Discussion The only loving parents are the ones who don't have any children

[Daxter_87]

No matter how many people argue that the opposite is true, there are no loving parents, as bringing a creature into this world could never be an act of love; it is an act of pure selfishness. The child is not asking you to bring them here, you bring them here to fulfill whatever desires you have (whether those desires are about being a parent, experiencing love, etc.).

The true act of love and selflessness is to do everything in your power to never reproduce, either by getting a vasectomy or a tubal ligation, or by simply staying celibate. Condoms alone aren't really reliable, since they can break (among other things).

Bringing a baby into this world is beyond despicable. Trapping them in these awful bodies, which are constantly whipping us to do chores just to avoid pain. Having to go to school and work at a job just to survive. Mental illnesses, physical illnesses. Being disabled. Being born in poverty and living in filth. Being abused in any way. Being tortured. War. Having to deal with jackasses. The fact that there is absolutely no easy way out of here. It's just preposterous.

There are so many things that could go so horrifically wrong, and in so many ways, that no amount of the so-called pleasures of life could ever make up for it. Quite simply, it's criminal to have children; if you love them, then don't have any!

 

[chahan.trading]

No matter how many people argue that the opposite is true, there are no loving parents, as bringing a creature into this world could never be an act of love; it is an act of pure selfishness. The child is not asking you to bring them here, you bring them here to fulfill whatever desires you have (whether those desires are about being a parent, experiencing love, etc.).

The true act of love and selflessness is to do everything in your power to never reproduce, either by getting a vasectomy or a tubal ligation, or by simply staying celibate. Condoms alone aren't really reliable, since they can break (among other things).

Bringing a baby into this world is beyond despicable. Trapping them in these awful bodies, which are constantly whipping us to do chores just to avoid pain. Having to go to school and work at a job just to survive. Mental illnesses, physical illnesses. Being disabled. Being born in poverty and living in filth. Being abused in any way. Being tortured. War. Having to deal with jackasses. The fact that there is absolutely no easy way out of here. It's just preposterous.

There are so many things that could go so horrifically wrong, and in so many ways, that no amount of the so-called pleasures of life could ever make up for it. Quite simply, it's criminal to have children; if you love them, then don't have any!

I cannot agree more. With what i am experiencing now, bringing a child here without their choice is more like I'm giving them punishment.

 

[FuneralCry]

I agree, the true compassionate thing would be to leave the non-existent alone in peace, it's so selfish creating unnecessary suffering by forcing life here, I wish I never existed more than anything.

 

[SuicidalOrganism]

antinatalism

 

[iamalreadydead]

I've been feeling exactly like this lately, I think it's just fucking wrong to force anything to experience any of this. The ordeal of being alive.

 

[Emma.D]

No matter how many people argue that the opposite is true, there are no loving parents, as bringing a creature into this world could never be an act of love; it is an act of pure selfishness. The child is not asking you to bring them here, you bring them here to fulfill whatever desires you have (whether those desires are about being a parent, experiencing love, etc.).

The true act of love and selflessness is to do everything in your power to never reproduce, either by getting a vasectomy or a tubal ligation, or by simply staying celibate. Condoms alone aren't really reliable, since they can break (among other things).

Bringing a baby into this world is beyond despicable. Trapping them in these awful bodies, which are constantly whipping us to do chores just to avoid pain. Having to go to school and work at a job just to survive. Mental illnesses, physical illnesses. Being disabled. Being born in poverty and living in filth. Being abused in any way. Being tortured. War. Having to deal with jackasses. The fact that there is absolutely no easy way out of here. It's just preposterous.

There are so many things that could go so horrifically wrong, and in so many ways, that no amount of the so-called pleasures of life could ever make up for it. Quite simply, it's criminal to have children; if you love them, then don't have any!

This content is calling parents selfish, despicable and criminal. @RainAndSadness this is exactly the content I messaged you about.. how are parents going to feel reading this? They are going to feel like they don't belong here at all. It's so unpleasant and cruel.

 

[Daxter_87]

This content is calling parents selfish, despicable and criminal. @RainAndSadness this is exactly the content I messaged you about.. how are parents going to feel reading this? They are going to feel like they don't belong here at all. It's so unpleasant and cruel.

I'm not forcing you to read my post, really. Don't click on it if you don't want to. Parents can make threads on SaSu as well, I'm not arguing against that. If vulnerable and suffering parents make a post about their pain, I'm not going to attack them; they already in pain and they've already reproduced anyway.

