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Suicideisnirvana

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As humans, we need a lot of stories to survive, and even more illusory fictions to thrive, that's why platitudes amounting to just-world-fallacy are so popular, people want to believe that working on something always pay off, that good things happen to good people, that it "will get better" etc, also people often use wishful thinking to endure a bitter or boring and banal present by dreaming of a better futur life : that one will be rich through hard work or by building his dream project etc, or at least gain financial independance, or meet that ideal partner etc etc, and some healthy dose of dreaming can be healthy, especially if it's realistic and if it drives one to work towards his goal.

Lying to oneself can help endure a hard, cold reality.

But like i said in the title, the importance of looks destroy even the most rosey-tinted narratives, because they have such a huge impact and there is no way to imply they are deserved, people are so eager to minimize their importance to preserve their just-world-fallacy. Not only can't we change our looks, but they are the most important factor in relationships, what determines the qualities of the most important needs/aspects and predictors of contentment in life (Love/Sex), they influence to a huge degree even the quality of your social life. And their effect isn't restricted to relationship, people who are more attractive are also treated better in general, people are more indulgent with them, they are given the benefit of the doubt or excused more easily when they act wrongly, they are always complimented, treated well, people flock to them and want to talk to them, be with them and help them, which not only gives them confidence but also allows them to become better at other aspects, creating therefore a virtuous cycle : It's easier to be more cheerful and like people when everybody likes you and is nice to you, easier to chose a healthy lifestyle when you have to maintain an amazing life, full of gratifying social encounters, sex and romance, easier to ask questions and learn when everybody loves you even when you are goofy, wanna hear you talk, is eager to show you things, loves conversing with you etc. So the attractive people not only get all the benefits of those vital aspects (Sex/Love) more than they even need and want ! Some guys have hundreds girls wanting to sleep with them because of their looks, while other have nothing (i can't give opposite example because any girl can find sex, the problem for them can only begin when they seek love etc), but they are also considered smarter and more moral person ! They get the good cards and they are also considered as "Deserving them for being good moral people" !

Also, what disturbs me the most is that it may happen that through the constant (implicit or explicit) rejections you faced, double standards, different treatments etc, you may (not saying it happens to all bad-looking people) - contrary to the more attractive people - suffer from a vicious circle, where you become more ressentful, more bitter, less confident and cheerful, more cynical, and you are blamed for that as if it was the root and main causes of your problems. So while people pat themselves on the back and give the attractive people double benefits, congratulate them for being so cheerful and outgoing and confident while they helped them have that with their constant validation, compliments, fulfilling every need of their ego, romantic and sexual gratification etc etc, you may be also blamed for the bitterness, little misogyny, lack of confidence that you have, double punishment.

So while you can dream about being rich or changing your life to travel more and get more leisure if you have a boring or dreadful job, even if it's irrealistic, you can at least dream about it and enjoy the period while you dream, what can you do about looks ? You can't even dream about becoming good-looking, contrary to other aspects that you can chance there is 0% chance of becoming attractive through any form of hard-work or luck or creativity etc, you can't even dream about a better futur !

And if you're someone like me, someone for who the priority is loving and being loved, the warmth of human relationships, cuddle and sex, if nothing else with that lacking speaks to you (becoming rich, building something, travelling), you're left with nothing to strive for ! How can you work towards something when even the far eventuality of success in that department isn't satisfying ? Doesn't at all adress your basic needs ? You can't even dream of a better futur, because the thing that really determines those aspect you need is just the way your face looks !

This is the personal part, but also fromr a general point of view i find it really depressing that everything is based on looks, i can't just accept it like some people do, that will never happen.
 
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As an ugly woman I attest to this.

It's insane how much looks matter, people who deny that are delusional. I often wonder how much my life would be different if I was pretty... but I really got double fucked by life's RNG - bad looks and bad personality, lot's of mental problems, this is game over at the start.
 
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Suicideisnirvana

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As an ugly woman I attest to this.

It's insane how much looks matter, people who deny that are delusional. I often wonder how much my life would be different if I was pretty... but I really got double fucked by life's RNG - bad looks and bad personality, lot's of mental problems, this is game over the start.

