The hippocratic oath is hypocritical.

[worldexploder]

First off you don't have to take the oath to become a doctor in the U.S. A lot of anti-right to die advocates use the Hippocratic oath as a propaganda tool to spread their pro-torture agenda.

If a doctor takes the oath then denies their patients the right to die they are in effect causing harm by going against the patients wishes. To me, harm is an experience. No harm in electing to die peacefully.

When my grandpa was on his death bed suffocating from asbestos he kept trying to take his mask off so he would go quicker. It was THAT bad! The doctors and nurses kept forcing the mask back on him. He suffered for 12 more hours. That's more than just harm. That is torture.

Doctors can force their hand on dying patients causing them to suffer longer yet are not allowed to consensually administer euthanasia drugs. Tell me how this makes any sense?

Fucking barbaric. Makes me sad, angry, and a little afraid. We are surrounded by the insane majority. In 2018. Humanity is just as fucked up as they were 2000 years ago.

 

[NoOneKnows]

Excellent post. Was thinking about this the other day and came with the same conclusions. Funny thing, some years ago I read a research study, where they ask doctors what measurements they would take,if they develop cancer or other serious conditions, but could be kept in hospital prolonging the suffering, most of them answered they would prefer to die at home ,without the medical assistance to keep them alive as long as possible. Cant remember it precisely, however the point was ,what they do to others,they dont do to themselves, so they understand very well what is going on and that they are full of sh*t.
Found some link about the frequency of CTB in doctors ,funn y enough this doctor was messed up from psych medication ..hmm
https://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2018/09/why-happy-doctors-commit-suicide.html

The other day I was researching CTB methods and stumble upon 2 physicians, who killed themselve by injecting fatal doses of fentanyl, pretty confortable if u ask me.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...oisoning_involving_fentanyl_and_phenobarbital

(https://jech.bmj.com/content/55/5/296)

 

[worldexploder]

Excellent post. Was thinking about this the other day and came with the same conclusions. Funny thing, some years ago I read a research study, where they ask doctors what measurements they would take,if they develop cancer or other serious conditions, but could be kept in hospital prolonging the suffering, most of them answered they would prefer to die at home ,without the medical assistance to keep them alive as long as possible. Cant remember it precisely, however the point was ,what they do to others,they dont do to themselves, so they understand very well what is going on and that they are full of sh*t.
Found some link about the frequency of CTB in doctors ,funn y enough this doctor was messed up from psych medication ..hmm
https://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2018/09/why-happy-doctors-commit-suicide.html

The other day I was researching CTB methods and stumble upon 2 physicians, who killed themselve by injecting fatal doses of fentanyl, pretty confortable if u ask me.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...oisoning_involving_fentanyl_and_phenobarbital

(https://jech.bmj.com/content/55/5/296)

Great point. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" would be a nice little oath to take! A rare passage from the Bible that makes a lick of sense. I also read were physicians have a higher rate of sociopathy than the general public. That would explain a lot.

Fentanyl would be easy as pie to find in my state. I thought about overdosing on it but I never took the stuff. I don't wanna pass out with the needle in my arm or something then wake up.

 

[worldexploder]

Excellent post. Was thinking about this the other day and came with the same conclusions. Funny thing, some years ago I read a research study, where they ask doctors what measurements they would take,if they develop cancer or other serious conditions, but could be kept in hospital prolonging the suffering, most of them answered they would prefer to die at home ,without the medical assistance to keep them alive as long as possible. Cant remember it precisely, however the point was ,what they do to others,they dont do to themselves, so they understand very well what is going on and that they are full of sh*t.
Found some link about the frequency of CTB in doctors ,funn y enough this doctor was messed up from psych medication ..hmm
https://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2018/09/why-happy-doctors-commit-suicide.html

The other day I was researching CTB methods and stumble upon 2 physicians, who killed themselve by injecting fatal doses of fentanyl, pretty confortable if u ask me.
https://www.researchgate.net/public...oisoning_involving_fentanyl_and_phenobarbital

(https://jech.bmj.com/content/55/5/296)

Read those articles. It's a damn shame that THEY get the easy way out and we don't.

 

[Sickofit]

Completely agree, however, i dont think it is in the doctors choice of letting someone go early such as doing that in the case of your grandfather (sorry to hear about that, rip.) But if they were to let someone go they would be in trouble, it is the job of the people who control the doctors that decide that.

