The idea that suicide must be prevented feels incredibly wrong to me.

[FuneralCry]

This is disturbing in a way, the idea that life must be prolonged and that suicide should be prevented. Seeing suicide as something to stop doesn't make sense unless you want others to suffer as much as possible and see any kind of struggle in life as being beneficial and worth it. Instead suicide should be seen as something to be respected, it's a personal decision. I always admire and envy those who voluntarily leave this world and the truth is that continuing to exist only delays the inevitable anyway. People see suicide as something to be prevented but there is no escaping from death. Life only exists just to die and be forgotten about, that is the fate of all life that exists in this world. Death is such a normal thing, it's what to be expected and what better way to die then at a time of our own choosing, so therefore it can come across as being rather insane to put so much effort into preventing suicide and making it as difficult as possible for people to die.

What really is the benefit to endlessly struggling when instead we could already be not existing. If people wish to endure this life then that's up to them but they shouldn't force their life valuing delusional beliefs onto others. To me what is extreme cruelty and unfairness is when people try to stop suicide attempts and restrict methods from others, labelling suicidal people as being always 'mentally ill' and 'irrational'. The reality is that they are the irrational ones instead as it makes sense to wish to prevent pointless and unnecessary days of this existence where there is no limit as to how much we can be tortured.

Any attempt of suicide prevention is only prolonging suffering anyway and that's all that it could ever be. There is nothing that could ever justify doing everything to prevent suicide, people place so much value on life but what really makes life so valuable in the first place and worth enduring. The wish to exist is centred around delusions anyway. So many act like life is the most desirable option and should be something to strive for but I don't see it as being this way, it could never be. Only non existence could ever really be perfect.

 

[UtopianElephant]

Thank you for your wonderful insight!

Indeed, it is bizarre, creepy and authoritarian how suicide is not only NOT a normalized concept in an advanced and fairly intelligent species / society as ourselves, but people are extremely slow to learn that you shouldn't deny people the right to die.

 

[Andarosh]

I have to agree with you. I feel like this world (atleast EU as far as I know) is becoming more restricted in terms of suicide methods, out of my own free will I wish to CTB, yet I am being told to go to psychologists and psychiatrists in people´s belief that I will get better (even though I am already feeling good).

 

[Unending]

Anyone who has faced years upon endless years of this curse only to learn that trying to get better will get some of us absolutely nowhere will have to try a lot harder to fool themselves into thinking that parting from life isn't our right.

 

[Ineedtodie]

This is disturbing in a way, the idea that life must be prolonged and that suicide should be prevented. Seeing suicide as something to stop doesn't make sense unless you want others to suffer as much as possible and see any kind of struggle in life as being beneficial and worth it. Instead suicide should be seen as something to be respected, it's a personal decision. I always admire and envy those who voluntarily leave this world and the truth is that continuing to exist only delays the inevitable anyway. People see suicide as something to be prevented but there is no escaping from death. Life only exists just to die and be forgotten about, that is the fate of all life that exists in this world. Death is such a normal thing, it's what to be expected and what better way to die then at a time of our own choosing, so therefore it can come across as being rather insane to put so much effort into preventing suicide and making it as difficult as possible for people to die.

What really is the benefit to endlessly struggling when instead we could already be not existing. If people wish to endure this life then that's up to them but they shouldn't force their life valuing delusional beliefs onto others. To me what is extreme cruelty and unfairness is when people try to stop suicide attempts and restrict methods from others, labelling suicidal people as being always 'mentally ill' and 'irrational'. The reality is that they are the irrational ones instead as it makes sense to wish to prevent pointless and unnecessary days of this existence where there is no limit as to how much we can be tortured.

Any attempt of suicide prevention is only prolonging suffering anyway and that's all that it could ever be. There is nothing that could ever justify doing everything to prevent suicide, people place so much value on life but what really makes life so valuable in the first place and worth enduring. The wish to exist is centred around delusions anyway. So many act like life is the most desirable option and should be something to strive for but I don't see it as being this way, it could never be. Only non existence could ever really be perfect.

People find suffering as a source of pride. They see themselves as true dictator of their becoming. As they are not subjected to atroucious pain they wont admit their delusion. they hide behind false believes and values and associations, possessions to make it seem they pave the way for their own survival and success despite the crualty of life. And they scorn whoeveer fails to play the rat race game . They treat them as worthless subhuman. And is part of the game. It's the epitmome of hypocrisy. Where in fact hard work and determination or whatever value that contributed to their "not so unfortunately becoming" is 1% of the whole odds adding to a favorable circumstances. They sre oblivious to that. And an most likely never see that their contribution no matter how seemingly significant that s no more then pure luck. So involved in the rat race behind awakening, like a pleasant dream in their favor. They will not sèe suicide as merciful for some people as the game is so prescious. They can't make the difference between life and a person. The game is so enticing and rewarding. When and they live unfortunately enough to see the delusion of humain being and their self creating problems due to bad luck
and the unfaire impermanent nature of life. Wisdom and clarity and patience is our only hope to survive. After all its a insane existence. Your wish to stop your pain are understandable. Wish you the the best.

 

[Missfit]

Please help. I feel so trapped. I can't figure out anywhere on this site how I can CTB. I don't know how to find the drugs I need or how much to take. Would anyone be willing to discuss the options with me?

 

[mateodolores]

Absolutely agree. We are all going to die, so what's the point of trying to halt the inevitable, especially when some of us have no other choice but to ctb early? I think it's pointless and needlessly sadistic.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

It is impossible to prevent suicide! How could it be punished? By death sentence? But you are right, you better not fail or at least your failure should not become public.

