Discussion The decentralized internet is almost here "autonomi" web 3.0 internet

[Darkover]

i've been following this since 2016 use to be known as maidsafe back then , it's been in the making for 18 years
web 3.0 is often referred to as the "decentralized internet"

Autonomi is a important for privacy and data storage it's schedule to release on february 11th 2025

Autonomi

Turning billions of everyday devices into the Internet's crowd storage layer. Decentralized, autonomous, and quantum secure. Strong, private, connected data. And you hold the key.

autonomi.com

Secure, permanent, and encrypted. Critical infrastructure of the next web. Assembled from everyday devices and owned by us all.
Autonomi combines the spare capacity of millions of devices to form the internet's crowd storage layer.

Autonomi allows users to securely store data, communicate, access knowledge, build businesses, run services, and create new futures without the intervention of any middlemen or gatekeepers.

The Network aims to give people autonomy over their digital lives, allowing them to participate in the connected economy, regardless of their location, status, or access to capital. It has been designed to enable mass collaboration between human beings, between machines, and between human beings and machines - critically, without the distorting effects of endemic data insecurity, siloing of knowledge, inefficient markets, and limited accessibility.

When you use The Network to store some data it is split into 'chunks'. Each chunk is securely encrypted with a set of credentials that are only known by the creator—who has the keys to unlock the data and reassemble it into information again.

These credentials never touch the internet.

Data 'chunks' are then sent to The Network, duplicated several times for extra security, and dispersed evenly and randomly across the globe, along with a map of where they are and how to reassemble them. Once again this is securely encrypted and only accessible to the holder of the keys.

The encrypted data chunks are held by a multitude of everyday devices, called nodes, these all offer a small portion of their spare, under-utilised capacity, to securely hold a small collection of encrypted data chunks, serving them back to their owner when asked.

Nodes in The Network are independent but work together in cooperation. Each has a randomly determined location in The Network, and from this location, monitors the health and behaviour of neighbouring nodes it connects to. Nodes check and double-check each other's ability to keep on holding and serving data.

They cooperate based on a set of rules and incentives that reward good behaviour but shun the bad; quickly dropping uncooperative nodes from The Network

Each piece of data stored is looked after by a small number of nodes called a close group, a group which only exists for that specific data. This allows nodes to act independently, but together to form a strong autonomous global network, capable of storing and retaining data in perpetuity.

 

[waistcoat]

this seems overhyped and overmarketed.

 

[Darkover]

this seems overhyped and overmarketed.

That's a common criticism of Web 3.0—many people feel that it's been overhyped, especially with blockchain projects that promised decentralization but ended up being slow, expensive, or centralized in different ways (like relying on a few big players for infrastructure).

However, if Autonomi delivers on its promises—true decentralization, privacy, and ease of use—it could prove the skeptics wrong. The key will be real-world adoption. If people find it genuinely useful and not just a concept, it could change the way we interact with the internet.

 

[waistcoat]

That's a common criticism of Web 3.0—many people feel that it's been overhyped, especially with blockchain projects that promised decentralization but ended up being slow, expensive, or centralized in different ways (like relying on a few big players for infrastructure).

However, if Autonomi delivers on its promises—true decentralization, privacy, and ease of use—it could prove the skeptics wrong. The key will be real-world adoption. If people find it genuinely useful and not just a concept, it could change the way we interact with the internet.

i work in software engineering, specifically i'm best at distributed systems, i can't see this going anywhere.

 

[Darkover]

i work in software engineering, specifically i'm best at distributed systems, i can't see this going anywhere.

It's totally understandable to be skeptical, especially when it comes to something as ambitious as a decentralized internet like Autonomi. Given your background in software engineering and distributed systems, you have a solid perspective to evaluate whether a project like this can scale and work as promised.

Here are some challenges Autonomi might face, from a technical standpoint:

Scalability
Ensuring that the network can handle millions of users, each uploading and retrieving large files, is no small feat. Decentralized systems can be inefficient if not designed to properly scale.