 

[Myforevercharlie]

No matter how many people argue that the opposite is true, there are no loving parents, as bringing a creature into this world could never be an act of love; it is an act of pure selfishness. The child is not asking you to bring them here, you bring them here to fulfill whatever desires you have (whether those desires are about being a parent, experiencing love, etc.).

The true act of love and selflessness is to do everything in your power to never reproduce, either by getting a vasectomy or a tubal ligation, or by simply staying celibate. Condoms alone aren't really reliable, since they can break (among other things).

Bringing a baby into this world is beyond despicable. Trapping them in these awful bodies, which are constantly whipping us to do chores just to avoid pain. Having to go to school and work at a job just to survive. Mental illnesses, physical illnesses. Being disabled. Being born in poverty and living in filth. Being abused in any way. Being tortured. War. Having to deal with jackasses. The fact that there is absolutely no easy way out of here. It's just preposterous.

There are so many things that could go so horrifically wrong, and in so many ways, that no amount of the so-called pleasures of life could ever make up for it. Quite simply, it's criminal to have children; if you love them, then don't have any!

Me as a mother I'm highly offended by the claims you make. My son means the world to me, even now that he's an adult, he knows he's loved, can always call or stop by if he needs help.


When i got pregnant at 17 ( come on with the judgement) I never heard of BPD , so didn't know I could pass it on to him.
You can tell me I'm a despicable person for " putting him on this world" that only tells me you're very immature and would like to blame others for your problems.
Not every parent, most of them actually didn't bring children into this world because they like to see them suffer. Most parents actually love their child no matter what.

 

[saddestbunny]

Me as a mother I'm highly offended by the claims you make. My son means the world to me, even now that he's an adult, he knows he's loved, can always call or stop by if he needs help.


When i got pregnant at 17 ( come on with the judgement) I never heard of BPD , so didn't know I could pass it on to him.
You can tell me I'm a despicable person for " putting him on this world" that only tells me you're very immature and would like to blame others for your problems.
Not every parent, most of them actually didn't bring children into this world because they like to see them suffer. Most parents actually love their child no matter what.

who said you're despicable? you just said when u had a child u weren't aware of bpd, so didn't know u could pass it on to him. that sounds like ignorance to me.

and regardless of whether or not parents love their children, that often doesn't change the suffering they experience

 

[Myforevercharlie]

who said you're despicable? you just said when u had a child u weren't aware of bpd, so didn't know u could pass it on to him. that sounds like ignorance to me.

and regardless of whether or not parents love their children, that often doesn't change the suffering they experience

30 years ago there wasn't much known about BPD.

That's not ignorance. That's fact.

 

[saddestbunny]

30 years ago there wasn't much known about BPD.

That's not ignorance. That's fact.

So you were ignorant about bpd then...? I'm not sure where the disagreement on the definition of ignorant is but I think OP's point is knowingly creating suffering isn't good. well, creating any suffering isnt good but at least if you're ignorant you have an excuse. and I think they were calling the action despicable and not the people from what I read

 

[Myforevercharlie]

So you were ignorant about bpd then...? I'm not sure where the disagreement on the definition of ignorant is but I think OP's point is knowingly creating suffering isn't good. well, creating any suffering isnt good but at least if you're ignorant you have an excuse. and I think they were calling the action despicable and not the people from what I read

OP claims putting a child in to this world is never an act of love. I disagree.

English isn't my first language so I did have the definition on ignorance wrong, I apologize for that

 

[Daxter_87]

Me as a mother I'm highly offended by the claims you make. My son means the world to me, even now that he's an adult, he knows he's loved, can always call or stop by if he needs help.


When i got pregnant at 17 ( come on with the judgement) I never heard of BPD , so didn't know I could pass it on to him.
You can tell me I'm a despicable person for " putting him on this world" that only tells me you're very immature and would like to blame others for your problems.
Not every parent, most of them actually didn't bring children into this world because they like to see them suffer. Most parents actually love their child no matter what.

No, I won't judge you for getting pregnant at 17 years old because I don't know the context. As for not knowing about BPD, it's not really necessary. That's a specific type of suffering (just as valid as any other), but there are many other ways that your child can (and will) suffer. Indeed, the possibilities are almost limitless.

