The Irony of Pro-lifers who support assisted-suicide, euthanasia, death with dignity yet refuse to talk about it, and stigmatize it instead

[TAW122]

Hello all,

As you know I haven't made threads in a very long time and now that I'm back (hopefully not too many years from now and that I can find peace sooner than later, but again time and circumstances dictate when/how/where), I will be making threads on a fairly regular basis, whenever I can find the time during my busy work schedule. I still have to keep under the radar, perhaps even more than ever given the ever-growing Orwellian world that is present here in current day. My family will never really accept pro-choice and similar sentiments so as long as I'm living under their roof (yes I'm an young adult, and currently don't have the means to get my own place but that's another story for another time), my privacy is limited.

With that said, here is my topic, and since it is a long title, I had to curtail it in the title field, but here is the full title of the thread:
"The Irony of Pro-lifers who support assisted-suicide, euthanasia, death with dignity yet refuse to talk about it, and stigmatize it instead [while expecting it to happen in their lifetimes]".

What do I mean by this? I mean pro-lifers who appear to be agreeable (on the Internet, IRL, or just about anywhere on the platforms either online or offline) regarding the concept of the right to die for certain people who meet certain criteria (immense suffering with little to no good prognosis of meaningful recovery and terminal illness especially), yet are against and stigmatize doing anything to advance these movements and issues in the present day, up to and including shame, evading the topic, or even muddying it. It is ironic because they are not only wishing for something to happen in the future (preferably in their lifetime) yet they are (at best) doing nothing to make that happen, or (at worst) doing things to roll back progress, impede, obstruct, or otherwise prevent progress from being made. Then they are expecting that it will someday come in the near future (a few decades from now or so).

One such example would be when in a conversation regarding terminal illnesses, a pro-lifer said that he "would hope that these (current) laws will change so that it will allow easier, legal access to the right to die" but at the same time refuses to have an open, honest dialogue about the right to die being a rational choice instead of right to die always being viewed as a disease, illness, defect. There is no good faith discussion and only deceit and misrepresentation of the issue at hand. It is very ironic of him because he wishes for (meaningful) change to happen yet he is against actions that could bring about this "change".

Imagine for a moment if the women's rights, civil rights movement, and many other social justice movements did not happen and people did not fight for them, what kind of world would be living in? Certainly we wouldn't have what we have today, and discrimination would be way worse than it is. In short, I raise this point to illustrate that change does NOT happen by inaction, whether by a small vocal minority, a group of people, or otherwise masses. We won't get the right to die laws and protections expanded by doing nothing or just passively wishing for something to happen and expect it to happen in the near future. We must fight for the things that we want to happen in order for them to happen (either in our lifetimes or even sometime beyond our lifetimes).

 

[FuneralCry]

To me it is not really pro choice only being accepting of the right to die if someone is experiencing a terminal or severe illness. I think that assisted suicide should be available for all, and no one should even have to need a reason. We all exist for no reason so dying should not need a reason. If someone simply does not see their life as being worth living then they should be able to exit peacefully.

I do hope that eventually euthanasia becomes legalised everywhere, but after all we live in a pro life society and I do not think I can see that changing, at least for a long time.

 

[TAW122]

To me it is not really pro choice only being accepting of the right to die if someone is experiencing a terminal or severe illness. I think that assisted suicide should be available for all, and no one should even have to need a reason. We all exist for no reason so dying should not need a reason. If someone simply does not see their life as being worth living then they should be able to exit peacefully.

I do hope that eventually euthanasia becomes legalised everywhere, but after all we live in a pro life society and I do not think I can see that changing, at least for a long time.

Exactly. To be pro-choice, one has to accept the right to die for ALL reasons and circumstances.

Of course, there will be safeguards to prevent abuse and to ensure that the person has chosen it by his/her own free will (consent), have time to think about it thoroughly as it cannot be reversed or undone (waiting period), and is of sound mind* (objective test, knowing his/her decision and knowing what he/she is about to do). These criteria are about as objective as they can get.

*Regarding sound mind, I believe what would be an objective criteria would be someone who has expressed clearly and eloquently that they wish to die and their reasoning for it, then knowing and understanding what their decision is.

As for the pro-life society, yes, sadly I don't see that changing anytime soon, maybe barring a few areas in the world, most EU countries, Canada, and some other nations around the world. The recent supreme court decision reversal over abortion rights is a major step backwards and this indeed does make the right to die an uphill battle.

 

[Euthanza]

I had first hand experience with this. Most of my friends are atheists and liberals, I thought they're all open minded and smart for becoming the ones who break the thousands of years of dogmas and indoctrination, at least for themselves, not really in political stage tho. I'm a bit disappointed when I made a poll in the group, only about 70% pro choice that agree to respect individual's adult rational decision, 30% of them are semi-prolifer who want very strict regulation under authority control. I mean, wtf is the logic behind that, putting someone's end of life on authorities that failed life of their citizen uncountless times, they haven't even done with blatant corruption, injustice and capitalism, how come we trust to let them decide our end fate.
On the other side, only 1% of the atheist group that oppose right to die at all, that 1% is absolute shame, there must be an idiot to be recognized among free thinkers.
Btw, it's not a crime to be atheist in my country as long as one doesn't express it in public, while active euthanasia and assisted suicide is prohibited by law.