The reality is that existing will definitely get worse as time goes on.

[FuneralCry]

That is what will happen, as time goes on humans will just suffer more and that is the reality. To me it's strange and quite sad in a way how so many delusional people in this world continue to deny this with their toxic positivity that they try to force onto others and they invalidate the cruel reality of this existence with their fictional beliefs. No, the idea of life improving literally makes no sense and not everyone is in denial like them.

Human beings are destined to suffer, deteriorate and die and it's simply just the way that life is. Existing will get worse and more torturous as time goes on and this is what makes the thought of permanent non existence appeal to me so much. It's irrational to want to reach an old age and see value and benefit in suffering and as we get older the amount of problems that humans experience just increases. This is so undesirable and I view life as being something horrific, it's the true burden and curse to be in this world trapped here with no reliable way to exit. The most tragic thing is how life evolved in the first place and how we have the ability to be aware of all of this. Life serves no purpose other to act as a meaningless cycle of suffering that will continue to be repeated as long as life is brought here. It's awful how something so pointless as life also is so painful, and I find it so disturbing to think about all the ways that living beings are being tortured right now.

In a life where suffering is guaranteed to get worse only the thought of being dead is the true relief, it could never be tragic to die, I see so much beauty in permanently leaving this world, the only tragedy lies in what life burdens us with. It makes sense to wish to leave as what could ever be so desirable about a world where we can suffer to unlimited amounts and it fills me with dread the thought of continuing to exist. Only those who die are the lucky ones and I so envy those who voluntarily free themselves from this world as there is nothing more admirable than choosing to end all the suffering.

 

[grosz]

I get you and honestly I think the same as you, suffering that life gives us is just unnecessary and worthless and death is the only thing that can free us from it. People put grinding on a pedestal because one of 10000000000 people grinding actually had a successful life and became someone who can at least satisfy their primal instincs therefore getting the sweet dopamine and serotonine that many can wish for.

That is why I have bought SN already and I am willing to go soon, dont really know when, but yeah imagine staying here only to work more and more and seeing my body age more and more only so that I will die in the end anyway, like imagine going through all this pain, diseases and grinding for money and other necessary things only to fucking stop existing at the end the same way as you would have stopped existing if you decided to end it a way before.

Sadly we do are anchored to this shitty life by primal instincs that do not allow us to just peacefully go away, they will produce adrenaline when we die so that our sentience (us) will try to stop the process of dying and live on. Many people have seen the truth that everythingg in the end is futile and decided to overcome their PI and kill themselves, I only can hope that I will kill myself soon and end this fucking misery.

 

[bluem00n]

Yes, as you point out ... "The reality is that existing will definitely get worse as time goes on" ...

Below for example is an extract from an article published today about the invisible but all-too-common fate of elderly people who live alone ...

When Mary Partington, 86, suffered a stroke at home in September 2021, it was 20 hours before she was found.
Twenty hours of not being able to move, lying scared and in pain on her kitchen floor. Her dinner, a stew, sat cold on the kitchen bench.
Greg Partington feared the worst when he looked through the window of his mother's Wellsford, Auckland, home and saw her.
Mary died eight days later, the stroke having "devastated" the left side of her brain.
"My mother could have been there for days, or even weeks."
While it was no one's fault, Greg couldn't let go of the fact his mum suffered while surrounded by unsuspecting neighbours.
"The thought of my mum lying there all alone on that floor. It was a cold night. It just makes me feel very sad."

Though such deaths are hardly ever mentioned in Western news media, they are as routine there as the far better documented 'kodokushi' of Japan, as the most probable outcome for older folk who live alone with little to no social connection. Avoiding such an awful fate is in my view a valid reason for CTB to be made far more readily accessible.​

 

[freedompass]

At 60 I'm happier than ever before in my whole adult life…nothing in life is as cut and dried or predictable as you seem to imply, stating your opinion as incontrovertible fact and trashing anything that might contradict it as toxic positivity. Good luck with that, I wish you the best

 

[SamTam33]

Don't you just love how we're supposed to work until we're elderly and decrepit, then retire and prepare to die.

