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TooConscious

Enlightened
Sep 16, 2020
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I struggle to believe this if what you say is true then there's either a case of corruption, 'body-cams turned off' as the police have a duty of care. If I'm correct they should by law have took you to the hospital. Or if you did ctb they'd have faced consequences.
 
degeneratewaste

degeneratewaste

dressed for the grave.
Aug 24, 2020
264
UK is literally fucked. I had a friend attempt to take her life before and she didn't even get put in the psych ward - as soon as the hospital reversed the damage she'd done to her body, she was sent straight home again. good luck finding help if you want it here. :^)
 
x~Sophia~x

x~Sophia~x

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Sep 10, 2020
1,361
I struggle to believe this if what you say is true then there's either a case of corruption, 'body-cams turned off' as the police have a duty of care. If I'm correct they should by law have took you to the hospital. Or if you did ctb they'd have faced consequences.
What's the point in the Police taking OP to hospital when they've obviously already been told by someone at the hospital NOT to take them there?
UK is literally fucked. I had a friend attempt to take her life before and she didn't even get put in the psych ward - as soon as the hospital reversed the damage she'd done to her body, she was sent straight home again. good luck finding help if you want it here. :^)
Does your friend have BPD by any chance?
 
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degeneratewaste

degeneratewaste

dressed for the grave.
Aug 24, 2020
264
What's the point in the Police taking OP to hospital when they've obviously already been told by someone at the hospital NOT to take them there?

Does your friend have BPD by any chance?
she does but it was not diagnosed at the time.
 
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x~Sophia~x

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she does but it was not diagnosed at the time.
It was probably suspected that she had BPD, and it's been 'proven' that people with BPD don't benefit from long term hospital admissions (so they say in the NICE guidelines). But everyone with BPD is different and are on a spectrum, so I don't understand how it's fair to lump everyone with BPD as the same.
Was your friend under the age of 18? They don't like to officially diagnose BPD until at least 18 years of age.
 
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degeneratewaste

degeneratewaste

dressed for the grave.
Aug 24, 2020
264
It was probably suspected that she had BPD, and it's been 'proven' that people with BPD don't benefit from long term hospital admissions (so they say in the NICE guidelines). But everyone with BPD is different and are on a spectrum, so I don't understand how it's fair to lump everyone with BPD as the same.
Was your friend under the age of 18? They don't like to officially diagnose BPD until at least 18 years of age.
nope, she was 19 at the time. perhaps you are right, I don't know, but I am sure of one thing, and that is that mental health is not taken seriously in this stupid fucking country, lmao. I've pestered for help for so long, it doesn't work. they only care when you're dead.
 
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Gnip

Gnip

Bill the Cat
Oct 10, 2020
621
Just watched it. That f*cked me up more than I thought it would.

Previously, there were only still photographs of shotgun aftermaths on sites like Rotten and BestGore, but nothing is censored in recent years. After having watched chainsaw beheadings in Mexico, Central and South America by drug gang hoods, I'll never be able to hear the sound of a chainsaw the same way again (or the sound of a chopping ax after seeing girls getting their heads chopped off).

Anybody singing "It's a Beautiful World" today ought to get their face slapped and be forced to watch this shit. More motivation to CTB. (But shock sites do show the world the way it is, and many of us here have described being shown the ass end of this planet from birth.)
 
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Nimbus

Nimbus

Hanging on is hard
Dec 2, 2019
211
I'm sorry things happened this way. Having received a visit from the police myself for similar reasons, I know how invasive it feels and how upsetting and frustrating it can be. But I'm also a bit confused about all the comments re: lack of help. Should they have taken OP to the hospital against their will? Did they want to be hospitalized? It doesn't sound like it (and I don't blame them) but I don't want to presume. What more could the nurse have done over the phone? Granted, it seems like it was a feeble attempt on the nurses' part but I'm not sure what more could've been done if OP didn't want help, wasn't willing to give or show them the poison, etc. Again, not criticizing the OP at all - I would've done the same thing more or less - but let's remember these people are just doing their jobs the best they can (I believe).
 
