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- Aug 18, 2020
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Ironically the word "Gift" means in German poison. Lol. I am ambivalent I like to post contrarian takes but pessimism is popular on here. And this one will be kind of pessimistic. Usually the global crises barely affect my mood but even for me it becomes a little bit too much.
I think this post will be nihilistic and might support antinatalism. However this is not in favor of promortalism. I think once you are alive you should make the best possible with the cards you have been dealt with. And suicide is not really a pleasant experience due to the fact how much pain it takes to go through it.
That being said the world looks horrendous. My initial idea for this thread came when I thought of people with the locked-in-syndrome or severe brain damage. People who suffer in an extreme way without the possibility to express their pain despite being conscious. I am not sure how many people there are worldwide. I assume more than 1000. And these people might experience several decades of severe torture with no chance to relieve themselves. Due to the existence of such severely tormented people, people who are in favor of procreating should have good arguments for bringing children into existence. Personally I think the fear of loneliness, the inner biological desire to procreate, and suppression of negative facts about the world is for many people enough to procreate.
Here are some reasons against procreating. All over the world people are slaughtering each other over power, religions, territory, greediness, corruption of leaders, ressources the list goes on. So many people become victim of horrible war crimes. And we in the West often only focus on wars that happen to people that are similar to us. All the people in Africa for example barely affect our lives. If there is a downturn in the economy there will be scapegoats found easily. Refugees, unemployed people, immigrants etc. The rich get away with tax evasion easily but no the people who barely make it till the end of the month which are allegedly responsible for all the bad things that happen.
Most of the people only can cope with their everyday lives by numbing themselves with drugs. The youth drinks itself almost to a coma regularly, people like Andrew Tate are admired, so many young women have to experience sexual abuse. Corporations crop the people with addictive substances or products. Sport bets, gambling, even legal drugs, shady contracts, scammers ruin so many lives on a daily basis.
People who cannot cope anymore with their pain who reached their limit maybe due to child abuse, bullying, harrassment, traumata, chronic pain get criminalized when they cannot endure that torment any longer. If people defend existence because life can be amazing (which I do not deny I think for some people life really can be great - good for them) they should also acknowledge that there are people who are tortured in an absurd way over years or decades, Such cases exist and so many professionals do not admit that. There are people who would reply well I have no problem with procreating because the people who dislike existence can still kill themselves which is in my opinion a somewhat plausible argument. However then there should be the right for a peaceful death in the laws of all countries. But even in very highly developed countries the elites deny that right regularly to their people.
I am just so sick that civilians get slaughtered because the political leaders prefer power and honor over lives of innocent people. So many developments are highly perverted. For example how the oil and fossil fuel companies agitate against climate change activists. The whole situation feels so hopeless. And oneself as an individual feels so marginal and powerless. In order to tackle the big crises of our era we all had to stick together in order to prevent a catastrophe and instead the nations panic over their influence and prefer their own selfish goals over the well-being of humankind. But should one be surprised about that? We humans are programmed to be selfish. Capitalism thrives only that well because it exploits our selfishness. Eat or get eaten. It is difficult to remain hopeful if one follows what happens. My personal situation is way too bad so that the state of the world could get my main attention. But I have the feeling the following is happening. The problems worldwide accumuclate instead of being solved. There are polycrises, It is so scary to see that anit-democratic actors/parties get so much power. It slightly feels like 1923. Germany is in a recession also because of our Russia policies in the past. But what would happen if China attacked Taiwan? The impact would be WAY WAY worse. I mean the right wing extreme party is in the East of Germany already the strongest power. There is still a huge potential for a severe downturn possible. If the people already seek their hope in people who scapegoat the most vulnerable groups, believe the lies of people who secretly plan to undermine democracy one can become pretty nervous and anxious. The economic plans of the extreme parties on the left or right would only fuel our demise very rapidly. I don't think we should risk a trial for them to become part of the governement. Many people want that though.
It is insane what is happening. History does not repeat but it might rhyme itself. Holy shit!
I think this post will be nihilistic and might support antinatalism. However this is not in favor of promortalism. I think once you are alive you should make the best possible with the cards you have been dealt with. And suicide is not really a pleasant experience due to the fact how much pain it takes to go through it.
That being said the world looks horrendous. My initial idea for this thread came when I thought of people with the locked-in-syndrome or severe brain damage. People who suffer in an extreme way without the possibility to express their pain despite being conscious. I am not sure how many people there are worldwide. I assume more than 1000. And these people might experience several decades of severe torture with no chance to relieve themselves. Due to the existence of such severely tormented people, people who are in favor of procreating should have good arguments for bringing children into existence. Personally I think the fear of loneliness, the inner biological desire to procreate, and suppression of negative facts about the world is for many people enough to procreate.
Here are some reasons against procreating. All over the world people are slaughtering each other over power, religions, territory, greediness, corruption of leaders, ressources the list goes on. So many people become victim of horrible war crimes. And we in the West often only focus on wars that happen to people that are similar to us. All the people in Africa for example barely affect our lives. If there is a downturn in the economy there will be scapegoats found easily. Refugees, unemployed people, immigrants etc. The rich get away with tax evasion easily but no the people who barely make it till the end of the month which are allegedly responsible for all the bad things that happen.
Most of the people only can cope with their everyday lives by numbing themselves with drugs. The youth drinks itself almost to a coma regularly, people like Andrew Tate are admired, so many young women have to experience sexual abuse. Corporations crop the people with addictive substances or products. Sport bets, gambling, even legal drugs, shady contracts, scammers ruin so many lives on a daily basis.
People who cannot cope anymore with their pain who reached their limit maybe due to child abuse, bullying, harrassment, traumata, chronic pain get criminalized when they cannot endure that torment any longer. If people defend existence because life can be amazing (which I do not deny I think for some people life really can be great - good for them) they should also acknowledge that there are people who are tortured in an absurd way over years or decades, Such cases exist and so many professionals do not admit that. There are people who would reply well I have no problem with procreating because the people who dislike existence can still kill themselves which is in my opinion a somewhat plausible argument. However then there should be the right for a peaceful death in the laws of all countries. But even in very highly developed countries the elites deny that right regularly to their people.
I am just so sick that civilians get slaughtered because the political leaders prefer power and honor over lives of innocent people. So many developments are highly perverted. For example how the oil and fossil fuel companies agitate against climate change activists. The whole situation feels so hopeless. And oneself as an individual feels so marginal and powerless. In order to tackle the big crises of our era we all had to stick together in order to prevent a catastrophe and instead the nations panic over their influence and prefer their own selfish goals over the well-being of humankind. But should one be surprised about that? We humans are programmed to be selfish. Capitalism thrives only that well because it exploits our selfishness. Eat or get eaten. It is difficult to remain hopeful if one follows what happens. My personal situation is way too bad so that the state of the world could get my main attention. But I have the feeling the following is happening. The problems worldwide accumuclate instead of being solved. There are polycrises, It is so scary to see that anit-democratic actors/parties get so much power. It slightly feels like 1923. Germany is in a recession also because of our Russia policies in the past. But what would happen if China attacked Taiwan? The impact would be WAY WAY worse. I mean the right wing extreme party is in the East of Germany already the strongest power. There is still a huge potential for a severe downturn possible. If the people already seek their hope in people who scapegoat the most vulnerable groups, believe the lies of people who secretly plan to undermine democracy one can become pretty nervous and anxious. The economic plans of the extreme parties on the left or right would only fuel our demise very rapidly. I don't think we should risk a trial for them to become part of the governement. Many people want that though.
It is insane what is happening. History does not repeat but it might rhyme itself. Holy shit!
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