 

[freedompass]

Yes, as you point out ... "The reality is that existing will definitely get worse as time goes on" ...

Below for example is an extract from an article published today about the invisible but all-too-common fate of elderly people who live alone ...

When Mary Partington, 86, suffered a stroke at home in September 2021, it was 20 hours before she was found.
Twenty hours of not being able to move, lying scared and in pain on her kitchen floor. Her dinner, a stew, sat cold on the kitchen bench.
Greg Partington feared the worst when he looked through the window of his mother's Wellsford, Auckland, home and saw her.
Mary died eight days later, the stroke having "devastated" the left side of her brain.
"My mother could have been there for days, or even weeks."
While it was no one's fault, Greg couldn't let go of the fact his mum suffered while surrounded by unsuspecting neighbours.
"The thought of my mum lying there all alone on that floor. It was a cold night. It just makes me feel very sad."

Though such deaths are hardly ever mentioned in Western news media, they are as routine there as the far better documented 'kodokushi' of Japan, as the most probable outcome for older folk who live alone with little to no social connection. Avoiding such an awful fate is in my view a valid reason for CTB to be made far more readily accessible.​

Look. Even elderly people living alone have options. My mum is 90, she has an alarm on a wristband precisely for this kind of eventuality. I'm not trying to say extreme old age is fun, but most developed nations have services of this kind. If I ever end up lying on a cold floor for weeks I would see that as my own failure to adequately prepare. The frailty of old age is known to everyone, it's nothing new.

 

[Wannagonow]

Yes, as you point out ... "The reality is that existing will definitely get worse as time goes on" ...

Below for example is an extract from an article published today about the invisible but all-too-common fate of elderly people who live alone ...

When Mary Partington, 86, suffered a stroke at home in September 2021, it was 20 hours before she was found.
Twenty hours of not being able to move, lying scared and in pain on her kitchen floor. Her dinner, a stew, sat cold on the kitchen bench.
Greg Partington feared the worst when he looked through the window of his mother's Wellsford, Auckland, home and saw her.
Mary died eight days later, the stroke having "devastated" the left side of her brain.
"My mother could have been there for days, or even weeks."
While it was no one's fault, Greg couldn't let go of the fact his mum suffered while surrounded by unsuspecting neighbours.
"The thought of my mum lying there all alone on that floor. It was a cold night. It just makes me feel very sad."

Though such deaths are hardly ever mentioned in Western news media, they are as routine there as the far better documented 'kodokushi' of Japan, as the most probable outcome for older folk who live alone with little to no social connection. Avoiding such an awful fate is in my view a valid reason for CTB to be made far more readily accessible.​

I appreciate the interesting story and can relate. Many years ago my parents lived around the corner from my 93 year old grandmother. Every night my dad would walk over and watch the evening news with her. One night he walked over and found her face down on the floor of her living room. Several hours earlier she had fallen, broken her hip and pelvis and couldn't move. Hours of horrid pain- scared and alone. Her stomach was distended due to the massive internal bleeding. All they could do was keep her pain free and she passed away the next day. I'm only in my 50's...but I plan on checking out way before that could ever happen to me (my bipolar shit will take care of that). I think we treat our elderly like crap. So yes. The longer we're here the worse things get.

 

[Chinaski]

Yes, as you point out ... "The reality is that existing will definitely get worse as time goes on" ...

Below for example is an extract from an article published today about the invisible but all-too-common fate of elderly people who live alone ...

When Mary Partington, 86, suffered a stroke at home in September 2021, it was 20 hours before she was found.
Twenty hours of not being able to move, lying scared and in pain on her kitchen floor. Her dinner, a stew, sat cold on the kitchen bench.
Greg Partington feared the worst when he looked through the window of his mother's Wellsford, Auckland, home and saw her.
Mary died eight days later, the stroke having "devastated" the left side of her brain.
"My mother could have been there for days, or even weeks."
While it was no one's fault, Greg couldn't let go of the fact his mum suffered while surrounded by unsuspecting neighbours.
"The thought of my mum lying there all alone on that floor. It was a cold night. It just makes me feel very sad."

