The human race is not worth saving.

[FireFox]

When i was younger I used to be so scared of the world ending but now as I grow older I believe this is no longer a world and species worth saving anymore. The human race just is not worth it. I will be happy when the world ends if nuclear annihilation comes or climate change ends up destroying the planet.
There is so much breathtaking beauty in nature but sadly the world inhabits the most evil, selfish species of all to time it is called the human race.

Human beings throughout centuries have brought suffering to their fellow human being. Look the Wars throughout history and the modern age. Wars are an end result of human greed and selfishness, war is what happens when humans become greeedy over land and resources. The worldwide human trafficking of women and children are are result of people profiting from the perverted depraved sexual desires of man.In a global pandemic people were still being self centred, look at the wasteful panic buying as an example or the abscence of care for the disabled. Humans suffer because of the selfishness of other people.

Men,women,White, black, Asian, whatever racial group Christian or no faith, etc we are all one species belonging to the human race however many humans are blinded by their own prejudice and hatred to see that. Sexism, racism, ablesim, islamaphobia, antisemitism, transphohia, xenophobia etc are examples of human hatred in our world which has brought suffering to people's lives.

In 2019 when I was at university in one lecture the lecturer asked the following question:

Are humans selfish or altruistic? I answered humans are selfish because if humans were altruistic the world would be a much better place.

The human race has lived throughout too many centuries and now its time for this destructive species to end. Seeing the beauty of the natural world we don't deserve this world. Humanity is not worth saving.

 

[lucid]

i really couldn't agree with this more. maybe not the nuclear route, as i'd still want the rest of life to go on, but knowing how much we've fucked everything up and continue to do so the planet itself is probably uninhabitable without us by now.

 

[Al Cappella]

So I wanted to write this whole big thing about not having beauty without ugly, and all the great achievements humans have made, and how far we've come--and I just can't do it. Urgh. It's not that I think humans in general should be gone (although we will be before too long, I think--great filters and all), it's just the notion of a teensy turd ruining all of the punch in the bowl. So, ya--I agree with you too, sadly...

 

[chocolatebar]

This is the rational conclusion we have probably been biologically programmed to deny. Most people will easily agree that humans are bad, the world is a bad place and that life is a struggle, but won't accept that it would be much better if we never existed.

Are humans selfish or altruistic? I answered humans are selfish because if humans were altruistic the world would be a much better place.

There's even the concept of philosophical selfishness, in which we only do supposedly altruistic acts because we want to feel good ourselves and not to actually help the others.

I only disagree with you about the natural world. I can see suffering everywhere. I don't think any animal has a good life at all

 

[Messgram]

Not wanting to be rude, but it is hypocrisy to despise humanity and boast nature, because we are precisely products of nature.
People are selfish and selective because evolution has programmed us that way and destroying humanity will not improve the world at all.
All this beauty that we see in nature is just an illusion, "appearances can be deceiving".
Behind all this beauty theres a show of terrors - the strong devouring the weak, just like in human society. After I became aware of how animals treat each other I realized that nature is just a huge sea of blood and there is no justification for this immeasurable amount of suffering. Life in general is a mistake and there is no reason for its existence.

 

[Sunset Limited]

I think life is basically too pointless to be worth experiencing with higher awareness. Few people live a happy life. The vast majority of them engage in wage slavery for the welfare of others. I do not accept the suffering of billions of people just for the welfare and happiness of a small few. No one can be sacrificed against their will. This is not fair. And I think we, with our indifference, do not deserve mercy.

 

[Green Destiny]

Yeah i'm in this realm of belief as well. For all we've created and have accomplished we've still managed to fuck things up for billions upon billions of other people. The Greedy and Powerful will survive while the unfortunate on the lower rungs of society will always be the one to suffer the most.

 

[waitingforrest]

I agree, humans aren't all good or bad. It frustrates me when people tell me that humans are altruistic or do good in the world.

They bring up examples like donating to charity, saving animals from extincion, picking up trash or planting trees and such. But the only reason those issues exist in the first place is because of humans in the first place.

I remember talking to someone about why I don't see any hope for humanity. They couldn't understand that I think most good deeds that people do are just cleaning up the actions of humanity.

 

[FuneralCry]

It is true that many humans just seem to create suffering and make the lives of others much worse, they can be very cruel. It is such a horrible world we live in, and I believe that life should not have been a thing in the first place. Life is completely unnecessary, humans are brought into this world just to live lives filled with pain. More than anything I wish I never existed in the first place.

