Discussion The Mental Health Professions Refuse To Acknowledge...

[FTL.Wanderer]

Our country pretends to care about preventing suicide. But despite the decades of consistent data about the major societal factors that contribute significantly to suicide risk in the first place and the continuing dearth of hard biomedical evidence in support of the "mental illness" (cause) hypothesis, professionals and the state censor a great deal of frank and otherwise totally legal commentary from those actually at highest suicide risks.

The link between unemployment and suicide

THE LINK BETWEEN POVERTY, UNEMPLOYMENT, AND SUICIDE

Association between suicide attempts and homelessness in a population-based sample of US veterans and non-veterans

Loneliness is one of the main indicators of social well-being. Loneliness can lead to various psychiatric disorders and various physical disorders. Left untended, loneliness can have serious consequences for mental and physical health.

Instead of official acknowledgment of research-corroborated depression and suicide risks precipitants, we get insipid, vacuous "professional" comments like this, extolling the so-called virtue of continuing to struggle in the rat race: "Wow, Darryl, you've experienced so much pain in your life and overcome much of it. I'd say 85% is darn good. It's wonderful that you found in motorcycling a passion that sustains you, and that you want to share your message of hope and resilience with others." (Stacy Freedenthal, PhD, LCSW, Columbia University) Freedenthal is a notorious censor of public comments by people who strongly (but not illegally) challenge the dominant Western model of mental-illness-causes-suicidal-ideation, and thereby supports barbaric incarceration and forced-treatment models research shows not only do NOT reduce population suicide risks, but also are independent risk factors FOR suicide.

But the experts refuse to address the ocean of public comments from those ACTUALLY struggling like those in this article's comment section: "job hunting makes me suicidal and it shouldn't be like that" ...

Maybe with all the conflicts of interest at the heart of making society a gentler place that better supports the will to live, it's unrealistic to expect massive (enough) change. All the more reason to allow free citizens (last I checked, slavery doesn't officially exist) who consistently want it the dignity of a painless, peaceful, medically expert and reliable self delivery at the time of our own choosing.

 

[woxihuanni]

Yeah if you listen to shrinks, loneliness can be dealt with by getting a kitty and taking up japanese pottery making. And poverty goes away if you swallow a happy pill.

Shrinks need to be rounded up and shot.

 

[Nem]

Yeah if you listen to shrinks, loneliness can be dealt with by getting a kitty and taking up japanese pottery making. And poverty goes away if you swallow a happy pill.

Shrinks need to be rounded up and shot.

I'd pay to watch them get rounded up and shot!
Peace/hugs

 

[CrushedHopes]

Getting friends somewhat helps alleviate the loneliness problem, but not completely. Losing all of them in one fell swoop, on the other hand...... is immeasurable pain.

 

[Jean Améry]

Good to see you back here FTL Wanderer. It's clear psychopathology is a bogus science, psychiatry an arm of the state and both are used to enforce the public morality of optimism and status-quo just like the catholic church fulfilled the same role in bygone era's.

Keeping the poor and suffering motivated enough to keep struggling, producing and consuming is the name of the game.

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

Good to see you back here FTL Wanderer. It's clear psychopathology is a bogus science...

Thank you, and agreed.

 

[hypo666]

My 'friends' stopped contacting me when I started to hear voices and was put on high doses of anti psychotic medication.... I do believe in mental illness , I think it exists but I don't believe psychiatry necessarily understands the causes of it,and it is also flawed in terms of they use subjective opinion to diagnose people rather than objective tests that doctors in the realms of physical illness use. I also think despite all the press attention about mental illness currently, there are terrible attitudes towards mental illness among the general public ,and things are said to you that would never be said if it was say cancer you were suffering from. Ironically cancer used to be stigmatised as well years ago, sufferers and their families were isolated as it was thought to be contagious amongst other things. It was thought there was no hope so people with cancer were shunned.

My own family who are extremely rich shunned me when I got mentally ill, so while I think poverty and unemployment are issues that stop or make it extremely difficult for someone to get better, there is clearly something not right with my brain as I had a very comfortable existance before I got sick.After my family threw me in the trash, I experienced living off benefits and living in council housing alone , You get trapped in the system I think.

I never took drugs, I was continually asked by shrinks if I smoked the reefer back then. They are all about putting their patients in boxes, I was apparently schizophrenic because of my age , gender and was hearing voices. Turns out I was misdiagnosed but little matter as whatever you are diagnosed with ,if you are severely mentally ill you are fucked. Gradually over the years you will find it wears you down,you will end up on benefits have an ongoing anxiety that you will be reassessed by the government and your only means of keeping you out of the gutter will be took away from you, you will be found 'fit to work', but what employer will employ someone with a history of severe mental illness and more specifically dysregulated emotions? making you a risk to yourself and others. You will have to live in council housing amongst anti social people,I have a neighbour also with mental illness who due to being found 'fit for work', losing his benefits, now deals drugs from his house so he can feed himself and feed his drug addiction. Myself and the other neighbours bare the brunt when he goes paranoid due to his choice of work, getting himself regularly sectioned ,and he is then allowed back home, no intervention ,so the cycle begins again. you also get the ones who blast their music all day and night ,imagine coping already with mental illness and bass making your walls and windows vibrate from your neighbour? It caused me to snap in the end and I ended up back under mental health services ,for what little good it does and my name and address are now 'flagged' by the police because I threatened the nasty antisocial piece of vermin with a knife after he threatened to send his mates round to beat me up.