Though such deaths are hardly ever mentioned in Western news media, they are as routine there as the far better documented 'kodokushi' of Japan, as the most probable outcome for older folk who live alone with little to no social connection. Avoiding such an awful fate is in my view a valid reason for CTB to be made far more readily accessible.​

She died badly, as many people do to varying degrees, but this does not mean she lived badly up until that point and whilst euthanasia/suicide when facing a certain unpleasant death is logical, l doubt many people would choose suicide as a means of avoiding the indistinct possibility of a potential bad death many years down the line.

 

[bluem00n]

At 60 I'm happier than ever before in my whole adult life…nothing in life is as cut and dried or predictable as you seem to imply, stating your opinion as incontrovertible fact and trashing anything that might contradict it as toxic positivity. Good luck with that, I wish you the best

Your opposition to FuneralCry's core proposition on this thread - that quality-of-life invariably unravels over time - suggests you believe quality-of-life is sustainable in some kind of ongoing sense ... that you reject "as time goes on humans will just suffer more and that is the reality", likewise you reject "Human beings are destined to suffer, deteriorate and die and it's simply just the way that life is. Existing will get worse and more torturous as time goes on". Are you saying these statements are false ...?

The evidence you present to counter FuneralCry's assertions is that "at 60 I'm happier than ever before in my whole adult life" (can't help wondering, how the heck did you end up on a Suicide Forum ...? ;).

In the context of this thread's proposal then, the question that comes to mind is ... is your current state of happiness actually sustainable ...? Or will it in time unravel, as FuneralCry's post asserts ...? You also state that "nothing in life is as cut and dried or predictable as you seem to imply" (I think you might be overlooking Death there, which is after all the primary focus of all FuneralCry posts).

It does seem to be an 'incontrovertible fact' that quality-of-life deteriorates as time passes, and if that is accepted as entirely true, it follows that any differing view would be by definition delusional, and that individuals promoting a delusional view would indeed appear 'toxic' to non-delusional individuals.

Seeing as that is the thrust of FuneralCry's post (as reflected in the title) - I'm keen to understand why you reject it.
OK then ...
Good luck with that, I wish you the best.
(I reckon that phrase is becoming the equivalent of 'have a nice day' round here! ;)​

 

[locked*n*loaded]

At 60 I'm happier than ever before in my whole adult life…nothing in life is as cut and dried or predictable as you seem to imply, stating your opinion as incontrovertible fact and trashing anything that might contradict it as toxic positivity. Good luck with that, I wish you the best

Then why are you on a suicide forum, may I ask?

 

[freedompass]

Your opposition to FuneralCry's core proposition on this thread - that quality-of-life invariably unravels over time - suggests you believe quality-of-life is sustainable in some kind of ongoing sense ... that you reject "as time goes on humans will just suffer more and that is the reality", likewise you reject "Human beings are destined to suffer, deteriorate and die and it's simply just the way that life is. Existing will get worse and more torturous as time goes on". Are you saying these statements are false ...?

The evidence you present to counter FuneralCry's assertions is that "at 60 I'm happier than ever before in my whole adult life" (can't help wondering, how the heck did you end up on a Suicide Forum ...? ;).

In the context of this thread's proposal then, the question that comes to mind is ... is your current state of happiness actually sustainable ...? Or will it in time unravel, as FuneralCry's post asserts ...? You also state that "nothing in life is as cut and dried or predictable as you seem to imply" (I think you might be overlooking Death there, which is after all the primary focus of all FuneralCry posts).