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Sinkinshyp

Paragon
Sep 7, 2020
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since my son died Im on mediumship groups and an evp group. I mentioned in the evp group I was joining him soon. They called the police. USA. I told the truth Yes I want to die. I welcome it. It it came for me now I would be there with bells on. My son id dead-no way to fix it unless I can go to him. DO I have a plan? nope Im vey depressed and just want my son. But I wish to die so I can be with my son. So they lets me alone.
 
Mentalmick

Mentalmick

IMHOTEP!!!
Nov 30, 2020
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Attitudes to suicide have changed over the years in the UK. Now it's only if you're a threat to others that action will be taken. Harming yourself is irrelevant now. In fact it's preferable to the NHS if you do ctb as it saves them paperwork and the use of a hospital bed.
 
KuriGohan&Kamehameha

KuriGohan&Kamehameha

想死不能 - 想活不能
Nov 23, 2020
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It is very sad they seemed to have the attitude of, "not our problem" and gish galloped you back and forth between the hospital and the police. I know it must be so heartbreaking when you need some empathy and all they care about is whether or not they have to lock you up in the psych ward. Can't help but wonder how on earth they expect a de facto prison to be rehabilitation for suicidal people.
 
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Soulless Angel

Soulless Angel

Did someone say Rum?
Jul 6, 2020
1,272
I'm wondering if its a case of, the email triggered a police response, that way if you were of a risk to others, or at current serious risk to yourself, or were totally distressed, then they could have sectioned you,
As you were calm and of I guess in their thoughts, of sound mind, then they refer you back to the hospital, as there is no reason to section you
When I have threatened on my life in the past, but have been distressed, out of control and a serious risk to myself and or others, they sectioned me under 136.

The last time I was in that mindset, I was so calm, and able to talk reasonably to them, they just sent me home whilst referring me back to the MHT.
The UK does suck when it comes to Mental Health, but then I think the whole world does, no one knows what to do, or whom to take seriously anymore, so many people use the word *mental* for the smallest of things, how can they work out who is actually serious any more? I know a lady on social media and for a joke her middle name is put as *mental* as apparently its fucking as she's fucking mental, as in crazy but in the haha side?
It makes no sense
 
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Marktheghost

Marktheghost

Paragon
Feb 20, 2020
912
To answer everybody's questions (sorry if I miss any, I wasn't expecting to get this many responses):

I'm using sodium nitrite.

I'd prefer something different to have happened instead of them leaving me alone, but nothing they were likely to do. Find me a nice girl to come and look after me. Maybe take me to hospital; at least I'd have some company there. The main reason I want to die is loneliness so that would help.

I think the nurse did tell the police that I didn't need to go to hospital. I don't know why though.

I don't think there was much the police could have done. Maybe there was nothing the nurse could have done either. They don't seem to try very hard though do they?

If I do want to go to hospital, making them think I'm going to hurt someone else would work then? (I'm not sure how I'd make them think that though.)
 
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Sep 10, 2020
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To answer everybody's questions (sorry if I miss any, I wasn't expecting to get this many responses):

I'm using sodium nitrite.

I'd prefer something different to have happened instead of them leaving me alone, but nothing they were likely to do. Find me a nice girl to come and look after me. Maybe take me to hospital; at least I'd have some company there. The main reason I want to die is loneliness so that would help.

I think the nurse did tell the police that I didn't need to go to hospital. I don't know why though.

I don't think there was much the police could have done. Maybe there was nothing the nurse could have done either. They don't seem to try very hard though do they?

If I do want to go to hospital, making them think I'm going to hurt someone else would work then? (I'm not sure how I'd make them think that though.)
As you were in your own home, the police couldn't have sectioned you anyway. If you had ventured away from your house and a concerned member of the public had contacted them, they would take you to hospital for assessment by the crisis team.

It's a difficult one, but I wouldn't go down that road of telling them you intend to hurt someone, because it would go on your records and remain there as you being a danger to yourself AND others, and you really don't want that label.

I think you need to decide what you want... do you want help to recover or do you want to ctb? If it's the former, you should have a good, honest chat with your psychiatrist, because at the moment you just seem to be testing them, and both the Police and your CMHT don't have the time or resources for game playing.
Good luck.
 