Not minimising your pain, just expressing a personal preference i wish i was a woman. At least ugly women can get casual sex, we ugly guys can't even get that.
 
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I see this argument all the time and I really don't get it, to me the obsession with sex is so bizarre.
"At lest you can be someone's fleshlight", ok cool. I'm not interested in that xD
 
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readyanddetermined17

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Maybe i'm exaggerating, but I sometimes wonder how many beautiful minds are destroyed or not even able to bloom despite potential to only because they were contained in physical form that's not very pleasant to human's brain and experiencing the consequences it a lot of times has in this world.
 
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I see this argument all the time and I really don't get it, to me the obsession with sex is so bizarre.
"At lest you can be someone's fleshlight", ok cool. I'm not interested in that xD

Obviously when we have something, we don't know its value. It's not about the sex in itself, but the validation, anyway not continuing on this. I think both men and women are incapable of understanding each other so i'd rather not go on that train of thought.
 
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Maybe i'm exaggerating, but I sometimes wonder how many beautiful minds are destroyed or not even able to bloom despite potential to only because they were contained in physical form that's not very pleasant to human's brain and experiencing the consequences it a lot of times has in this world.
I feel the same. Body just limits us too much.
 
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Maybe i'm exaggerating, but I sometimes wonder how many beautiful minds are destroyed or not even able to bloom despite potential to only because they were contained in physical form that's not very pleasant to human's brain and experiencing the consequences it a lot of times has in this world.

Exactly, and how many empty shells thrive because they are attractive
 
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Vanity vanity all is vanity -Solomon.
 
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I think it's really hard out there for guys. All you see is this obsession wth being 'alpha'.
 
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Life can be really evil for some of us. One comes to life for a fluke, I mean a one-in-a-trillion chance (maybe much less), and in a twist of irony his life is nothing short of horrible and only full of suffering. I still to this day ask: why?
 
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I know I can be and have been a shallow bastard at times, I suppose being male doesn't help if we really are wired a certain way, but that's a generalization. Then again, I don't even like how I look most days, I see my imperfections first, or what I perceive as imperfections. I know true love goes deeper, I think I've felt it, but I've also felt such shallowness inside of myself too.
 
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creatureoflight

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As humans, we need a lot of stories to survive, and even more illusory fictions to thrive, that's why platitudes amounting to just-world-fallacy are so popular, people want to believe that working on something always pay off, that good things happen to good people, that it "will get better" etc, also people often use wishful thinking to endure a bitter or boring and banal present by dreaming of a better futur life : that one will be rich through hard work or by building his dream project etc, or at least gain financial independance, or meet that ideal partner etc etc, and some healthy dose of dreaming can be healthy, especially if it's realistic and if it drives one to work towards his goal.

Lying to oneself can help endure a hard, cold reality.

But like i said in the title, the importance of looks destroy even the most rosey-tinted narratives, because they have such a huge impact and there is no way to imply they are deserved, people are so eager to minimize their importance to preserve their just-world-fallacy. Not only can't we change our looks, but they are the most important factor in relationships, what determines the qualities of the most important needs/aspects and predictors of contentment in life (Love/Sex), they influence to a huge degree even the quality of your social life. And their effect isn't restricted to relationship, people who are more attractive are also treated better in general, people are more indulgent with them, they are given the benefit of the doubt or excused more easily when they act wrongly, they are always complimented, treated well, people flock to them and want to talk to them, be with them and help them, which not only gives them confidence but also allows them to become better at other aspects, creating therefore a virtuous cycle : It's easier to be more cheerful and like people when everybody likes you and is nice to you, easier to chose a healthy lifestyle when you have to maintain an amazing life, full of gratifying social encounters, sex and romance, easier to ask questions and learn when everybody loves you even when you are goofy, wanna hear you talk, is eager to show you things, loves conversing with you etc. So the attractive people not only get all the benefits of those vital aspects (Sex/Love) more than they even need and want ! Some guys have hundreds girls wanting to sleep with them because of their looks, while other have nothing (i can't give opposite example because any girl can find sex, the problem for them can only begin when they seek love etc), but they are also considered smarter and more moral person ! They get the good cards and they are also considered as "Deserving them for being good moral people" !