It does seem to be an 'incontrovertible fact' that quality-of-life deteriorates as time passes, and if that is accepted as entirely true, it follows that any differing view would be by definition delusional, and that individuals promoting a delusional view would indeed appear 'toxic' to non-delusional individuals.

Seeing as that is the thrust of FuneralCry's post (as reflected in the title) - I'm keen to understand why you reject it.
OK then ...
Good luck with that, I wish you the best.
(I reckon that phrase is becoming the equivalent of 'have a nice day' round here! ;)​

I'm glad for you that you're so certain of the rightness of your propositions. It must be great to have so much certainty. I'm not going to bother answering you point by point as it won't change a thing, nor do I feel the need to defend anything I've said. All the best to you too

Then why are you on a suicide forum, may I ask?

Try reading my post history, I'm not new to here

 

[sourpink]

in this case, for myself personally, I have to say I do agree with @FuneralCry in the op on this one. with caveats.
already I've lived longer than I had intended, and not that my current experience is anything comparable to what old age could bring, I'm already living with consequences of years past, as well as the frankly inevitable decline in a couple of conditions I've spent decades trying to make the best of. I don't feel that a significant change for the better is in the cards for me, and I've made my peace with that, mostly.
however, I really must disagree that how I feel and my opinion that existence likely will only become more unbearable, can be applied in a sweep to the majority. this, how I feel about what the inevitable is, is something I apply only to myself. I can only speak for myself, and such a generalization posited as fact feels disrespectful and wholly inaccurate.
I do want to add I mean no disrespect, only to throw my thoughts on the topic in here.
reading @freedompass ' perspective, I am so glad that these opinions are the subjective things they are. I wish I could see 60 and genuinely feel similarly. while I doubt the possibility highly, I would hope that might be the outcome for as many people as possible.
I appreciate the discussion this thread has opened up, and just wanted to toss in my perspectives here.

 

[bluem00n]

She died badly, as many people do to varying degrees, but this does not mean she lived badly up until that point and whilst euthanasia/suicide when facing a certain unpleasant death is logical, l doubt many people would choose suicide as a means of avoiding the indistinct possibility of a potential bad death many years down the line.

Fair enough observations.

However, that one example is not really the thrust of my post - the point was that it's actually commonplace, and as such supports FuneralCry's assertions in Post #1. I for one am facing this exact scenario with about a 95% probability, which is why I elect to CTB. Worse things can happen too - I've written about them at some length here. The only way I could avoid such an outcome is if by pure chance I happened to collapse at the supermarket or somesuch.

And here's another tragic instance from the same news source, a recent case of someone desperate to die, but forced to live ...​

 

[freedompass]

in this case, for myself personally, I have to say I do agree with @FuneralCry in the op on this one. with caveats.
already I've lived longer than I had intended, and not that my current experience is anything comparable to what old age could bring, I'm already living with consequences of years past, as well as the frankly inevitable decline in a couple of conditions I've spent decades trying to make the best of. I don't feel that a significant change for the better is in the cards for me, and I've made my peace with that, mostly.
however, I really must disagree that how I feel and my opinion that existence likely will only become more unbearable, can be applied in a sweep to the majority. this, how I feel about what the inevitable is, is something I apply only to myself. I can only speak for myself, and such a generalization posited as fact feels disrespectful and wholly inaccurate.
I do want to add I mean no disrespect, only to throw my thoughts on the topic in here.
reading @freedompass ' perspective, I am so glad that these opinions are the subjective things they are. I wish I could see 60 and genuinely feel similarly. while I doubt the possibility highly, I would hope that might be the outcome for as many people as possible.
I appreciate the discussion this thread has opened up, and just wanted to toss in my perspectives here.

Thank you for the considered and refreshingly nuanced response, some people are apt to jump to unwarranted conclusions and it doesn't really encourage me to elaborate on why I said what I said. I've not been on these forums for several weeks as I was processing a lot of quite difficult emotions that surfaced this year regarding my immediate family and the unrelentingly negative 'groupthink' element annoys me not gonna lie.