Data Redundancy and Reliability
If the system can't guarantee perpetual data storage from day one, it could be an issue. The complexity of ensuring data availability, redundancy, and integrity without central control can introduce significant performance bottlenecks.

Security
Decentralized networks can be vulnerable to attacks, including Sybil attacks (where fake nodes are introduced to disrupt the system) or 51% attacks if there's a lack of decentralization in the consensus mechanism.

Network Latency and Performance
A distributed network might suffer from higher latency, especially with data retrieval if data is distributed globally, and content delivery is not optimized.

Adoption and Trust
Even with the best technology, adoption can be slow, especially with privacy-centric platforms that might require users to take more steps than traditional systems.

If Autonomi can overcome these challenges and offer a seamless experience, it could be a game-changer, but it's likely to take time to resolve these early hurdles. Your skepticism about it "going anywhere" is probably rooted in the complexity of these distributed systems—it's a huge undertaking!

 

[waistcoat]

It's totally understandable to be skeptical, especially when it comes to something as ambitious as a decentralized internet like Autonomi. Given your background in software engineering and distributed systems, you have a solid perspective to evaluate whether a project like this can scale and work as promised.

Here are some challenges Autonomi might face, from a technical standpoint:

Scalability
Ensuring that the network can handle millions of users, each uploading and retrieving large files, is no small feat. Decentralized systems can be inefficient if not designed to properly scale.

Data Redundancy and Reliability
If the system can't guarantee perpetual data storage from day one, it could be an issue. The complexity of ensuring data availability, redundancy, and integrity without central control can introduce significant performance bottlenecks.

Security
Decentralized networks can be vulnerable to attacks, including Sybil attacks (where fake nodes are introduced to disrupt the system) or 51% attacks if there's a lack of decentralization in the consensus mechanism.

Network Latency and Performance
A distributed network might suffer from higher latency, especially with data retrieval if data is distributed globally, and content delivery is not optimized.

Adoption and Trust
Even with the best technology, adoption can be slow, especially with privacy-centric platforms that might require users to take more steps than traditional systems.

If Autonomi can overcome these challenges and offer a seamless experience, it could be a game-changer, but it's likely to take time to resolve these early hurdles. Your skepticism about it "going anywhere" is probably rooted in the complexity of these distributed systems—it's a huge undertaking!

why are you using chatgpt to preach about decentralised internet on a suicide forum?
like seriously lol wtf

edit: i've just checked your post history and like half of the posts i saw were AI generated LOL

 

[Darkover]

why are you using chatgpt to preach about decentralised internet on a suicide forum?
like seriously lol wtf

edit: i've just checked your post history and like half of the posts i saw were AI generated LOL

i use chatgpt all the time to write for me because i have a brain injury this is the off topic section of the forum just spreading the world about something i've been following for a decade

if your really as good as you say at computer you have no trouble understanding any of this

Spoiler: computer terms

most least significant bit,
msb,lsb,big,little,endian msb[1,0,0,1]lsb, pop3,imap,rc4,base64,xml,zlib,registry,opengl,rsa,ssl,md5,xor cipher ,ftp,html,ports 80,20,21 , mysql, http, post,get,cgi,sockets, win32api,gui,windows,inf,rgb,palette
binary 8,4,2,1, zero and ones 0011,logic and not or nand xor nor,shift bits left right,power,sin,cos,sqr,sqrt,min,max,degress to radians,abs,floor,wrap,pi 3.14159,vector,normalize, magnitude ,direction,dot and cross product, hash functions sha1, ascii characters set,
strings,int, float, integer,short,word,dword,boolean,byte,bits, binary,octal,decimal,hex,matrix,ocr,neuron,weight,threshold,socks4,tcp ip,fat32, ntfs, exfat,partition, GUID, 8 bit 256, 16 bit 65536, 32,64,128, #FF , frequency, amplitude, gdi, ram,rom,circular buffer ,Inverse-square law, point_direction, distributed hash table, peer routing table, bootstrap node, pwm, random, randomseed,
kb 1024, 1000
mb=1024*1024, 1,000,000
gb=1024*1024*1024 1,000,000,000
tb=1024*1024*1024*1024 1,000,000,000,000