Also, what disturbs me the most is that it may happen that through the constant (implicit or explicit) rejections you faced, double standards, different treatments etc, you may (not saying it happens to all bad-looking people) - contrary to the more attractive people - suffer from a vicious circle, where you become more ressentful, more bitter, less confident and cheerful, more cynical, and you are blamed for that as if it was the root and main causes of your problems. So while people pat themselves on the back and give the attractive people double benefits, congratulate them for being so cheerful and outgoing and confident while they helped them have that with their constant validation, compliments, fulfilling every need of their ego, romantic and sexual gratification etc etc, you may be also blamed for the bitterness, little misogyny, lack of confidence that you have, double punishment.

So while you can dream about being rich or changing your life to travel more and get more leisure if you have a boring or dreadful job, even if it's irrealistic, you can at least dream about it and enjoy the period while you dream, what can you do about looks ? You can't even dream about becoming good-looking, contrary to other aspects that you can chance there is 0% chance of becoming attractive through any form of hard-work or luck or creativity etc, you can't even dream about a better futur !

And if you're someone like me, someone for who the priority is loving and being loved, the warmth of human relationships, cuddle and sex, if nothing else with that lacking speaks to you (becoming rich, building something, travelling), you're left with nothing to strive for ! How can you work towards something when even the far eventuality of success in that department isn't satisfying ? Doesn't at all adress your basic needs ? You can't even dream of a better futur, because the thing that really determines those aspect you need is just the way your face looks !

This is the personal part, but also fromr a general point of view i find it really depressing that everything is based on looks, i can't just accept it like some people do, that will never happen.

I'm not good looking but I don't really care anymore. Nothing others have ever said or done to me has made me want to kill myself-they are just people and their words mean nothing!
 
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Tiburcio

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People and their beauty canons can go to fuck off.
 
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Kev

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This really hit home for me man. Even as a child I think I could understand the importance of looks in this world, and how I did not possess looks that were even close to satisfactory. It was the beginning of my deeply rooted insecurity of my race and looks. For a decade I tried to distance myself from my race, as I knew that we were seen as undesirable in western culture, and tried so fucking hard to improve my looks. I sweated over the most minute details in my hair style, hygiene, clothes, etc. and held a strict, intense gym regimen to have a good body. I forced myself to be more outgoing and confident, tried to have as many friends as possible, tried to display my status and wealth to people. All this effort actually made me impressive in some regards and I have a good amount of close friends because of that. I now realize that subconsciously I knew I was undesirable and made it my life's mission to try and change that. I wanted to find love so, so badly.

After the constant rejection in spite of years of hard work and dedication, I realized that none of that mattered if your face was ugly. Yes, I am a better person because of my efforts, yet the loneliness and emptiness and crushing weight of knowing that I am undesirable is still there. No matter how much I tried to improve the factors that I actually could change, the one factor that I cannot change makes it all fruitless. I have been cursed with a combination of a genetic makeup considered to be repulsive, strict self awareness, and an ability to truly see the grand scheme of things in this universe and the meaninglessness of it all. After this long shitty experiment that has been my lifelong search for love, I have come to the conclusion that there is no point in living. No point in living with the weight of complete failure at my number one, multi-billion year old biological imperative. No point in living with this immense loveless void. No point in repeating the cycle of crying myself to sleep, deeply aware of the empty space beside me in my queen bed, and then waking up to no one, wishing that I hadn't.

I will die young, sad, alone, and without knowing what love, which has been described as the "greatest thing in life", feels like. Because of the sequence of nucleotides in my DNA. Because for some reason, the shapes that your facial features make are the most important determinant in achieving literally almost every organism's singular ingrained purpose.

I am deeply disappointed in my human experience.
 