 

[Nemeshisu]

I agree. Although, I suppose that's very popular opinion on SS.
I always felt ashamed to be part of such destructive species. Many people love to preach that we are somehow superior compared to other animals and plant life while actually we are not that much different.
All living beings in this world just follow their basic instincts and harm eachother for no particular reason. I wish I had never existed in such cruel world.
So, I wouldn't be bothered by the fact of humans becoming extinct at all.

 

[LastFlowers]

So I wanted to write this whole big thing about not having beauty without ugly, and all the great achievements humans have made, and how far we've come--and I just can't do it. Urgh. It's not that I think humans in general should be gone (although we will be before too long, I think--great filters and all), it's just the notion of a teensy turd ruining all of the punch in the bowl. So, ya--I agree with you too, sadly...

If we can't have beauty without ugly, then perhaps there should be neither.
Who will be sacrificed for the supposed variety of life?
One thing or person is met with disgust, just so another can be lauded.
One human baby is born to be loved and adored, while another is born into emotional and financial poverty or illness.
One human saves a helpless creature, another human torments ten more.
The same human who saved the helpless creature, goes home to bully their own family behind closed doors.

In the grand scheme of things, even the achievements that humans have made so far, only benefit a select few, and could even be considered failures outside of who or what these achievements are relevant to.
(Not that I'm a proponent of regression, I'm not.)

Men,women,White, black, Asian, whatever racial group Christian or no faith, etc we are all one species belonging to the human race however many humans are blinded by their own prejudice and hatred to see that. Sexism, racism, ablesim, islamaphobia, antisemitism, transphohia, xenophobia etc are examples of human hatred in our world which has brought suffering to people's lives.

*Lookism (such a silly word for such a prevalent and destructive thing)

Prejudice is plentiful, that's for sure.

There is so much breathtaking beauty in nature but sadly the world inhabits the most evil, selfish species of all to time it is called the human race.

The human race has lived throughout too many centuries and now its time for this destructive species to end. Seeing the beauty of the natural world we don't deserve this world. Humanity is not worth saving.

The natural world itself is not a beautiful thing, humans are part of nature as well, we are not aliens on this earth.

We look out our windows and see the little bunny rabbit hopping through the woods with the sunlight breaching the tree branches, and we think to ourselves "nature is beautiful", but then we return to our monotony, and that little bunny rabbit outside retreats to the bushes in fear, its heart racing, its eyes bulging out of its skull in high alert, always on edge, always surviving, until a bird of prey swoops down from the sky one night and snatches that bunny up in its talons to be eaten as a midnight snack.
Without humans, there would still be suffering- panic, starvation, distress, torture, disaster, injury, disease..Mother Nature is cruel and always has been.
The world doesn't need humans to be a rotten place.
But yes, the human species itself is also a rotten thing, expediting and perpetuating natural rottenness.

 

[Darkover]

i always thought this universe is evil at the very core, i mean what universe creates life that must kill each other to just survive, this universe doesn't give a shit for anything it creates nor do the thing it creates they go on to kill each other just to survive or worse for greed, ideal nothing would ever die unless it choose to do so, how many illness diseases are there how many ways that life can come to an end the possibilities are endless there's no end in sight for this shitty horrible life to be made worth living its just a endless cycle of death and destruction

 

[OldDrummer]

The human race has lived throughout too many centuries and now its time for this destructive species to end. Seeing the beauty of the natural world we don't deserve this world. Humanity is not worth saving.

As Bill Hicks once said, the Human Race is basically a virus with shoes.

But don't be nilhistic, be balanced in all your observations and don't be blinkered to the beauty some humans have created in art and science.

We are the evolutionary descendants of primeval and primitive creatures who tore themselves apart for food and fun for millions of years.

Now we have language, technology and critical thought. And shoes.

We're a unique species in the universe as we have the ability to create the love and compassion of the Buddha and the hatred and spite of a Hitler. Both were human beings.

Humanity is worth saving. It's worth educating and it's worth enlightening.

 

[Rational man]

Not wanting to be rude, but it is hypocrisy to despise humanity and boast nature, because we are precisely products of nature.
People are selfish and selective because evolution has programmed us that way and destroying humanity will not improve the world at all.
All this beauty that we see in nature is just an illusion, "appearances can be deceiving".
Behind all this beauty theres a show of terrors - the strong devouring the weak, just like in human society. After I became aware of how animals treat each other I realized that nature is just a huge sea of blood and there is no justification for this immeasurable amount of suffering. Life in general is a mistake and there is no reason for its existence.