 

[worldexploder]

Completely agree, however, i dont think it is in the doctors choice of letting someone go early such as doing that in the case of your grandfather (sorry to hear about that, rip.) But if they were to let someone go they would be in trouble, it is the job of the people who control the doctors that decide that.

Thank you. I agree they would get into trouble. But nobody is fighting to change the laws. I got too much empathy to be a doctor. I couldn't let a man die like that.

 

[Sickofit]

Thank you. I agree they would get into trouble. But nobody is fighting to change the laws. I got too much empathy to be a doctor. I couldn't let a man die like that.

Sometimes money controls peoples morals and overall life. In our modern world money is more sentimental than a life to some. Pretty fucked up.

 

[worldexploder]

Sometimes money controls peoples morals and overall life. In our modern world money is more sentimental than a life to some. Pretty fucked up.

I agree. Wouldn't be suprised if money is 90% of the reasons things are this way.

 

[your pathologist]

This makes me think of nursing homes.
Or those cases where people are pretty much vegetables but they are kept alive on life support until their bodies literally just give out.
What the fuck is wrong with this world.

 

[TAW122]

Yes, this is quite disgusting and barbaric. This is one of the reasons why I would rather die on my own terms, my own hands, rather than to become chronically disabled and so ill but yet unable to die. I know that if I see signs of my body failing me physically and mentally, with little prospects of getting better, I am just going to ctb to save myself the pain and torture of living through a natural death.

 

[TheCrow]

First off you don't have to take the oath to become a doctor in the U.S. A lot of anti-right to die advocates use the Hippocratic oath as a propaganda tool to spread their pro-torture agenda.

If a doctor takes the oath then denies their patients the right to die they are in effect causing harm by going against the patients wishes. To me, harm is an experience. No harm in electing to die peacefully.

Thank you! I've been thinking about this same thing recently.

 

[worldexploder]

Thank you! I've been thinking about this same thing recently.

You're very welcome.

 

[bigj75]

I agree. Wouldn't be suprised if money is 90% of the reasons things are this way.

In my opinion the thing about money is not the money itself its the people behind the money that make it evil.
Just like a gun. The person using the gun that's the problem not the gun itself.

I'd rather go broke and die than corrupt myself any further by making someone like your grandfather suffer like that.
People don't have any sense of character anymore.
death before dishonor!

 

[wxtyubidi7y]

A common objection to euthanasia is that it's incompatible with the role of being a doctor (because of, say, the Hippocratic oath). Well then why not replace, or supplement, existing doctors with a new category called 'docters'? The E stands for Euthanasia. It's pronounced the same and their job description is identical except they're explicitly allowed and encouraged to end human life humanely when it's obviously in the person's best interests.

That way objectors can cling to their precious definitions/limitations of 'doctors' with an O and we can make way for a new, superior category of health professional.

 

[Lifeisatrap]

"Fucking barbaric. Makes me sad, angry, and a little afraid. We are surrounded by the insane majority. In 2018. Humanity is just as fucked up as they were 2000 years ago." Yup, the only difference is there's no longer a need for medieval torture devices any more, we have technology!

 

[worldexploder]

"Fucking barbaric. Makes me sad, angry, and a little afraid. We are surrounded by the insane majority. In 2018. Humanity is just as fucked up as they were 2000 years ago." Yup, the only difference is there's no longer a need for medieval torture devices any more, we have technology!

Very well said!

 

[NoOneKnows]

I found the article I mentioned above
https://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/10/health/how-doctors-want-to-die/index.html

 

[Dani Paradox]

That's horrible, man.. Sorry about your grandfather..

 

[Norest4thewicked]

The healers have become the harmers. They're just pharmaceutical farmers. Not my words, lyrics from a song. This thread just reminded me of it. And I couldn't agree more

 

[Rocky M]

Yes, this is quite disgusting and barbaric. This is one of the reasons why I would rather die on my own terms, my own hands, rather than to become chronically disabled and so ill but yet unable to die. I know that if I see signs of my body failing me physically and mentally, with little prospects of getting better, I am just going to ctb to save myself the pain and torture of living through a natural death.

I agree. Depending on the person's circumstance, Natural deaths can be the worst things to experience. The uncertainty of when and how you'll die is terrifying

 

[Trashcan]

When an animal suffers, we put them down. When a human suffers, we tell them someone has it worse and force them to be alive.

 

[starcrossedfate]

When will the medical establishment ever sincerely take quality of life into consideration? Is it really too much to ask for?

 

[bigj75]

When an animal suffers, we put them down. When a human suffers, we tell them someone has it worse and force them to be alive.

This. It's such a crazy concept.