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Anarchy

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Jul 9, 2018
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All the people in society who are meant to be beautiful, I see as ugly and artificial, and it makes me uncomfortable to look at them. Well, everyone in society save a few people.
I think that people always look best unaltered and there are no beauty standards for me; people look nice to me if I like having them around.
I will never, ever understand everyone else's idea of 'beauty'. I dislike that everyone is so obsessed with 'looking good' and it makes everyone seem really shallow and superficial to me. I don't even get the meaning of looking good. Why people think that painting their faces, making their hair a different colour, changing how their facial features look will make them look 'better' is beyond me.
To me, looks just are. No one's looks are good or bad, they just are. If I enjoy looking at a person depends on my relationship with them, and then I like looking at them because it's them, not because they 'look good'.
 
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To me, no unaltered person is ugly; ugly is people who I don't like and altered people (so basically 99% of people).
 
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Kev

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To me, no unaltered person is ugly; ugly is people who I don't like and altered people (so basically 99% of people).

If only everyone's primal part of their brain that controls attraction worked like yours. If only attractiveness was based on the enjoyment you derive from spending time with that person and your relationship with them. But no. For 99.9% of people, myself included, attractiveness is based on stupid shit like facial symmetry, proportions of features, pointy nose, definition of jawline, strong nose bridge, eye color and shape, how many fucking millimeters high your cheekbones are, and a bunch of other pointless, irrelevant metrics. It's so fucking stupid.
 
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If only everyone's primal part of their brain that controls attraction worked like yours. If only attractiveness was based on the enjoyment you derive from spending time with that person and your relationship with them. But no. For 99.9% of people, myself included, attractiveness is based on stupid shit like facial symmetry, proportions of features, pointy nose, definition of jawline, strong nose bridge, eye color and shape, how many fucking millimeters high your cheekbones are, and a bunch of other pointless, irrelevant metrics. It's so fucking stupid.

It is stupid. I try to see people as genuine but I've only ever found one person who seemed that to me, and even they thought in that way to an extent. It's impossible to see people as genuine when they make themselves look different for acceptance, because to me that's just what it is when someone alters their appearance - they don't look better, they look different. In fact, they look worse, because they look more artificial. It sends the message to me that they give importance to society's standards of beauty and I don't see why anyone would do that. It also makes them seem insecure to me, that they'd change themselves so that others will enjoy looking at them.
At least, though, my way of thinking makes me sure that I won't connect with anyone, and makes it easier for me to end it.
 
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My way of thinking alone is reason enough for me to commit suicide; it makes me incompatible with people.
 
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Kev

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It is stupid. I try to see people as genuine but I've only ever found one person who seemed that to me, and even they thought in that way to an extent. It's impossible to see people as genuine when they make themselves look different for acceptance, because to me that's just what it is when someone alters their appearance - they don't look better, they look different. In fact, they look worse, because they look more artificial. It sends the message to me that they give importance to society's standards of beauty and I don't see why anyone would do that. It also makes them seem insecure to me, that they'd change themselves so that others will enjoy looking at them.
At least, though, my way of thinking makes me sure that I won't connect with anyone, and makes it easier for me to end it.

People do that because adhering to society's standards of beauty brings forth so many benefits in life, like the OP stated. You would definitely find me non-genuine and artificial because I have spent my entire life trying to make up for my genetic shortcomings by improving my looks in any way I could. It may be artificial, but when it makes the difference between having respect, sex, love, and friends, and being lonely and looked down upon, people will pick artificial 99.9% of the time.
 
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Anarchy

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People do that because adhering to society's standards of beauty brings forth so many benefits in life, like the OP stated. You would definitely find me non-genuine and artificial because I have spent my entire life trying to make up for my genetic shortcomings by improving my looks in any way I could. It may be artificial, but when it makes the difference between having respect, sex, love, and friends, and being lonely and looked down upon, people will pick artificial 99.9% of the time.
It makes you think, though, if there are so many people who put up with artificial but don't really like it, what life would be like if they didn't put up with it. Then there'd be a lot more people who wouldn't go by life according to beauty standards. But so many people feel pressured by society to do so. I'll never understand that pressure.
 
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Aug 15, 2018
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I hate how I look and I wish I could slice off my face, I really get tempted to do it at times. I also avoid mirrors as much as possible, I will get super depressed if I see myself. I also wear those facemasks that sick people wear when I'm in public, makes going out a bit easier.