You think I'm immature for blaming parents for causing my suffering. Well, yes, the fact is that any suffering that I go through is on them, because if they didn't have me, this would not be possible. But it's not only about me, it's about many other people and animals who are victims of this existence.

 

[vitbar]

Having a child can still be an act of love. People can do stupid things for noble reasons. Even if the world is objectively not worth living in. They might not see life this way.

 

[Daxter_87]

Having a child can still be an act of love. People can do stupid things for noble reasons. Even if the world is objectively not worth living in. They might not see life this way.

It's an act of selfishness. Even if parents want to experience love, that's still a selfish desire, since they will non-consensually create another human being just to satisfy said desire. Yeah, we can do stupid things for noble reasons, but that doesn't make those things any less stupid. If I murder someone thinking that I'm doing god's work, I'm still a murderer.

 

[vitbar]

It's an act of selfishness. Even if parents want to experience love, that's still a selfish desire, since they will non-consensually create another human being just to satisfy said desire. Yeah, we can do stupid things for noble reasons, but that doesn't make those things any less stupid. If I murder someone thinking that I'm doing god's work, I'm still a murderer.

I'm saying they can believe it was worthwhile. That they can do it out of love. Could even be selfless, though I'm not sure there is such a thing as a fully selfless act. You're saying it has to be a loveless act, but this is wrong imo. Parents intentions could be pure.

 

[SamTam33]

I was just thinking today that if someone wakes up in this world and decide they want to "start a family" (), then they're some combination of evil, delusional and/or stupid.

I can't think of a decade in which that wouldn't have been true: Slavery, The Great Depression, the Holocaust, WWII, Vietnam War, Famine, recessions, Covid, war in Ukraine....

When has there ever been a time on earth where any rational person could've looked around and thought to themselves, "Yeah... I need to create a human so they can grow up and experience THIS."

Delusional. Evil. Ignorant. Selfish. Naive. Stupid. Pick your adjective.

Deliberately squirting out a baby into this cesspool of a society is diabolical.

 

[Daxter_87]

I was just thinking today that if someone wakes up in this world and decide they want to "start a family" (), then they're some combination of evil, delusional and/or stupid.

I can't think of a decade in which that wouldn't have been true: Slavery, The Great Depression, the Holocaust, WWII, Vietnam War, Famine, recessions, Covid, war in Ukraine....

When has there ever been a time on earth where any rational person could've looked around and thought to themselves, "Yeah... I need to create a human so they can grow up and experience THIS."

Delusional. Evil. Ignorant. Selfish. Naive. Stupid. Pick your adjective.

Deliberately squirting out a baby into this cesspool of a society is diabolical.

This. But apparently you can't say it because you are offending some people. Well, if I call a group of rapists rapists, then that's just how it is. If they don't want to be labeled as rapists, then stop raping.

 

[Dot]

It's an act of selfishness. Even if parents want to experience love, that's still a selfish desire, since they will non-consensually create another human being just to satisfy said desire. Yeah, we can do stupid things for noble reasons, but that doesn't make those things any less stupid. If I murder someone thinking that I'm doing god's work, I'm still a murderer.

Pls remmbr tht ur claims r opinns & r subjctve

Jst bcse othrs dsgree ds nt mke thm wrng -- thy jst crry a diffrnt opinn 2 u

St8tng thse opinns as fct & closng ppl wth diffrng opinns dwn = crossng a in2 proselytizng whch = nt permittd on ths frum

 

[AriasRed]

I honestly have absolutely no desire to have children simply because I don't want to cause suffering to another being. People really underestimate what it takes to be a good parent. My own parents are better than most that I know of, yet they did cause me a lot of suffering. While I cannot say every person that has children won't be good parents, they really should keep in mind that they are bringing another being to this world and be prepared to teach their kids how to survive, how to live. They brought us here, it is their job to help us make life worth living.

 

[suicidalloser]

They're not a parent, just a person.
But who needs labels.

antinatalism

damn right.

This content is calling parents selfish, despicable and criminal. @RainAndSadness this is exactly the content I messaged you about.. how are parents going to feel reading this? They are going to feel like they don't belong here at all. It's so unpleasant and cruel.

No cares about your children, Sophitia.

No, I won't judge you for getting pregnant at 17 years old because I don't know the context. As for not knowing about BPD, it's not really necessary. That's a specific type of suffering (just as valid as any other), but there are many other ways that your child can (and will) suffer. Indeed, the possibilities are almost limitless.

