The influence of pro-lifers on this forum

[noname223]

I thought about the influence of pro-lifers, the NYT article and in general fixthe26 movement on this forum. They have "achieved" that there is a recovery section on this forum. Which is not negative in my opinion. I think the section is quite useful. (I am not 100% but the recovery section emerged after the vice article didn't it?)
Though I have the feeling they also have an influence on this forum which is not in their interest. They question the right to existence for this forum. Always when a community is in danger the members stick more together. Sometimes people even "radicalize" due to their fear to be threatened. For example people tend to become more pro-death due to this or some even wanted to protest against the article of the NYT by commiting suicide.
Moreover many of us are quite paranoid (especially me lol) about hidden pro-lifers or journalists. If we cannot trust in each other having nuanced discussions is becoming harder. Because we always have to fear there is an intruder who does not want give his stance about suicide instead wanting to take from us the choice to decide about our own death.
The likelihood of group think becomes higher when we all together face the threat of one common enemy.

We are kind of a minority without rights. It is not good to drive somebody desperate into a corner. You don't have to be a genius to conclude that. A lot of people only can cope knowing that there is a peaceful way to exit this life. Taking this choice can lead to dangerous or even deadly consequences. But these are just my two cents.

 

[Depressed Cat]

Your paranoia is not misplaced. I'm fairly certain that quite a few journalists (from different media outlets), Fixthe26 members and other anti-choice people have infiltrated this forum by pretending to be suffering/depressed and acting suicidal in a few of their posts in order to avoid suspicion.

My main concern is that such infiltrators will have private conversations (DM) with unsuspecting members and get personal information from them, which can then be used against our members.

Another huge concern of mine is that these infiltrators will act in an extremely malicious way against sources who supply our members with reliable means of CTB.

 

[needed_]

Your paranoia is not misplaced. I'm fairly certain that quite a few journalists (from different media outlets), Fixthe26 members and other anti-choice people have infiltrated this forum by pretending to be suffering/depressed and acting suicidal in a few of their posts in order to avoid suspicion.

My main concern is that such infiltrators will have private conversations (DM) with unsuspecting members and get personal information from them, which can then be used against our members.

Another huge concern of mine is that these infiltrators will act in an extremely malicious way against sources who supply our members with reliable means of CTB.

it is really important for everyone here to understand that it's dangerous to share personal information. I have to remind even myself

 

[Feeding Pigeons]

We are kind of a minority without rights.

Thats not true! We have the right to either garbage treatment or none at all!

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

You're correct that the level of distrust is high right now. I don't blame other people for being wary of potentially sus individuals. While I am aware that what you post online is ripe for the picking and people can do whatever they like with what you post, it pisses me off that one of these journalists took one of my posts, spun it to fit their angle, and featured it in one of their news reports with a photo of my username and pfp.

Now, it wasn't a negative spin by any means. The manner in which they framed in was in support of the site's ability to save the lives of individuals who may be on the brink and need talking down. Then they quickly switched to attacking users who were discussing methods.

They quoted me as saying the site saved my life. But that's not what I wrote at all, what I actually said was that it kept me alive more than anything else and that other outlets/typical interventions had worsened my issues, not that my life was saved as if we are living in some awe inspiring, mythical fairy tale fantasy. It's glad that they were willing to acknowledge that this site does help people though.

To me, receiving emotional support here and still continuing to hold the conviction that life will not improve for me personally are not mutually exclusive ideas. My life was never going to be "saved" regardless of whether or not I used this website, because I have no life, or reason to continue a futile existence when I am physically ill with diseases that can't be cured.

I wish if these people would ask us directly what we think and how we feel rather than making assumptions about why people join this site and why they seek out certain types of information. Instead, it's whatever story they want to push at the time. Also, absolutely no one here consented to being featured in any of these rag pieces, but somehow our privacy is seen as less important than their political crusades.

 

[princesssaidso]

Your paranoia is not misplaced. I'm fairly certain that quite a few journalists (from different media outlets), Fixthe26 members and other anti-choice people have infiltrated this forum by pretending to be suffering/depressed and acting suicidal in a few of their posts in order to avoid suspicion.

My main concern is that such infiltrators will have private conversations (DM) with unsuspecting members and get personal information from them, which can then be used against our members.

Another huge concern of mine is that these infiltrators will act in an extremely malicious way against sources who supply our members with reliable means of CTB.

I didn't realize we could have sidebar conversations within this app/website with others..(?) I may have to do some sniffin around tho as I was unaware of any media/relations nyt? I am catching a case of the EBGB's and I am brand newish. I'd rather not be labeled tho/ just saying since I came around the same time as these others did. sry that's what I meant to say earlier.

 

[G_Man]

You're correct that the level of distrust is high right now. I don't blame other people for being wary of potentially sus individuals. While I am aware that what you post online is ripe for the picking and people can do whatever they like with what you post, it pisses me off that one of these journalists took one of my posts, spun it to fit their angle, and featured it in one of their news reports with a photo of my username and pfp.

Now, it wasn't a negative spin by any means. The manner in which they framed in was in support of the site's ability to save the lives of individuals who may be on the brink and need talking down. Then they quickly switched to attacking users who were discussing methods.

They quoted me as saying the site saved my life. But that's not what I wrote at all, what I actually said was that it kept me alive more than anything else and that other outlets/typical interventions had worsened my issues, not that my life was saved as if we are living in some awe inspiring, mythical fairy tale fantasy. It's glad that they were willing to acknowledge that this site does help people though.

To me, receiving emotional support here and still continuing to hold the conviction that life will not improve for me personally are not mutually exclusive ideas. My life was never going to be "saved" regardless of whether or not I used this website, because I have no life, or reason to continue a futile existence when I am physically ill with diseases that can't be cured.

I wish if these people would ask us directly what we think and how we feel rather than making assumptions about why people join this site and why they seek out certain types of information. Instead, it's whatever story they want to push at the time. Also, absolutely no one here consented to being featured in any of these rag pieces, but somehow our privacy is seen as less important than their political crusades.

Most of these people would not understand even if we explained, most of them are very close-minded people.

 

[Onthe29th]

I'm trying to be optimistic about the situation right now. Apparently more and more people believe that people should have the right to ctb if that's what they choose. For now, it's euthanasia for people who are terminally Ill but maybe it'll grow to become a movement. This topic will always be controversial but maybe in the future long after I'm gone, people will take this server seriously. Who knows, maybe the situation with the site will spark discussion. I'm probably like this because I have no intention of waiting to see it happen.

 

[9BBN]

I wholeheartedly agree. This failing crusade against the only pro-choice forum in existence is really analogous to the failed war on drugs. It's also naive to think stopping this website will mean blocking access to resources information. It probably comes from the mistaken belief that most suicide attempts are impulsive. Instead of attacking this website, the NYT should have argued in favor of investing more into suicide research and improving the lives of suicidal people instead of dogmatically stopping them.

 

[Onthe29th]

I'm all about decriminalizing drugs, being pro-choice and bringing back mental institutions. If we really want the world to get better, we have to treat as many people as we can with understanding, learning and compassion because people aren't going to go to the government for help if they're fearful for their livelihoods. I've been saying this stuff for at least 10 years and it used to fall on deaf ears or people would call me crazy and delusional so it makes me happy to find people who understand. I feel very validated.