Oh the druggie lot give me a wide berth now because I was mad enough to threaten the local drug dealer with a knife , I get no hassle off them they even give me a nod of recognition ,no longer is their loud music blasting against my walls,. but I lowered myself and got in the gutter with them that night. And the state see's me as a dangerous man with mental illness who picked up a weapon.

 

[justwhy?]

I am serious when i say that anyone who agrees with OP should read Ted Kaczynski's (the 'unabomer') manifesto. He broke no new ground but bound much research and commentary into a single, cohesive document.

Also the Irish potato famine is a very clear cut case in point ie people being intentionally broken to fit a mold for which they are ill suited.

 

[TAW122]

Well said, well said @FTL.Wanderer. It's sad that it is 2019 and soon to be 2020, yet the same mental health professionals are still pedaling the depression, irrationality, chemical imbalance bullshit while ignoring the real causes for suicide (environment, society, and such). I don't know what it would take to change society, let alone significant change in quality of life for the majority of people. I guess that as long as there is money to be made for selling false hope, feel-good platitudes, and lies/deception, then there is also an incentive for the medical industry to do so.

@hypo666 I totally agree with you when it comes to the so called professionals and psychiatry in general. They don't use real science, but rather pseudo science and try to pedal subjective opinions and bullshit theories (most of the time) while ignoring the real causes for the problems. What is even sadder is that the masses turn against the dissidents as well as when they (dissidents) speak up about what "really" happens. It all gets swept under the rug and any attempt to question it's legitimacy is met with censorship and more threats of involuntary force and/or scorn/shame. I am not surprised anymore when the people who wish to get that "help" cannot find it and eventually end up CTB'ing or worse, decide to take up arms and/or go do something like mass murder (I don't condone mass violence though) and then off themselves.

 

[Jean4]

My 'friends' stopped contacting me when I started to hear voices and was put on high doses of anti psychotic medication.... I do believe in mental illness , I think it exists but I don't believe psychiatry necessarily understands the causes of it,and it is also flawed in terms of they use subjective opinion to diagnose people rather than objective tests that doctors in the realms of physical illness use. I also think despite all the press attention about mental illness currently, there are terrible attitudes towards mental illness among the general public ,and things are said to you that would never be said if it was say cancer you were suffering from. Ironically cancer used to be stigmatised as well years ago, sufferers and their families were isolated as it was thought to be contagious amongst other things. It was thought there was no hope so people with cancer were shunned.

My own family who are extremely rich shunned me when I got mentally ill, so while I think poverty and unemployment are issues that stop or make it extremely difficult for someone to get better, there is clearly something not right with my brain as I had a very comfortable existance before I got sick.After my family threw me in the trash, I experienced living off benefits and living in council housing alone , You get trapped in the system I think.

I never took drugs, I was continually asked by shrinks if I smoked the reefer back then. They are all about putting their patients in boxes, I was apparently schizophrenic because of my age , gender and was hearing voices. Turns out I was misdiagnosed but little matter as whatever you are diagnosed with ,if you are severely mentally ill you are fucked. Gradually over the years you will find it wears you down,you will end up on benefits have an ongoing anxiety that you will be reassessed by the government and your only means of keeping you out of the gutter will be took away from you, you will be found 'fit to work', but what employer will employ someone with a history of severe mental illness and more specifically dysregulated emotions? making you a risk to yourself and others. You will have to live in council housing amongst anti social people,I have a neighbour also with mental illness who due to being found 'fit for work', losing his benefits, now deals drugs from his house so he can feed himself and feed his drug addiction. Myself and the other neighbours bare the brunt when he goes paranoid due to his choice of work, getting himself regularly sectioned ,and he is then allowed back home, no intervention ,so the cycle begins again. you also get the ones who blast their music all day and night ,imagine coping already with mental illness and bass making your walls and windows vibrate from your neighbour? It caused me to snap in the end and I ended up back under mental health services ,for what little good it does and my name and address are now 'flagged' by the police because I threatened the nasty antisocial piece of vermin with a knife after he threatened to send his mates round to beat me up.

Oh the druggie lot give me a wide berth now because I was mad enough to threaten the local drug dealer with a knife , I get no hassle off them they even give me a nod of recognition ,no longer is their loud music blasting against my walls,. but I lowered myself and got in the gutter with them that night. And the state see's me as a dangerous man with mental illness who picked up a weapon.

You have your family here. We understand and love and support you no matter what :)

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

I do believe in mental illness...

I'm sorry for all you've been going through. I know the hell of being subjected to others' illegal choices (incessant barking of dogs, excruciatingly loud after-market exhaust systems on cars, trucks, motorcycles...). There's already significant medical research confirming the physiological and survival risks of uncontrolled noise, but law enforcement either can't (so they claim) or won't enforce the democratically passed laws...

I want to clarify that I am not saying mental distress is not real. My claim is that the general model of mental-illness-causes-wrong-life-perspectives has no grounding in sound empiricism or even in coherent philosophy. The mental health machinery has misappropriated the terms "illness" and "disease" in an attempt to validate what amount to mere hypotheses without robust, objective cause-evidence. And worst of all, this quasi-religion has successfully lobbied government for the authority not only to censor others effectively (there are laws now being pushed in the US to make it illegal for those NOT affiliated formally with the mental health professions to pronounce on "mental illness" or to offer/practice non-canonized therapies), but also to imprison and force often sadistic "treatments" on others. And all of this runs counter to decades of strong global evidence about factors that cause the bulk of populational mental health burdens. This morass is a glaring embarrassment for any culture that claims to be rational.