i believe humankind is a failed species of our planet. Humans have the the conscious capacity to destroy. Adolph Hitler believed in the survival theory of the strongest species, of the Aeirian race. Of course his theory failed as the Third Reich fell to the sub humans , like slavs, quote Hitler. I think other animal species kill to survive. Its their genetic programme of survival. Humanity has this SI too, but with ideologically, pathological driven leaders, the whole world could be destroyed, wherein, No one survives ,

 

[IQLESS]

We are nature, we are no better than animals. Animals rape, murder, steal and are greedy just as we are. I don't care for the end of humanity nor do I wish to save it. I don't think evil even exists. Morals are a social construct and evil does not exist beyond humans. In reality none of it matters, in the big picture we are simply ants on this tiny blue rock having fights. We don't even hold superior value to bacteria, we are equal. It doesn't matter if this planets rots to death with nuclear wars killing everyone. Children, men, women, It's all meaningless and it is just 'something' that once was.

 

[FireFox]

i really couldn't agree with this more. maybe not the nuclear route, as i'd still want the rest of life to go on, but knowing how much we've fucked everything up and continue to do so the planet itself is probably uninhabitable without us by now.

@lucid Yeah the nuclear route does sound extreme. I dont want want die because of Putin. I hate Putin because he is an evil warmonger and I don't want my life to end because of his selfish warmongering.

I agree, humans aren't all good or bad. It frustrates me when people tell me that humans are altruistic or do good in the world.

They bring up examples like donating to charity, saving animals from extincion, picking up trash or planting trees and such. But the only reason those issues exist in the first place is because of humans in the first place.

I remember talking to someone about why I don't see any hope for humanity. They couldn't understand that I think most good deeds that people do are just cleaning up the actions of humanity.

@waitingforrest When I said that humans were not altruistic my university lecturer was shocked and said how she always puts people first before herself. I said to her "your only just saying that, you don't really know that." I didn't get to finish explaining as the lecturer needed to go through other topics in the class.

My university lecturer pretty much disagreed with me and found my views shocking.

The point I was trying to explain was that I always believed nobody knows their true morality until they are tested. People like to say "I am a good person who will never do x y z in this situation " but I think that is bullsh*t because nobody knows who they really are as people, their values and beliefs until they are confronted and tested.

There so many examples of people's beliefs, morals changing when confronted with a dilemma.

- I have read stories of women who used to be active in the anti abortion movement and when they experienced a situation of unplanned pregnancy they ended up an abortion and didn't stick to their pro life beliefs they constantly preached about.

- in my own life before the pandemic came I used to be a member of a online depression support community group. The admin site she is so open about her battle with postnatal depression in all 3 pregnancies and how her piece of sh*t husband wanted her abort her 3rd born child and she had to go through the pregnancy all alone. She stayed with the man even though he has not been that great towards her. She is one of these people who preaches about mental health and being kind etc.
When I said on the depression fourm I wished I died from covid19 instead of the good people of the world because this is how I felt in lockdown.

The admin was so hostile towards me . She said my comments were "insulting" by the admin of the site and she lectured me about how she had been shielding in lockdown due to her health problems. She was most judgemental woman ever.

She should know out of all people depression clouds your judgement, distorts your thinking etc but no all she did was lecture me about how insulting my comments were.

I finally learnt that people who preach mental health are biggest pieces of sh*t.

 

[Of The Universe]

We tend to believe we are valuable cuz we're the only sentient beings in da universe,therefore we are vital.
But what if we discovered a new race from some other planet,that was smarter,more athletic, better looking,sexier( that would kill us!),kinder,more compassionate and wiser than us?
What would be the point of us hanging around. Aliens got this!
I guess most people would be like," Hey there,alien...wanna get it on?"
Yeah,we'd try and fuck upwards,and join their race.
They'd probably say,"We ain't havin' dat!"
So,wed be left...and,wait,what was the question?

 

[Decidueye]

I think our extinction is coming via climate change. It's just such a fucking shame we're dragging so many other species down with us.

 

[justtiredofit]

To quote The Master from Doctor Who, "life is waisted on the living."

 

[Arrow]

However bad people may seem, animals seem exponentially worse. Even if they were destroying the environment they would never think twice about it the way people seem to when confronted with the issue directly. They don't seem to have capacity for remorse either, nor do they demonstrate awareness or consideration for anything besides themselves. An animal would never even critically analyze its own species the way you're able to.
I dunno, a few years ago I might have agreed people aren't worth saving but now I feel like people are the only things worth saving. We're the only things that would even consider saving things or not saving things, and when I take a look around at earth and the uni, that capacity is so unbelievably rare that to not want to save/protect it just doesn't sound right to me. Of course, I say all this because of my own selfish human desire to be saved, but you know.