Nothing is inevitable except death itself. I'm sure at some point I'll post an update on the recovery forum but for now it's probably best I keep quiet.

 

[sourpink]

edit: I've forgotten how to properly quote. this was in response to @freedompass

I hear you. the 'groupthink' element as you described, is spot on. I have been absent from these forums for some time, only lurking the past few (ish ?) months. so my take on the current standing of said groupthink and its culture isn't deeply researched.
don't feel pressured or obligated to expand on what you've said. do what's best for yourself and what feels right.
not that it should need to be said, but you have just as much 'right' to be here as anyone else. no explanation owed.
I'm glad to have been of any help, positivity, [insert the word I'm looking for] etc.
and I agree, death (and I would argue, change) is the only inevitability.

 

[Low_Spectre]

The belief that the world might get better in the future and that it's worth trying to contribute isn't "toxic positivity". That's not what that term means and it sucks to see it's meaning diluted in a space like this where recognizing it for what it is is really valuable. The assertion that all life is nothing but suffering and that the possibility of anyone's life improving "literally makes no sense", on the other hand, is the negative-take mirror image of "toxic positivity" as a concept. The thing about this forum that irks me the most is threads framing subjective experience as objective with such absolute certainty. It's easy to form an insular view of society when you're getting your social interaction on a suicide forum but the truth is that plenty of people lead a life where joy and earthly delight outweigh suffering by a large margin, enough so that struggling to access an organic will to live isn't something they ever even have to grapple with. For anybody reading this who's here in search of confirmation that life will not and cannot improve for you, remember how insular of a space it is that you're interacting with and take a step back from it.

 

[FuneralCry]

Well, life objectively is horrific. It's not just a point of view saying this. There is so much very real torture that is constantly being experienced so it's not being too negative pointing this out, I'm just seeing life for what it really is. But at the end of the day people can believe in their delusions all that they want, they can go and enjoy their privileged lives but it will be different when they inevitably suffer. Like I don't get why anyone would wish to get old. Why do people want to torture themselves, that is just insane to me. There's always at least a few people on here who like to glorify life, it's strange to me for them to do this on a suicide forum.

Also I was confused as well why someone would come on here if they see themselves as being 'happy', like it makes no sense, wouldn't they be enjoying life instead if it's so great for them. But maybe people like that just like to arrogantly brag about their privileged lives as it makes them feel better looking down on suffering people. And those are always the types of people who complain about others being too negative when they are simply being realistic. No wonder suicide is such a stigmatised subject when people continue to act like that. Privileged people likely won't understand this but many of us on here simply don't want to suffer and get old. It's as simple as that and I'm sorry if this fact annoys people but it's the reality.

But yes, old age is absolutely terrifying to me and disturbing. Whatever happens, I'm never ever getting old like that. It sounds horrible the way that those people who are mentioned died but at least they are free from this world now.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Personally, I do hold many of the same viewpoints as the OP. I think life is terribly cruel and I can't help but wonder (and worry) what friend's children have lying ahead of them- I wonder if they will end up suffering and I wonder how they will cope with it.

That said- I know plenty of people who DO see worth and even beauty in life. Even when life has handed them a pretty shitty deal (they aren't all super privelaged.) They just see life differently. Maybe you could say they are delusional or worse- blind to the suffering of others- some of which likely happens in a small part because of them (ever eaten processed meat or animal products? Ever bought something made in a developing country? We are likely ALL guilty to some extent of making another living beings life worse.)

Still, I can't see them all as stupid or utterly delusional. I don't think everyone should be miserable and that to not be miserable- there has to be something wrong with you. I just think they have different mindsets and have had different experiences in their lives. Maybe they have encountered terrible hardships but they have been lucky enough to get the treatment and support they needed to overcome them. I don't know- they're certainly not me but I don't think they're necessarily wrong.

I kind of doubt that anyone relishes growing old, feeble and infirm. I guess a lot of people just try to not think about it until it happens- and to enjoy their health while they have it.