I knew since I was a child that my looks didn't fit the ideal, I saw how pretty girls were treated differently. I still see how I'm treated differently, it sucks.
 
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Tiburcio

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I hope one day you guys will be able to get rid of that canons which other chose for you. The day you will do it, everything will improve for you. :wink:
 
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Kev

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It makes you think, though, if there are so many people who put up with artificial but don't really like it, what life would be like if they didn't put up with it. Then there'd be a lot more people who wouldn't go by life according to beauty standards. But so many people feel pressured by society to do so. I'll never understand that pressure.

In a way, I am jealous of you. My whole life has been dictated by that pressure, and the realization that I will never meet those standards has broken me. I wish I could just not give a shit, but the way my brain is wired will not allow me to do that.
 
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In a way, I am jealous of you. My whole life has been dictated by that pressure, and the realization that I will never meet those standards has broken me. I wish I could just not give a shit, but the way my brain is wired will not allow me to do that.
I like the way that I think, but it means that life will never be worth it to me. It feels like a gift sometimes to be able to see things completely independent of what everyone else thinks. I feel like, if I found someone who I find genuine, who I loved and who loved me, that I could have a better life than everyone else because it would be a better, more genuine love than anyone else feels. But then, that is impossible, because there is no-one who thinks like I do, so I'll never find that person.
Despite everything, I would never, ever want to have what I class as superficial thinking.
One of the main reasons I'm living is because of my thoughts; I live so that I can imagine a better life. My imagination of a better life is the closest thing that I will ever get to a life that's worth living.
 
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honestly the 'ugly girls can get guys' fairytale is the bigesst bullshit ive ever heard. In my life ive seen alot of pretty girls go out with avarage or ugly looking guys while most ugly women were single and alone and most of them had to put in a lot of work to find a guy,some of them are still single.
 
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readyanddetermined17

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How great would that be if only our brains were wired somewhere along the way to really see people - associate level of aesthetic pleasure/displeasure respectively to who they really are (not great for me though i would be even uglier than i am now haha!). But considering how evolution works this is obviously not what what we have needed and with the current shape of our "developed world" this probably is not going to happen, but that's probably impossible anyway. Now, that's some naive fantasy.

Funny, as a child i used to think this was how it actually worked - seeing all the people doing evil things being "not very beautiful" (something in their faces was always off like you could almost sense by their features they are not good) i wondered how amazing nature was for making it that way like this was a warning system or something. Then i encountered people who could be considered "beautiful" and was surprised to find out they were not what their face implied - "how can they be bad with such faces?" So being as sensitive as i was then, on my shocking discovery i felt like i was betrayed by someone close and had been fooled the whole time - i took that almost personally haha! (Sorry for my sappy story.)
Now reflecting on it, and again it's probably a far stretch, i am wondering if suffering from physical ugliness played any part in shaping those "bad, ugly people" the way they are. I could imagine that scenario - beginning with the person treated like an outcast, a leper by other children, shunned by them, reminded all the time directly or not of their appereance, suffering from lonliness, burning with hatred and i imagine "just" that could be enough for a mind to warp in so many ways like for example developing destructive behaviors as some stress coping mechanism etc. I could definetely see that happen.
 
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All the people in society who are meant to be beautiful, I see as ugly and artificial

100% agree. I can't even open social media apps because all I would see, it'd be fake models with plastified faces, "looksmaxing" (tbh they're just ridiculing themselves), fashionistas sponsoring the latest useless perfume and such.

Being a 90's kid, I miss a lot the aesthetic of that era-- all you had to do was wearing a t-shirt and a pair of jeans and you were ready to discover the world.
 
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Anarchy

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100% agree. I can't even open social media apps because all I would see, it'd be fake models with plastified faces, "looksmaxing" (tbh they're just ridiculing themselves), fashionistas sponsoring the latest useless perfume and such.

Being a 90's kid, I miss a lot the aesthetic of that era-- all you had to do was wearing a t-shirt and a pair of jeans and you were ready to discover the world.
Yeah, it's not even just social media. For me, everyone I see makes me uncomfortable unless their appearance is completely unaltered (no makeup, no plastic surgery, no dyed or styled hair).
 
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