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ceserasera

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Dec 17, 2021
68
I've been wanting to document this for a while. The reality is that, on this forum, most people are brought together by a desire to die because life is intolerable. But it's not like that in the real world. Beyond this forum, two people who say that they want to die will be treated very differently. There are the deserving and undeserving suffering. Those whose pain is believed and validated and addressed, and others who are insulted, humiliated and dismissed. I've experienced the latter first hand.

My friend decided one day that she wanted attention (she disclosed this to me afterwards, saying that that was her intention all along), and so she went to a bridge and made it look like she wanted to jump off. For context, she is one of those people who others always show concern for, and I don't mean this in a nasty way, but she loves it when people are concerned for her. She loves the attention. But anyway, she didn't jump, was taken to hospital and then sectioned. This is taking place in the UK, by the way, where the underfunded NHS system means that people who have just made a serious attempt to take their own life are sometimes not even found an available bed. The friend was later released after she was deemed to not need the bed. She then went back to her intensive therapy programme that she had been on all along anyway.

In contrast, when I expressed how I felt (this was well before my friend's 'incident') to professionals, I was told that it was 'an aggressive use of the issue'. In 'reaching out', like we're always told to do, they said I was doing it in an aggressive way, and they made jokes about it in my notes. When I went on to make a suicide attempt, the same people who accused me of using the issue 'aggressively', then told me people just wanted to 'get rid of' me and laughed in my face.

So when people tell you to reach out, what they neglect to mention is that if you don't fit their idea of what a suffering person should look like, don't bother. If you're angry at the world rather than sad and self pitying, they won't believe you. If you don't communicate pain or suffering the way they think you should, don't bother. What they don't say is that some people's lives matter and other people'a don't. Some people's distress will be viewed as a threat whilst other people's distress is seen as genuine. What they don't know is that they have it all wrong. The funny thing is that they still have the audacity to ask 'how are you?' They still expect you to tell them your most painful thoughts. Or maybe they don't eclectic that. They ask the question so that they can say they covered their bases. But knowing that they've essentially made sure you never speak your thoughts again, whatever happens next isn't their problem. The only thing to come out of the whole ordeal is that I know that everything I ever thought about my place on the world is true - I have no place. I don't belong here. My presence frustrates people. They don't say so because we're supposed to believe or at least outwardly project the idea that all human life matters. That can be true at the same time as it is true that if certain people died, few tears would be shed. I'm one of those people, and the realisation hurts but it's ok. I feel like the world's rag doll. And that's not because I think 'woe is me'. I'm fully aware how lucky I am, but it doesn't cancel out any of the hurt or pain, or any of the wrong done to me. But just like a rag doll, people think that I'm made to be battered, and because I don't instantly fall apart, they keep going and going and going. But everyone has their limits.
The only people I really care about are my family, and it's them that I cry for every day. All the other noise doesn't matter. People can say what they like. It only hurts because as a result of people not believing my pain, they never offer to help, I never get the chance to make my family proud and repay them for everything they've done for me. I love them so much, and I think they know me. They don't believe the paper version of me that professionals and all these other people create of me. Nobody knows my soul but I suppose my family comes closest. I'm not the manipulative, horrible person that they portrayed. I was scared, desperate, confused, hurt.

Why is it that when I'm hurting and I say so people make it about themsleves. It's a 'threat' against them, somehow. How self absorbed to people have to be to think that your pain is a dig at them? How fucked up does a service have to be to demonise someone for crying, expressing their pain. The pain is indescribable. I hope they find this. I hope they find all of these threads one day. Maybe after the fact they will view it differently. Maybe after I'm gone, quietly without a fuss, they'll realise it was never about them.
 
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Zzzzz

Nothing compares to the bliss of death.
Aug 8, 2018
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It's shameful and despicable how you,and other suicidal people,were/are treated. Those people who were supposed to help you, they are dirtbags. They were pushing someone to kill themselves and should be fired from their career.
 
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ceserasera

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Dec 17, 2021
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It's shameful and despicable how you,and other suicidal people,were/are treated. Those people who were supposed to help you, they are dirtbags. They were pushing someone to kill themselves and should be fired from their career.
Thank you. It means a lot to have someone just acknowledge that it's wrong to treat people this way.
 
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artificial_ineptness

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Nov 14, 2021
93
It is pretty messed up how getting help / empathy / sympathy is just another competition, like pretty much everything else in life, and how two-faced people are when it comes to this. The least society could do is to recognize that some people are better off dead, instead of spewing bullshit about how every life matters, while at the same time letting you rot and treating you like yours doesn't.