 

[FireFox]

To quote The Master from Doctor Who, "life is waisted on the living."

@justtiredofit I love Doctor who :)

However bad people may seem, animals seem exponentially worse. Even if they were destroying the environment they would never think twice about it the way people seem to when confronted with the issue directly. They don't seem to have capacity for remorse either, nor do they demonstrate awareness or consideration for anything besides themselves. An animal would never even critically analyze its own species the way you're able to.
I dunno, a few years ago I might have agreed people aren't worth saving but now I feel like people are the only things worth saving. We're the only things that would even consider saving things or not saving things, and when I take a look around at earth and the uni, that capacity is so unbelievably rare that to not want to save/protect it just doesn't sound right to me. Of course, I say all this because of my own selfish human desire to be saved, but you know.

@Fumito The animal kingdom is brutal. There some good things I like about the animal kingdom

1) Animals are protective of their own offspring.There so many examples of appalling parents in the human world. There parents who sell their kids to pedophiles like this case in legal case in Germany 2018

German couple who sold son to paedophiles on darknet jailed

Pair from Staufen sentenced to 12 years for rape, sexual abuse and forced prostitution

www.theguardian.com

The animal kingdom is not perfect but have you ever heard of a mama crocodile selling her baby crocs or have you ever heard of any other predatory animal selling their offspring? No never

2)life seems more simple in the Animal world which is look for food, stick with your species and don't get eaten by predators.

Everyone has entitled to their views. I don't believe humanity is worth saving anymore. The human race has lived for far too long and the period human race has been alive for the human race has brought suffering. I think the human race is most destructive species despite advances in technology and medicine humans are still incapable of treating their fellow human beings with dignity and compassion. There good people in this world but they are far too many selfish people in this world. I am not a great person and have flaws but I try to be a good person. All I can do is just try.

The pandemic was a golden opportunity for people and society to change but it seemed we have learnt nothing. Once lockdown ended everyone pretty much went back to their old attitudes and behaviour. People are now acting like the whole lockdown never happened and pretty much forgot the last 2 years.

I agree. Although, I suppose that's very popular opinion on SS.
I always felt ashamed to be part of such destructive species. Many people love to preach that we are somehow superior compared to other animals and plant life while actually we are not that much different.
All living beings in this world just follow their basic instincts and harm eachother for no particular reason. I wish I had never existed in such cruel world.
So, I wouldn't be bothered by the fact of humans becoming extinct at all.

@Nemeshisu People think my views are crazy especially older people. Older people tell me "the world is becoming a more dangerous place it was never like this in my generation" and I tell older people " the world was always bad and evil I think we are becoming more aware of how bad the world is" . I explained that previous generations kept quiet about certain things and now in the modern age there is more media reporting of issues.

My family and older people strongly disagree with my beliefs. I stil stick up for my beliefs. I am pretty much an outsider because of my views and how I see the world. Its frustrating at times I can't find anyone who truly sees what I see.

i always thought this universe is evil at the very core, i mean what universe creates life that must kill each other to just survive, this universe doesn't give a shit for anything it creates nor do the thing it creates they go on to kill each other just to survive or worse for greed, ideal nothing would ever die unless it choose to do so, how many illness diseases are there how many ways that life can come to an end the possibilities are endless there's no end in sight for this shitty horrible life to be made worth living its just a endless cycle of death and destruction

@Darkover People think my views are crazy especially older people. Older people tell me "the world is becoming a more dangerous place it was never like this in my generation" and I tell older people " the world was always bad and evil I think we are becoming more aware of how bad the world truly" . I explained that previous generations kept quiet about certain things and now in the modern age there is more media reporting of issues.

My family and older people strongly disagree with my beliefs. I still stick up for my beliefs. I am pretty much an outsider because of my views and how I see the world. Its frustrating and lonely at times I can't find anyone who truly sees what I see.

I no longer believe life is worth living. I hate the fact that i am physically healthy because I just don't deserve it. So people many are terminally ill who want to live it is so not fair. I don't even want to live but I am healthy. I am abusing laxatives and purging hopefully my body shuts down. If I ever get seriously ill I am refusing all medical treatment that will save me. I am done with life. I am not strong for this world and life is not for me.

As Bill Hicks once said, the Human Race is basically a virus with shoes.

But don't be nilhistic, be balanced in all your observations and don't be blinkered to the beauty some humans have created in art and science.

We are the evolutionary descendants of primeval and primitive creatures who tore themselves apart for food and fun for millions of years.

Now we have language, technology and critical thought. And shoes.

We're a unique species in the universe as we have the ability to create the love and compassion of the Buddha and the hatred and spite of a Hitler. Both were human beings.