You think I'm immature for blaming parents for causing my suffering. Well, yes, the fact is that any suffering that I go through is on them, because if they didn't have me, this would not be possible. But it's not only about me, it's about many other people and animals who are victims of this existence.

OP claims putting a child in to this world is never an act of love. I disagree.

English isn't my first language so I did have the definition on ignorance wrong, I apologize for that

The question afterwards is:
Where are you know, are there financially still forever as it's your child; you help them because their your child, not expecting to be paid back, are you there for shelter, understanding, acceptance; caring doesn't stop at all for children for the whole life.

 

[Valky]

A parent without a child is not a parent, but that is not the point.

Reproduction is one of the most important concepts in biology, simply because it ensures the continuation of different species.
After all, reproducing from a biological point of view is a natural instinct and fundamental for many organisms. Therefore, it could be seen as biologically necessary instead of selfish.

Anti-natalism overlooks the potential for positive experiences and the value of human life. While it is true, that not bringing new individuals into existence eliminates suffering, it also denies the possibility of joy, fulfillment, and personal growth. Many people find meaning and purpose in life, forming deep connections with others and experiencing moments of happiness and love. By embracing life and its potential for positivity, individuals can contribute to the improvement of society and therefore create a better world.

The question of whether reproducing is selfish is a matter of perspective and depends on how you define and interpret the concept of selfishness.

On an individual level, people's motivations for reproducing can vary. Some individuals may choose to have children due to personal desires, such as the fulfillment of emotional needs or simply the desire to experience parenthood. While these motivations may be self-oriented, they do not necessarily imply selfishness in the negative sense. People can have genuine intentions to nurture and provide a loving environment for their children.
Therefore, many individuals approach parenthood with a genuine desire to provide love, support, and care for their children. The commitment to raising a child, prioritizing their well-being and ensuring their development can be seen as acts of selflessness rather than selfishness.

But of course, you should still always be considerate and responsible before deciding to have kids. It is important to take into account certain factors like one's ability to provide for the child's needs or being able to offer them a healthy environment to learn and develop in.

In the end, whether reproducing is considered selfish or not depends on individual perspectives and values. It's a complex and personal matter that involves weighing various factors and considering the consequences of one's actions. I think that it is unethical to force people into not having children, the same way it would be to force them to reproduce.

 

[Dot]

= also importnt 2 remmbr tht rpe = a recognisd crme & thre r mny membrs on SaSu wh/ r victms of tht -- sme of thse wll also b parnts

S/ cmparng thm 2 rapsts = nt helpfl 2 n.e of thse ppl

 

[suicidalloser]

A parent without a child is not a parent, but that is not the point.

Reproduction is one of the most important concepts in biology, simply because it ensures the continuation of different species.
After all, reproducing from a biological point of view is a natural instinct and fundamental for many organisms. Therefore, it could be seen as biologically necessary instead of selfish.

Anti-natalism overlooks the potential for positive experiences and the value of human life. While it is true, that not bringing new individuals into existence eliminates suffering, it also denies the possibility of joy, fulfillment, and personal growth. Many people find meaning and purpose in life, forming deep connections with others and experiencing moments of happiness and love. By embracing life and its potential for positivity, individuals can contribute to the improvement of society and therefore create a better world.

The question of whether reproducing is selfish is a matter of perspective and depends on how you define and interpret the concept of selfishness.

On an individual level, people's motivations for reproducing can vary. Some individuals may choose to have children due to personal desires, such as the fulfillment of emotional needs or simply the desire to experience parenthood. While these motivations may be self-oriented, they do not necessarily imply selfishness in the negative sense. People can have genuine intentions to nurture and provide a loving environment for their children.
Therefore, many individuals approach parenthood with a genuine desire to provide love, support, and care for their children. The commitment to raising a child, prioritizing their well-being and ensuring their development can be seen as acts of selflessness rather than selfishness.

But of course, you should still always be considerate and responsible before deciding to have kids. It is important to take into account certain factors like one's ability to provide for the child's needs or being able to offer them a healthy environment to learn and develop in.

In the end, whether reproducing is considered selfish or not depends on individual perspectives and values. It's a complex and personal matter that involves weighing various factors and considering the consequences of one's actions. I think that it is unethical to force people into not having children, the same way it would be to force them to reproduce.

