don't believe we have the ability to select one among multiple possible futures. I believe the actions we take are entirely determined by our brain state, and our brain state is determined by physical laws. I avoid using the term 'free will' because I think it attributes to us a freedom which we do not have: a freedom to transcend physical laws. Yes, we (mostly) act according to our own volition, but is there any choice in our volition? As Schopenhauer said: "man can do what he wills, but he cannot will what he wills."

YES ! The tumble of the DNA calls the shots...

 

[Insomniac]

The purpose of life is to get stronger woth the various adversities instead of dying.

Those who are not happy with this can show themselves the door. In other words, us.

Except, suicide is unnecessarily difficult and painful so yeah. Those who want to kill themselves aren't exempt of the purpose (suffering).

There is no god. The inly people who are at the origin of your destiny are your ancestors. Who you are today is a direct result of how much they loved you over themselves. If you're in excruciating pain, it's simply that your ancestors didn't value you that much and didn't want to suffer for you.

I don't know iw what the fuck I'm talking about. Sorry. I'm so bored.