Should young, healthy people with reasonable lives make the effort to make themselves depressed because one day in the future, they might loose it all? Should old people who are ill and suffering be told they are just being sentimental, delusional and stupid because they are hanging on to spend time with their families? Should we all be so conscious of the terrible impact we have on the planet and each other that we prevent ourselves from enjoying anything?

Yes- all of those mindsets may be the most realistic- the most honest. But how would they help us? I mean- I guess they may lead to widespread antinatilism and assisted euthanasia- so- good for us I guess but I simply don't think you could enforce misery on everyone... We're in the minority group still (at the moment.)

Honestly, I guess I'm always kind of curious with your posts because I think you are one of the most empathetic, compassionate and sensitive people here. Your replies to people are always so beautiful and I'm sure myself and others are always so grateful to read them. You seem to really understand and respect peoples' life's experience. I believe you would never undermine someone's reasons for wanting to CTB. I know in the past you have said you are comfortable for the pro-lifers to carry on living- so long as they respect our rights to die. Not really a 'live and let live', more of a 'live and let die' sentiment. I guess I do find it curious though that while you say this, you will undermine other people's wishes to keep living by saying they are all delusional (crazy?) and fundamentaly wrong because all life is suffering and bad. That doesn't take into account their experience of life.

While I do actually see the world through a similar lens to the OP, I can also understand why people get annoyed by the absoluteness of it- basically- all life is bad and you're wrong if you think otherwise. Life is an experience and not everyone would tell you their life had been bad. (Even though we might perceive that their life looked hard, they may have experienced it differently.)

To be brutally honest, I sort of see the nihilistic point of view as similar in strength at least to someone who is vehemently religious. Being of a pessimistic persuassion myself, I see more evidence at least supporting the nihilistic viewpoint. Still- I don't think it takes into account the experience of every living thing on this planet. I suspect many animals for instance don't think that much about what is right or wrong, fair or unfair- they just try to survive- they likely don't care if there is a meaning behind it all. Plus not every single human on the planet will suffer horribly or think that their life had all been dreadful. Otherwise- no one would be having children and assisted euthanasia would be legal for everyone.

We might not like it but our world view isn't everyone elses. If you want to believe everyone else is crazy- then fine- I guess. In which case- why are we the ones taking all the anti-depressant/ anti-psychotic pills? Maybe the normies should be given some sort of truth serum...

 

[BlazingBob]

At 60 I'm happier than ever before in my whole adult life…nothing in life is as cut and dried or predictable as you seem to imply, stating your opinion as incontrovertible fact and trashing anything that might contradict it as toxic positivity. Good luck with that, I wish you the best

I have parkinson's and several other debilitating progressive incurable health issues. It's a pretty damn 'incontrovertible' fact that my life isn't going to get better. I'm just curious why if you're so happy you're reading and commenting on a forum like this. Shouldn't you be out enjoying the sunshine and smelling roses or something? Maybe you are and are just taking a break to let us miserables know how great your life is. I'm so happy to hear it. You just made my day.

 

[SamTam33]

It should be common knowledge that everyone speaks from their perspective and experience, and they're sharing their thoughts on XYZ.

So there's no reason to qualify every post with "In my opinion" and there's no need to reply with "Well that's not the case for everyone." Those two statements are always implied.

Anyway, I bet there's more proof that quality of life deteriorates as you get older as opposed to getting better or staying the same. Especially if you refer to the physical aspects.

 

[Jarni]

At 60 I'm happier than ever before in my whole adult life…nothing in life is as cut and dried or predictable as you seem to imply, stating your opinion as incontrovertible fact and trashing anything that might contradict it as toxic positivity. Good luck with that, I wish you the best

Sorry but if at 60 you are happier than ever so your life before was not good.. And I'm sorry for that... The most interesting in life are romantic emotions, love, adventures... Also art, knowledge, discoveries.. With the age all of this is declining and it is difficult to have a good looking partner with a good health and looking this world in an optimistic and fresh, creative, poetic manner. The same for friends...