 

[FuneralCry]

Please help. I feel so trapped. I can't figure out anywhere on this site how I can CTB. I don't know how to find the drugs I need or how much to take. Would anyone be willing to discuss the options with me?

I just wanted to say that if you make a few more posts you will be able to access the search function and then you can search for whatever you wish to know. Every method question has likely already been asked at some point. And there is the suicide resource compilation in the sticky threads section of the suicide discussion as well which has information about suicide methods. I hope that you find what you wish for, I do get that it can be so dreadful feeling trapped.

 

[Seiko]

I'll never understand why suicide is seen as deviant. It's a personal, sovereign choice done case-by-case at the individual's discretion. If our institutions allowed for a peaceful exit—a lot of the stress from suicide could be circumvented. Our society's refusal to admit that modern life can be trivial is disheartening.

And with such a big emphasis on personal choice, why isn't suicide included? No one knows an individual's life better than the individual themselves. Death is the most natural process of any living being. If they want to leave, I don't see any reason why we should detain them any further.

 

[autistocracy]

Honestly, I feel like the main reason why society, for lack of a better word, is so obsessed with suicide prevention is because they want to preserve the labor force, hence why suicide prevention is aimed at people 30 and younger, when we know statistically that it's middle-aged people who complete suicide at the highest rates. There's also the religious component (especially if you live in the United States.) People want to believe life is a gift from God (more of a curse if you ask me) so they think it's insulting to the "Lord Almighty" if you no longer wish to be here.

 

[blendedragu]

This is disturbing in a way, the idea that life must be prolonged and that suicide should be prevented. Seeing suicide as something to stop doesn't make sense unless you want others to suffer as much as possible and see any kind of struggle in life as being beneficial and worth it. Instead suicide should be seen as something to be respected, it's a personal decision. I always admire and envy those who voluntarily leave this world and the truth is that continuing to exist only delays the inevitable anyway. People see suicide as something to be prevented but there is no escaping from death. Life only exists just to die and be forgotten about, that is the fate of all life that exists in this world. Death is such a normal thing, it's what to be expected and what better way to die then at a time of our own choosing, so therefore it can come across as being rather insane to put so much effort into preventing suicide and making it as difficult as possible for people to die.

What really is the benefit to endlessly struggling when instead we could already be not existing. If people wish to endure this life then that's up to them but they shouldn't force their life valuing delusional beliefs onto others. To me what is extreme cruelty and unfairness is when people try to stop suicide attempts and restrict methods from others, labelling suicidal people as being always 'mentally ill' and 'irrational'. The reality is that they are the irrational ones instead as it makes sense to wish to prevent pointless and unnecessary days of this existence where there is no limit as to how much we can be tortured.

Any attempt of suicide prevention is only prolonging suffering anyway and that's all that it could ever be. There is nothing that could ever justify doing everything to prevent suicide, people place so much value on life but what really makes life so valuable in the first place and worth enduring. The wish to exist is centred around delusions anyway. So many act like life is the most desirable option and should be something to strive for but I don't see it as being this way, it could never be. Only non existence could ever really be perfect.

Well said

 

[m1dN_ight]

Hmm, I think I agree with this in some situations but not all; just in that I believe all options should be explored before CtB. More often than not, however, suicide prevention means to just stop it from happening rather than offer help or support for things to get better. That is prolonging suffering and a daily torture, so I agree, but I don't think that's necessarily ideal. Also, outside of terminal patients or severe life situations, I do think suicidal ideation is tied to mental illness, but that doesn't mean it isn't rational. I mean if there are no resources for treatment, like REAL help, then I mean what do people expect?

 

[ExistHarm]

Hmm, I think I agree with this in some situations but not all; just in that I believe all options should be explored before CtB. More often than not, however, suicide prevention means to just stop it from happening rather than offer help or support for things to get better. That is prolonging suffering and a daily torture, so I agree, but I don't think that's necessarily ideal. Also, outside of terminal patients or severe life situations, I do think suicidal ideation is tied to mental illness, but that doesn't mean it isn't rational. I mean if there are no resources for treatment, like REAL help, then I mean what do people expect?

so much would have to change on this earth for this to become reality...

 

[m1dN_ight]

so much would have to change on this earth for this to become reality...

I agree, but those are my beliefs. As for the individual, I still think all options should be explored (running out of energy, I should mention, is not your fault). Is it hopeless? Not for me to say.

 

[ExistHarm]

I agree, but those are my beliefs. As for the individual, I still think all options should be explored (running out of energy, I should mention, is not your fault). Is it hopeless? Not for me to say.

its kinda funny... if i was given the pure yes or no painless choice to end it at 15, i probably would have, but i would have missed out on some great moments... and if i was given the pure yes or no choice now, i would, and maybe i will be missing out on future good moments.... but now i know that it wouldnt have mattered if i had gone at 15, i wouldnt have been there to have missed out on anything... when i was that age it was a lot less rational than it is now. now i can understand exactly why i want to ctb, so i think if i had ctb at 15, my present self would forgive me, although i would never exist to do so...existence is quite a mess, huh?

 

[m1dN_ight]

lol right? Yeah my first serious CtB was at 11, and I've had great moments and I've built things from my life of which I'm proud, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't be fine with dying at 11. I genuinely like who I am, but that doesn't mean things have gotten better. It's odd... Existence is quite a mess lol