3d, view frustrum ,backface culling, painter's algorithm, ray tracing, binary space partitioning (BSP) , Visible Surface, md2 3d model, polygons quads,fps,camera

circle,point,x,y,radius,diameter,circumference
circle radius,
circumference divided by diameter gives PI,

cellular automata,turing machine, lexer, parser, virtual machine interpreter, bytecode, x86 asm, opcodes, z80,6502,arm,4000 chips,pic12f675, nop 0x90

CPU, alu, control unit, registers, fetch,program counter, data bus, address bus, store, load, interrupt,, system clock, full adder, shift register, jk flip-flop, bcd, decoder, multiplexer,opcode

asymmetry, symmetry,
bresenham's line algorithm, flood fill, eclipse,virtual screen, c malloc,dos mode 0x13, 0xA000, 256-Color.
texture mapping,sprite,texture atlas
steering behaviors flee,arrival,wander,seek,

perlin noise, encryption alice bob, private, public,key,
linear interpolation,lerp,distance -kademlia,field of view, serialization, deserialization, json, inputs, outputs, dma,immediate,absolute,memory mapping, lookup tables,truth tables,stacks, pop, push,top ,queues,first in first out, last in first out, FIFO & LILO , LIFO & FILO, link list, double linked list, node,child,root,head,tail,pointer,
two's complement, addition, subtraction, a star, modulo, windows environment variables, a variable

 

[waistcoat]

i use chatgpt all the time to write for me because i have a brain injury this is the off topic section of the forum just spreading the world about something i've been following for a decade

if your really as good as you say at computer you have no trouble understanding any of this

Spoiler: computer terms

most least significant bit,
msb,lsb,big,little,endian msb[1,0,0,1]lsb, pop3,imap,rc4,base64,xml,zlib,registry,opengl,rsa,ssl,md5,xor cipher ,ftp,html,ports 80,20,21 , mysql, http, post,get,cgi,sockets, win32api,gui,windows,inf,rgb,palette
binary 8,4,2,1, zero and ones 0011,logic and not or nand xor nor,shift bits left right,power,sin,cos,sqr,sqrt,min,max,degress to radians,abs,floor,wrap,pi 3.14159,vector,normalize, magnitude ,direction,dot and cross product, hash functions sha1, ascii characters set,
strings,int, float, integer,short,word,dword,boolean,byte,bits, binary,octal,decimal,hex,matrix,ocr,neuron,weight,threshold,socks4,tcp ip,fat32, ntfs, exfat,partition, GUID, 8 bit 256, 16 bit 65536, 32,64,128, #FF , frequency, amplitude, gdi, ram,rom,circular buffer ,Inverse-square law, point_direction, distributed hash table, peer routing table, bootstrap node, pwm, random, randomseed,
kb 1024, 1000
mb=1024*1024, 1,000,000
gb=1024*1024*1024 1,000,000,000
tb=1024*1024*1024*1024 1,000,000,000,000

3d, view frustrum ,backface culling, painter's algorithm, ray tracing, binary space partitioning (BSP) , Visible Surface, md2 3d model, polygons quads,fps,camera

circle,point,x,y,radius,diameter,circumference
circle radius,
circumference divided by diameter gives PI,

cellular automata,turing machine, lexer, parser, virtual machine interpreter, bytecode, x86 asm, opcodes, z80,6502,arm,4000 chips,pic12f675, nop 0x90