 

[SamTam33]

I have parkinson's and several other debilitating progressive incurable health issues. It's a pretty damn 'incontrovertible' fact that my life isn't going to get better. I'm just curious why if you're so happy you're reading and commenting on a forum like this. Shouldn't you be out enjoying the sunshine and smelling roses or something? Maybe you are and are just taking a break to let us miserables know how great your life is. I'm so happy to hear it. You just made my day.

I don't believe for one nano second that people on this board are happy or recovered or whatever else they claim.

Like the thread last night that got deleted where the poster admitted to having a meltdown two days ago, but was on here advertising a Q&A on how to be happy. SMH.

No way you jeopardize your freshly acquired happiness by arguing with a bunch of highly suicidal individuals.

That's like a recovering alcoholic hanging outside the liquor store trying to proselytize to patrons.

 

[freedompass]

Also I was confused as well why someone would come on here if they see themselves as being 'happy', like it makes no sense, wouldn't they be enjoying life instead if it's so great for them. But maybe people like that just like to arrogantly brag about their privileged lives as it makes them feel better looking down on suffering people. And those are always the types of people who complain about others being too negative when they are simply being realistic. No wonder suicide is such a stigmatised subject when people continue to act like that. Privileged people likely won't understand this but many of us on here simply don't want to suffer and get old. It's as simple as that and I'm sorry if this fact annoys people but it's the reality.

Ah ok you want to continue this.
I said happiER. Can you grasp the subtle difference there. HappiER. You can have no clue what my life was like before or why I ended up on suicide forums for the last 10 plus years. So you think I'm bragging. I simply don't concur with the inevitability of things getting worse as time goes on. It's not been my experience, so why would I.

Sorry but if at 60 you are happier than ever so your life before was not good.. And I'm sorry for that... The most interesting in life are romantic emotions, love, adventures... Also art, knowledge, discoveries.. With the age all of this is declining and it is difficult to have a good looking partner with a good health and looking this world in an optimistic and fresh, creative, poetic manner. The same for friends...

Please don't be sorry, I don't need your pity or condescension or your lectures about what matters most in life. You know nothing about me whatsoever and FYI it's by no means unusual for people to be happier in their 60's and 70's.

Wow. Who'd have thought the one word happier would trigger y'all so much.

I don't believe for one nano second that people on this board are happy or recovered or whatever else they claim.

Like the thread last night that got deleted where the poster admitted to having a meltdown two days ago, but was on here advertising a Q&A on how to be happy. SMH.

No way you jeopardize your freshly acquired happiness by arguing with a bunch of highly suicidal individuals.

That's like a recovering alcoholic hanging outside the liquor store trying to proselytize to patrons.

You think I'm proselytising? Look elsewhere for that. To the OP for instance.

I have parkinson's and several other debilitating progressive incurable health issues. It's a pretty damn 'incontrovertible' fact that my life isn't going to get better. I'm just curious why if you're so happy you're reading and commenting on a forum like this. Shouldn't you be out enjoying the sunshine and smelling roses or something? Maybe you are and are just taking a break to let us miserables know how great your life is. I'm so happy to hear it. You just made my day.

My post history is available for all to read if genuinely interested. And I'm sorry to hear about your illnesses. Also sorry if the word 'happier' caused your day to be ruined. Context is everything. I don't agree with FuneralCry let's just leave it there.

 

[SamTam33]

...You think I'm proselytising? Look elsewhere for that. To the OP for instance...

I don't know what you're doing, but I don't believe people who hang out here on the regular are all that happy. Even when they proclaim to be. I just don't believe them.

I think they want to project happiness in the same way some people want to project success or a prosperous marriage.

If you've ever TRULY been suicidal and TRULY recovered, then you'll know how rare it is. You'll know how much effort goes into recovery. You would understand the defeatist thoughts that live alongside the suicidal ones. You'd know that it takes far more than words to overcome this mindset.