Humanity is worth saving. It's worth educating and it's worth enlightening.

@OldDrummer I used to think this way but the pandemic has finally shown me that this species is not worth saving anymore. Nothing can convince me anymore.

It is true that many humans just seem to create suffering and make the lives of others much worse, they can be very cruel. It is such a horrible world we live in, and I believe that life should not have been a thing in the first place. Life is completely unnecessary, humans are brought into this world just to live lives filled with pain. More than anything I wish I never existed in the first place.

@LeavingForever I don't want to exist anymore. I find the idea of my existence being erased so liberating. The thought of everything that I am one day i will be gone , in a moment just like that. I see death as friend and absolutely better than living.
I really wanted to live, enjoy life,have a meaningful purpose,be in a loving relationship with a man and just so much more but I just didn't know how.
I don't belong here in this world I realise it now
As I grow older I don't want to live to see the next 20 years

 

[Arrow]

The animal kingdom is not perfect but have you ever heard of a mama crocodile selling her baby crocs or have you ever heard of any other predatory animal selling their offspring? No never

There are so many animals that will literally just eat their own kids casually or allow them to perish if it's more convenient. This is practically unheard of in our species.

And when human parents are horrible to their kids they will be widely ridiculed and even despised by other members of the species on a massive scale. Would crocodiles rise up and ridicule a mother croc eating its children? Would any animals ever do something like that?

Humans might be the most destructive but we're the only animals that would ever 1. admit when we are destructive and feel bad about it and 2. try to do anything at all to be less destructive. We have also been the most creative and go out of our way to preserve endangered species when we don't need to at all.

I am not a great person and have flaws but I try to be a good person.

I don't think you realize how special this statement is. This statement is literally infinitely valuable. No other being in the universe even has a concept of trying to be good in order to live out a principle it values, aside from humans. in the grand scheme of things a statement such as this that you have made existing anywhere in the universe is actually a miracle and borderline magic. the ability to form such a sentence puts you light years ahead of even the most advanced animals on this planet. In a vast empty blob of nothingness there exists a small rock where this miracle is possible, against all odds. i can't imagine something existing that is more worthy of protection than this.

 

[CowsAreCool]

The world isn't ending. Turn off your phone. The world is immensely shitty, and it isnt due to any of the made up, first-world issues you just rattled off.

The human race doesnt deserve to survive because... *shuffles cards*... islamophobia! Such a breathtaking analysis!

It's the altruists who are ruining the world. People who are "selfish" just want to live in peace. People who put themselves first are happy. People who tlet themselves get trampled, and resent those who dont, end up on this site.

 

[BRuss]

The world isn't ending. Turn off your phone. The world is immensely shitty, and it isnt due to any of the made up, first-world issues you just rattled off.

The human race doesnt deserve to survive because... *shuffles cards*... islamophobia! Such a breathtaking analysis!

It's the altruists who are ruining the world. People who are "selfish" just want to live in peace. People who put themselves first are happy. People who tlet themselves get trampled, and resent those who dont, end up on this site.

Ayn Rand has logged into the chat.

I agree with you, and go A step further: actual egoists would abolish capitalism, rather than spend their days laboring for the benefit of another, or for The System. Revolution, far from being a selfless act, would be a beautiful, profound act of self-love on the part of the immense majority. Only a true altruist could be content with capitalism, what with its enforced conformity, bourgeois morality, etc.

"I do not step shyly back from your property, but look upon it always as my property, in which I respect nothing. Pray do the like with what you call my property!" - Max Stirner, The Ego and Its Own

 

[whatevs]

There is no human race. Humans are a species, while Europeans or East Asians are a race, or subspecies.

 

[DetachedDreamer97]

I very much agree. Humanity was a mistake. All we do for the most part is victimize eachother and breed. Nothing more.

 

[Mr2005]

It's not asking for your help

 

[death137]

I agree with what you said. We are naturally bad. Yes we are capable of doing good but we are bad in general. Even the good things we do are motivated by selfish desire so yeah there is no such thing as altruism. Other life forms also cause suffering. So logically speaking all life forms better go extinct.

 

[NormaJeane]

Due to the overpopulation we have queues, competition, conflicts, unemployment, housing shortage, homelessness, bullying, loneliness, pollution, wars and infectious diseases. People will quarrel with each other as long as Earth is overpopulated. According to Stephen Hawking, the Earth will become uninhabitable due to overpopulation. Collective humanity is stupid - child restraint and worldwide euthanasia should be introduced.

 

[Hurt]

This reminds me of Chris Korda's Church of Euthanasia.