CPU, alu, control unit, registers, fetch,program counter, data bus, address bus, store, load, interrupt,, system clock, full adder, shift register, jk flip-flop, bcd, decoder, multiplexer,opcode

asymmetry, symmetry,
bresenham's line algorithm, flood fill, eclipse,virtual screen, c malloc,dos mode 0x13, 0xA000, 256-Color.
texture mapping,sprite,texture atlas
steering behaviors flee,arrival,wander,seek,

perlin noise, encryption alice bob, private, public,key,
linear interpolation,lerp,distance -kademlia,field of view, serialization, deserialization, json, inputs, outputs, dma,immediate,absolute,memory mapping, lookup tables,truth tables,stacks, pop, push,top ,queues,first in first out, last in first out, FIFO & LILO , LIFO & FILO, link list, double linked list, node,child,root,head,tail,pointer,
two's complement, addition, subtraction, a star, modulo, windows environment variables, a variable

i'm not entirely sure that is achieving the goal you want, anyone who cares enough to know about this equally knows how to spot ai-generated content, and will most likely skip over it and ignore it.

as for the random "computery" terms you've listed alongside some random maths, sure? you've just listed a bunch of keywords along with the acronyms and a very minor definition for some of them? i'm not entirely sure what your goal was in posting that?

 

[Darkover]

i'm not entirely sure that is achieving the goal you want, anyone who cares enough to know about this equally knows how to spot ai-generated content, and will most likely skip over it and ignore it.

as for the random "computery" terms you've listed alongside some random maths, sure? you've just listed a bunch of keywords along with the acronyms and a very minor definition for some of them? i'm not entirely sure what your goal was in posting that?

to test your knowledge in computer science like how do you do subtraction using two's complement
everyone is taught how to do that so if you can't answer i will assume you don't have the knowledge you claim to have on computer science

 

[waistcoat]

to test your knowledge in computer science like how do you do subtraction using two's complement
everyone is taught how to do that so if you can't answer i will assume you don't have the knowledge you claim to have on computer science

uh-huh... i'm not really in the business for "proving" my knowledge to you. i have 7 years of industry experience, and don't really see a need to prove that to anyone beyond my employer, no less a random stranger.

you can think whatever you want about my skills and / or experience - i don't care - and i'm not about to sit here and justify myself to someone who evidently has no idea what they are talking about, especially on sasu of all places lol

 

[Darkover]

uh-huh... i'm not really in the business for "proving" my knowledge to you. i have 7 years of industry experience, and don't really see a need to prove that to anyone beyond my employer, no less a random stranger.

you can think whatever you want about my skills and / or experience - i don't care - and i'm not about to sit here and justify myself to someone who evidently has no idea what they are talking about, especially on sasu of all places lol

i bet you don't even know what boolean algebra is or how to do addition in base 2

 

[lamy's sacred sleep]

the internet is already decentralized?

perhaps im a fool, who knows nothing and I sound like a silly clown.
sorry

 

[Darkover]

the internet is already decentralized?

perhaps im a fool, who knows nothing and I sound like a silly clown.
sorry

No, the internet is not decentralized. While the original idea behind the internet was to be a decentralized network of computers, in practice, much of it is controlled by large corporations, governments, and centralized infrastructure providers. Here are some key points:

• Domain Name System (DNS): Controlled by centralized entities like ICANN, making domain names reliant on a few organizations.
• Hosting and Cloud Services: A handful of companies (Amazon AWS, Google Cloud, Microsoft Azure) host a massive share of websites and services.
• Internet Service Providers (ISPs): A few major ISPs control access to the internet in most countries, meaning they can throttle, block, or monitor traffic.
• Social Media and Platforms: Most online interactions happen on centralized platforms like Facebook, Twitter (X), YouTube, and TikTok.
• Search Engines: Google dominates search, controlling how people find information.

However, some decentralized alternatives exist:

• Blockchain-based networks (e.g., Ethereum, IPFS, Handshake) aim to decentralize aspects of the web.
• Peer-to-Peer (P2P) networks (e.g., Tor, Mastodon, BitTorrent) allow users to share data without central servers.
• Self-hosting and federated services (e.g., Matrix for messaging, Mastodon for social media) distribute control.