If you truly put in the work, as people in AA like to say, you'd have an appreciation for how difficult it is to achieve.

I don't know your post history or your story and my comments were more of a general reflection of how I see people who come here and post stuff like, "You can be happy if you try. I am!"

I call bullshit.

 

[freedompass]

I don't know what you're doing, but I don't believe people who hang out here on the regular are all that happy. Even when they proclaim to be. I just don't believe them.

I think they want to project happiness in the same way some people want to project success or a prosperous marriage.

If you've ever TRULY been suicidal and TRULY recovered, then you'll know how rare it is. You'll know how much effort goes into recovery. You would understand the defeatist thoughts that live alongside the suicidal ones. You'd know that it takes far more than words to overcome this mindset.

If you truly put in the work, as people in AA like to say, you'd have an appreciation for how difficult it is to achieve.

I don't know your post history or your story and my comments were more of a general reflection of how I see people who come here and post stuff like, "You can be happy if you try. I am!"

I call bullshit.

I said I was happiER. Not happy. SMH. It remains true. The remark was in response to FC's post that stated everything gets worse with time.

Never have I talked about being recovered, nothing like that ever…it is literally ONE WORD in a particular context that you're choosing to be offended by and extrapolate from.

Ridiculous.

Anyway, I bet there's more proof that quality of life deteriorates as you get older as opposed to getting better or staying the same. Especially if you refer to the physical aspects.

Physically things often do get worse. But many people report enjoying life more in their 60's and 70's. I would not go back to my 20's for anything. I've struggled with severe mental illness for my whole adult life. I am more stable now and have a happier outlook.

Could your 60s and 70s be the best decades of life?

Retirement is often portrayed as a time of decline, but many older people say their lives are more fulfilling and joyful than ever

www.theguardian.com

 

[Chinaski]

This whole issue could be resolved if only the mods would create a rule whereby anyone who states they currently feel better than they have done previously after battling with long-term suicidal impulse and ideation is instabanned for pRoLiFiNg, thus creating the necessary and appropriate safe space for people who like the idea of suicide as abstract whimsy to denounce anyone who finds one solitary thing in life to be quite pleasurable as insane and condemn the government for not sending a doctor round to their house with a death pill on a silver platter.

 

[SamTam33]

I said I was happiER. Not happy. SMH. It remains true. The remark was in response to FC's post that stated everything gets worse with time.

Never have I talked about being recovered, nothing like that ever…it is literally ONE WORD in a particular context that you're choosing to be offended by and extrapolate from.

Ridiculous.

Physically things often do get worse. But many people report enjoying life more in their 60's and 70's. I would not go back to my 20's for anything. I've struggled with severe mental illness for my whole adult life. I am more stable now and have a happier outlook.

Could your 60s and 70s be the best decades of life?

Retirement is often portrayed as a time of decline, but many older people say their lives are more fulfilling and joyful than ever

www.theguardian.com

Just to reiterate, my statement wasn't about YOU. If you're happIER... Whoopty do.

 

[Chinaski]

Just to reiterate, my statement wasn't about YOU. If you're happIER... Whoopty do.

You literally quoted them and replied directly to the quote, addressing them directly throughout...??

 

[SamTam33]

You literally quoted them and replied directly to the quote, addressing them directly throughout...??

I've been drinking all day so I might be a bit cross-eyed, but I quoted Blazing Bob and remarked that I don't buy the "I'm happy!" spiel. I even provided an example of the type of posting I was referring to with the deleted thread.

FreedomPass thought I was talking directly to them. I wasn't.

 

[freedompass]

I've been drinking all day so I might be a bit cross-eyed, but I quoted Blazing Bob and remarked that I don't buy the "I'm happy!" spiel. I even provided an example of the type of posting I was referring to with the deleted thread.

FreedomPass thought I was talking directly to them. I wasn't.

Colour me insane for responding to you quoting me directly. My bad