This is an insult to gay entirely. forcing this on us, Selfishly procreating and then dumping those on the streets as soon as possible, or neglecting it when you've had enough. You don't want to hear the truth, just stay and continue doing it.

continuation of different species.

The point is too NOT continue the suffering; that's the important thing here.

 

[Valky]

This is an insult to gay entirely. forcing this on us, Selfishly procreating and then dumping those on the streets as soon as possible, or neglecting it when you've had enough. You don't want to hear the truth, just stay and continue doing it.


The point is too NOT continue the suffering; that's the important thing here.

Sorry if it wasn't clear but providing a healthy environment for a child includes those who are LGBTQ+.

 

[suicidalloser]

Sorry if it wasn't clear but providing a healthy environment for a child includes those who are LGBTQ+.

I wouldn't know what that was. being taking into foster care because they see you as money for them is healthy?
nobody wanted me since i born—not even my own mother.
this why i said the quote regarding Sophitia earlier. it was a reflection of my reality, cast outwards.

 

[Daxter_87]

The question afterwards is:
Where are you know, are there financially still forever as it's your child; you help them because their your child, not expecting to be paid back, are you there for shelter, understanding, acceptance; caring doesn't stop at all for children for the whole life.

Exactly, parents should be responsible for their children, financially and in all ways, for their entire life. Do you know the phrase "A puppy isn't just for Christmas"? I read it in a book on antinatalism called Ever Deeper Honesty.

Well, whatever, I guess I will have to go back to YouTube, just with another account (for personal reasons). I can understand that is not allowed on this forum to state that reproduction is a crime (which it is, I insist), because people here are vulnerable and in pain.

 

[Myforevercharlie]

They're not a parent, just a person.
But who needs labels.

damn right.






The question afterwards is:
Where are you know, are there financially still forever as it's your child; you help them because their your child, not expecting to be paid back, are you there for shelter, understanding, acceptance; caring doesn't stop at all for children for the whole life.

Like I said .
He knows I'll help when he needs me.

 

[Disappointered]

A parent without a child is not a parent, but that is not the point.

Reproduction is one of the most important concepts in biology, simply because it ensures the continuation of different species.
After all, reproducing from a biological point of view is a natural instinct and fundamental for many organisms. Therefore, it could be seen as biologically necessary instead of selfish.

Anti-natalism overlooks the potential for positive experiences and the value of human life. While it is true, that not bringing new individuals into existence eliminates suffering, it also denies the possibility of joy, fulfillment, and personal growth. Many people find meaning and purpose in life, forming deep connections with others and experiencing moments of happiness and love. By embracing life and its potential for positivity, individuals can contribute to the improvement of society and therefore create a better world.

The question of whether reproducing is selfish is a matter of perspective and depends on how you define and interpret the concept of selfishness.

On an individual level, people's motivations for reproducing can vary. Some individuals may choose to have children due to personal desires, such as the fulfillment of emotional needs or simply the desire to experience parenthood. While these motivations may be self-oriented, they do not necessarily imply selfishness in the negative sense. People can have genuine intentions to nurture and provide a loving environment for their children.
Therefore, many individuals approach parenthood with a genuine desire to provide love, support, and care for their children. The commitment to raising a child, prioritizing their well-being and ensuring their development can be seen as acts of selflessness rather than selfishness.

But of course, you should still always be considerate and responsible before deciding to have kids. It is important to take into account certain factors like one's ability to provide for the child's needs or being able to offer them a healthy environment to learn and develop in.

In the end, whether reproducing is considered selfish or not depends on individual perspectives and values. It's a complex and personal matter that involves weighing various factors and considering the consequences of one's actions. I think that it is unethical to force people into not having children, the same way it would be to force them to reproduce.

I don't think the possibility of someone's happiness at any moment in some place is worth any suffering that may come along with it, so I feel like total annihilation would be ideal.

I'm guessing that even if humans are all spayed and neutered, eventually something will continue that won't depend on normal biology. It will suck just like it always has. Hopefully total annihilation will be available at some point.

 

[Valky]

I don't think the possibility of someone's happiness at any moment in some place is worth any suffering that may come along with it, so I feel like total annihilation would be ideal.

If you feel like your life is not worth living then that is your own opinion that you are very entitled to.
What you are not entitled to, however, is forming that same opinion about any and especially everyone else.