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noname223

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Maybe this is a little bit exaggerated and sort of populistic but I am pretty angry. I have made some months ago a thread when I was happy about the welfare reform in my country. It is far away from the defintion of a life with dignity according to social organizations in my country. But even this reform was blocked today. I am pretty sure I cannot hold a job due to my fragile brain and poverty will be a huge reason for my suicide. I know I am privileged to live in Germany and I am thankful for that. However my life quality is already very low. Currently my parents give me money but when they die I will ctb. If I lived on welfare I could not enjoy my hobbies, see my friends, could not eat the food I want etc. I could not even take the train because it is too expensive. As I said my mental health condition tortures me daily and some of my hobbies can help me to cope. I am pretty sure I am unable to survive on welfare after a short period of time. This new reform was kind of promising. Still no dignified life but there were improvements for sure. It could have postponed my suicide for some years. Maybe even prevented it but admittedly that is unlikely.

However the conservative party supported by some journalists started a campaign to agitate against this welfare reform. People who deserved to be mentioned: Friedrich Merz, Markus Söder, Jens Spahn and Hermann Gröhe. These 4 are from the conservative party. All of them are against assisted suicide in order to protect vulnerable people. I would like to add insults against them but insults of politicians are against the law in my country.

I was surprised how many journalists took part at the campaign against unemployed people. Unemployed people were depicted as lazy, people who live hedonistic etc. Though it is fact 1/3 of people on welfare in my country are mentally ill. And all the media outlets usually spam suicide hotlines when writing about suicide.

I don't need platitudes and some warm words. I need real SUBSTANTIAL support and not this bullshit. These are just hypocrites who do this in order to win the next election, sell more newspapers etc.

They are disgusting liars and hypocrites. I despise them. And some of the politicians I mentioned earlier will probably be part of the new government after the next election. Life proves once again it is not fair quite the opposite. People with a disgusting approach towards vulnerable people win. And people like me ctb because of them.

In a country with 10% inflation postponing/ stopping support for vulnerable groups is for me equal to having blood on their hands. It is a known fact that poverty is a main reason for many suicides. They don't give a fuck about vulnerable people. They want to maximize their benefits with this campaign.

By the way there are surveys that said Germans are hesitant or show disapproval towards this reform. But the campaign started way earlier so they were probably influenced by it.

Despite all of that I feel priviliged to live in Germany. Despite the fact that these circumstances will kill me. Others have it way worse. But this treatment is for me no dignified life anymore.

The reform is not fully blocked there will be negotiations. But it is already not enough prevent my suicide. And the new law will probably be way worse.

And you guys wonder why people search for help in suicide forums? I am not surprised by that.
 
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What's wrong with being on welfare? It's enough to survive plus some more, isn't it?
 
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What's wrong with being on welfare? It's enough to survive plus some more, isn't it?
For me it is not enough to live in dignity and I talked to many people who received it and agreed on it.
Have you ever lived for several months or years on welfare to make a judgment?
 
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r me it is not enough to live in dignity and I talked to many people who received it and agreed on it.
Have you ever lived for several months or years on welfare to make a judgment?
Yes, I've been on welfare for 15 years here in the UK. It's always been plenty for me. Unless I wanted to buy a lot of drugs, that's the one thing I want that I can't afford that much of
 
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Yes, I've been on welfare for 15 years here in the UK. It's always been plenty for me. Unless I wanted to buy a lot of drugs, that's the one thing I want that I can't afford that much of
I did the math in my case. And by the way two therapists came to the conclusion I gonna ctb in the future. Due to the combination of poverty and crippling mental health issues. And I think they are right.

I don't think I have what is takes to survive on welfare. This is why I invested insane amounts of time in order to get a stable income. Though it is very unlikely I will ever be able to hold a regular job.

I come from a lower middle class family. I am not used to poverty. Some people seem to can get along with it but they had a very different childhood compared to me. At least the people I know.

As I said I could not play video games with my friends, meet them because the train is too expensive. could not eat the healthy food that I enjoy, I basically could never take the train as transportation because it is too expensive etc.

I even simulated to live in poverty. And no my therapists are right I am not able to do that. I gonna ctb because of it.
 
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May I ask how much money does the gov pay for the unemployed in Germany?
 
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I did the math in my case. And by the way two therapists came to the conclusion I gonna ctb in the future. Due to the combination of poverty and crippling mental health issues. And I think they are right.

I don't think I have what is takes to survive on welfare. This is why I invested insane amounta of time in order to get a stable income. Though it is very unlikely I will ever be able to hold a regular job.

I come from a lower middle class family. I am not used to poverty. Some people seem to can get along with it but they had a very different childhood compared to me. At least the people I know.

As I said I could not play video games with my friends, meet them because the train is too expensive. could not eat the healthy food that I enjoy, I basically could never take the train as transportation because it is too expensive etc.

I even simulated to live in poverty. And no my therapists are right I am not able to do that. I gonna ctb because of it.
Can't you afford a car on welfare?
 
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Can't you afford a car on welfare?
I think rather no. Moreover I really hate driving (a car). My mind has a lot of OCD issues and it stresses me a lot.
May I ask how much money does the gov pay for the unemployed in Germany?
450 euros currently. And the rent for a small apartment.
But it is complicated because the details of welfare depend from country to country. I know it is better than in most other countries.
 
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It's literally 10x more than in my country in Eastern Europe. Anyway I know it's still very little money to live a normal life in Germany. I know the prices there.
Can't you turn your profession into something more profitable?
 
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It's literally 10x more than in my country in Eastern Europe. Anyway I know it's still very little money to live a normal life in Germany. I know the prices there.
Can't you turn your professional into something more profitable?
As I said I know compared to the lives in poor countries it is a lot of money.

Though poverty is always relative and depends on the biography how you can adapt to it.

When I see my friends who can enjoy the video games I miss so much, having a partner (who would take a poor and mentally broken person) etc. Like 90% in my country have more money than me in this country when I am on welfare. I already envy most perople because my mental illnesses make my life a living hell. Combined with this it is simply too much for me.
 
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As I said I know compared to the lives in poor countries it is a lot of money.

Though poverty is always relative and depends on the biography how you can adapt to it.

When I see my friends who can enjoy the video games I miss so much, having a partner (who would take a poor and mentally broken person) etc. Like 90% in my country have more money than me in this country when I am on welfare. I already envy most perople because my mental illnesses make my life a living hell. Combined with this it is simply too much for me.
That's true. We judge by our milieu and the standards around us.
 
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Are there not any top ups or extras you can get if you have problems with mental illness? Or is that what they were attempting to do in the bill that got voted down? I don't know much about the German welfare system, but I have been on disability for years now. It was an adjustment at first, but your life kind of shrinks or expands to the amount of money you get, so now I don't find it so bad. We have lots of charity/second hand shops here that sell things for cheap, and there are community centres to go to meet people (at least in my area) and do things like arts and crafts. Making friends with other people who also don't work was key to my self-esteem, as I couldn't stay friends with my old work colleagues. We had nothing in common any more and it depressed me to hear about them doing great things at work or getting projects I know would have been offered to me if I was still working. I'm sure they found me very boring and didn't want to continue being friends with me, either. It was such a relief to stop work though, I was struggling with it so much. I thought I'd end up using the extra time to do all kinds of things like write a book or whatever, but mostly I just waste time. Honestly, though, what I'm trying to say is it could be worse.
 
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How is mental health treatment over there?
Probably way better than in the vast majority of the rest of the world. Though it is still not enough to make me feel good. I appreciate how many things in the health care system are (almost) for free for people with not much money.