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Spitfire

Enlightened
Apr 26, 2020
1,274
I think it would be a bad idea to tell them you are homicidal (if you are not). I would not do that if it were me.

Possibly, you could think about explaining it was an actual thought of yours to claim being homicidal.. in order to try and get some help. I am not sure if it is a good idea either way?

The NHS sounds like such a different system compared to the United States. There is some help available here in the USA if someone wants it they can get it. Far from perfect as it is... A person could get lucky and find some good people providing legitimate help sometimes even if it is only just temporary.

I am sorry to hear the system is failing you and soo many other people.
 
MrBlue

MrBlue

Arcanist
Jul 1, 2020
416
The health sector was already strained before the pandemic. So now, while they legally have to prove they contacted you to cover their arses, they're unlikely to do anything unless you're literally about to die when they meet you.

The police are called as they can perform more aggressive restraining techniques on a suicidal person than a health worker. It might also work as an intimidation method for getting you to give up your method. I know when I last attempted I was threatened to be arrested if I didn't comply to an risk assessment.
 
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profoundexperience

profoundexperience

You can feel the punishment but you cant commit ts
Jun 29, 2020
436
I'd prefer something different to have happened instead of them leaving me alone, ... Maybe take me to hospital; at least I'd have some company there. The main reason I want to die is loneliness so that would help.
Unfortunately the hospitals are in a bad state just now with Covid... they likely don't want to take you unless absolutely necessary.

Do you have a mental health "team"? Psychiatrist/therapist? If not, you need to "push through" whatever you need to "push through" to get some. If so, your current team isn't helping enough and maybe you can ask to switch?

But, more importantly, I'd really recommend you looking into "support groups". Do you do any drinking or drugging? For example, going to Alcoholics Anonymous (or other "anonymous" group that better fits you). At least you can hear other people talk about their problems. I don't necessarily believe in their philosophy, but as for people "being there" for each other they do a pretty good job.

AND, there are bound to be other "support groups" that better fit you. I'm in the US, but your suicide prevention lines are run by the Samaritans, right? Call them up and say, "I'm not going to kill myself today.... but I'm having a lot of suicidal thoughts and was wondering if you knew of any 'support groups' (or other things) that could help me. And, you can call me back if you have more urgent calls waiting." Believe me, they'll probably be thrilled to help without the stress of having to "talk someone down". If they don't help enough... wait a few days, call again, and if you get the same person... politely ask to please speak to someone else.

The key I think for you is to engage with several support groups (if possible). The trouble is finding them and connecting in the time of Covid. PLEASE DO BE PERSISTENT!!!

Finally, if all that isn't making progress and you really want to get in the hospital for help... Take your SN to an emergency room and say, "I was about to take this poison to kill myself, but I decided to give it one last chance asking for help. Could you please help me?" I'm not 100% sure what they would do and maybe there's a better way (IT'D BE GREAT IF OTHERS WITH MORE EXPERIENCE COULD CHIME-IN HERE) & they will take the SN, but I'd think that would get you some priority help. At least I think that'd be a better option than claiming to want to hurt someone else.

I think you can recover from this, @Marktheghost and I wish you great wellness...
 
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Kennish

Specialist
Aug 17, 2021
381
Not in the UK. The NHS doesn't work like that. If you were to tell them you were going to harm/kill someone else, that would be a different matter.

However, I'm getting the impression that the OP is crying out for help rather than wanting to ctb.
Hi, what does OP mean? Alot of slang expressions in this site for guy from Denmark
Oi - so typical of the US and the outrageous cost of healthcare. I was in a hospital bed for 2 days after a tonic-clonic seizure (Grand Mal seizure), they did nothing but give me ibuprofen. The bill? $13k. The worst part? They caused the seizure because they gave me a medication that was contraindicated for the condition I was there for.

It is sad to see so many go through either inadequate care or over the top care.

<3
In Denmark every visit to the hospital is free. We pay through our taxes to the system. I would never have survived this long if I was born in the US.
 
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NormaJeane

NormaJeane

Member
Mar 24, 2021
648
The state has too much power over the population. With what right do the police have power over us - though some made-up laws, written by politicians. All people are going to die, even the policemen.