Also, sorry about your experience with mental health professionals, it's depressing how you got dismissed and laughed at for trying to get help
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
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It's shameful and despicable how you,and other suicidal people,were/are treated. Those people who were supposed to help you, they are dirtbags. They were pushing someone to kill themselves and should be fired from their career.
Definitely shameful- 'reaching out in an aggressive way'- I've never heard that term. It takes courage to admit that you are struggling to any other human being. Especially to a random 'proffessional' stranger. The very least you should be able to expect is for them to listen and take you seriously- and compassionately...
 
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wljourney

Waiting for the bus
Apr 2, 2022
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I can relate to many of your experiences. The system in the UK as well as in CAN is extremely broken. Sadly most of the healthcare providers we interact with are poorly trained when it comes to MH. It is also a colonial-style treatment system that assumes that MH patients are incapable of making informed decisions and "I know what's best for you", which is usually not the case.

Not even mentioning the massive, structural underfunding and therefore leaving absolutely no time to listen to any patient who isn't completely "falling apart".

Being someone who "presents well", because I have learned through all my life to cover up how I truly felt, makes it extremely difficult to access support when needed.

Sometimes you have to give healthcare workers what they want to see to enable them to direct resources to you: poor personal hygiene, disheveled clothing, visible signs of anxiety, drenched tissues, etc.

That's the crux with invisible illnesses and overloaded healthcare systems.
 
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Intelligent_Panic99

Student
Jan 4, 2022
114
This is so true! In my case, I am either deemed as too sick for treatment and a liability (this is in my actual medical notes so I am not imagining it) or I am not believed. Or maybe they don't want to believe me so when I kill myself they can be all shocked. I literally said to a psychiatrist my plan (I didn't name the method but said it was quick effective and I had it on hand) and he just ignored it (well he asked "can you keep yourself safe" and then went on the ask other questions before I could answer) the whole system is bull shit. On the one hand they tell you mental illness is the same as physical! You need to advocate for yourself! On the other hand they are telling you you're not worth saving because insurance says so, but they will also remove your liberties to make sure you don't die. It doesn't make sense that I'm a liability but a person who may die of a physical ailment is not liability - at least doctors won't stop treatment because suddenly they are too near death. I mean wtf.
 
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FuneralCry

Just wanting some peace
Sep 24, 2020
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I'm sorry that you have been through this, it must be unbearable being in so much pain, and it is awful how other people just make things worse. Life is just so cruel and unfair. I wish you the best and I hope you find relief from your suffering.
 
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Brianiskillingme

Slowly Dying Inside
Jan 18, 2022
148
Anytime I warn people I am feeling suicidal again, they twist everything to be about them. When I finally do it, they will know I was serious and needed support not bullshit.
 
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DAMN.

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Apr 17, 2022
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Being someone who "presents well", because I have learned through all my life to cover up how I truly felt, makes it extremely difficult to access support when needed.
When I tried talking to a therapist once, he decided I must not be depressed since I had good grades in school, and showered more than twice a month. It's crazy how these people think you're lying for attention because your life "isn't that bad".
 
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Seeking_Peace

Arcanist
May 18, 2022
476
I actually stopped asking 'normal' people for advice. It's always the cliche, things will get better or you're young like suffering is not possible. It's like telling someone I'm about to crash my car and they say just get some rest.

I'd prefer to talk to individuals who have pain like me and shares ideas of ways to improve.
 
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BlueNikky

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Apr 7, 2022
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Why is it that when I'm hurting and I say so people make it about themsleves. It's a 'threat' against them, somehow. How self absorbed to people have to be to think that your pain is a dig at them?
I'm so glad that I read your thread as my first one on this site. Sometimes I feel I'm the only one that's being told how selfish and uncaring I am for wanting to move on.
So often though, it's my parents who are saying this and it destroys me every time. It's not that I don't care and love them both and my children sooo much, what's selfish is people pushing me to the state where I've told them I want them dead just so that I can cross. Those are thoughts and words that I will never be able to forget or to take back. Until they can try to understand that it's what I really, truly want for myself I'm stuck having to watch and listen to them worrying themselves to death about me.
I don't want it to be out of the blue for them, but I want to go feeling happy and content with what has mostly been a great life well lived. I can't do that if they can't accept me as I am.
Not sure what to do anymore, as they're in their eighties, I love them dearly but I can't keep my mask on anymore while I watch them die because of me x
 
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