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DoomCry

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Many people believe that suicide by gunshot to the head carries a high risk of failure. They say, "If you don't hit the brainstem, you might survive blind, paralyzed." They throw around a 90% mortality rate, as if that were an uncertain estimate. But in reality, these statistics say almost nothing. They don't distinguish between caliber, trajectory, barrel depth, entry point. They mix in technical errors, superficial wounds, ricochets, attempted homicides. 67% of gunshots to the head are to the temple. Only 16% are truly intraoral. And yet people keep citing "failures" as if they were common. But what failures are we talking about? The ones where the gun was placed just behind the front teeth? The ones shot under the chin, at an oblique angle? The ones with low-caliber weapons? The ones where the barrel was visibly poorly positioned in postmortem photos? These are not true intraoral shots. They're poorly executed attempts, often driven by fear or misinformation.
A real intraoral shot is something else entirely. When a large-caliber gun—like a .357 Magnum or .44 Magnum—is inserted deep into the mouth, it doesn't need to be precise. There's no need to hit the brainstem. The bullet, the gas pressure, the shockwave, and the thermal explosion destroy everything: the cranial base, nasal sinuses, nervous tissue. No expertise required. Just don't make obvious mistakes. And physics, in this case, is merciless.
The forensic medical chart often cited shows clearly that even without hitting the brainstem, there are brain areas with mortality rates of 80–90%. But more importantly, a close-range shot inside the mouth doesn't just pierce. It pulverizes. It collapses. It devastates.
Some unpublished data come from a collaboration between the Institut de Police Scientifique at the University of Lausanne and the Institut für Rechtsmedizin in Hamburg. A group of students worked on autopsy files of suicide cases by firearm, focusing especially on intraoral shots. Preliminary results confirm what logic already suggests: when the barrel is inserted deeply into the mouth and the caliber is high, lethality approaches 100%, even without hitting the brainstem.
If these so-called failures were really that frequent, there would be evidence. So where are they? Where are the survivor associations? Where are the specialized clinics for people injured by self-inflicted headshots? Where are the documentaries, memoirs, testimonies? It's always the same three or four cases circulating for the last twenty years. Is it really possible that no one else has told their story worldwide? Maybe not—because maybe those cases are the exception, not the rule.
The truth is, those who obsessively push the "failed suicide" narrative aren't doing it out of love for accuracy. They do it to scare. To deter. To keep you alive at all costs. It's the same pro-life narrative that opposes euthanasia, choice, self-determination. One that never asks why you want to die, but instead blackmails you with the fear of surviving in worse conditions.
But reality is different. An intraoral gunshot with a large-caliber weapon, with the barrel truly inserted into the oral cavity, leaves no way out. No skill required. Just don't botch it in the most basic ways. And maybe that's exactly why this truth is hidden, denied, manipulated. Because if it became clear, the whole scaffolding of deterrence would collapse.
If it were really that easy to fail, the world would be full of survivors. Instead, it's full of silence.
And silence, usually, doesn't survive.
 
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Many people believe that suicide by gunshot to the head carries a high risk of failure. They say, "If you don't hit the brainstem, you might survive blind, paralyzed." They throw around a 90% mortality rate, as if that were an uncertain estimate. But in reality, these statistics say almost nothing. They don't distinguish between caliber, trajectory, barrel depth, entry point. They mix in technical errors, superficial wounds, ricochets, attempted homicides. 67% of gunshots to the head are to the temple. Only 16% are truly intraoral. And yet people keep citing "failures" as if they were common. But what failures are we talking about? The ones where the gun was placed just behind the front teeth? The ones shot under the chin, at an oblique angle? The ones with low-caliber weapons? The ones where the barrel was visibly poorly positioned in postmortem photos? These are not true intraoral shots. They're poorly executed attempts, often driven by fear or misinformation.
A real intraoral shot is something else entirely. When a large-caliber gun—like a .357 Magnum or .44 Magnum—is inserted deep into the mouth, it doesn't need to be precise. There's no need to hit the brainstem. The bullet, the gas pressure, the shockwave, and the thermal explosion destroy everything: the cranial base, nasal sinuses, nervous tissue. No expertise required. Just don't make obvious mistakes. And physics, in this case, is merciless.
The forensic medical chart often cited shows clearly that even without hitting the brainstem, there are brain areas with mortality rates of 80–90%. But more importantly, a close-range shot inside the mouth doesn't just pierce. It pulverizes. It collapses. It devastates.
Some unpublished data come from a collaboration between the Institut de Police Scientifique at the University of Lausanne and the Institut für Rechtsmedizin in Hamburg. A group of students worked on autopsy files of suicide cases by firearm, focusing especially on intraoral shots. Preliminary results confirm what logic already suggests: when the barrel is inserted deeply into the mouth and the caliber is high, lethality approaches 100%, even without hitting the brainstem.
If these so-called failures were really that frequent, there would be evidence. So where are they? Where are the survivor associations? Where are the specialized clinics for people injured by self-inflicted headshots? Where are the documentaries, memoirs, testimonies? It's always the same three or four cases circulating for the last twenty years. Is it really possible that no one else has told their story worldwide? Maybe not—because maybe those cases are the exception, not the rule.
The truth is, those who obsessively push the "failed suicide" narrative aren't doing it out of love for accuracy. They do it to scare. To deter. To keep you alive at all costs. It's the same pro-life narrative that opposes euthanasia, choice, self-determination. One that never asks why you want to die, but instead blackmails you with the fear of surviving in worse conditions.
But reality is different. An intraoral gunshot with a large-caliber weapon, with the barrel truly inserted into the oral cavity, leaves no way out. No skill required. Just don't botch it in the most basic ways. And maybe that's exactly why this truth is hidden, denied, manipulated. Because if it became clear, the whole scaffolding of deterrence would collapse.
If it were really that easy to fail, the world would be full of survivors. Instead, it's full of silence.
And silence, usually, doesn't survive.
Thank you for saying this. I agree with you 100%. In 2023 27,000+ people died by suicide using a firearm. If the success rate were really that low that statistic would be much lower. Intraoral with a high caliber firearm seems like a guarantee. For the people who have failed they've used a small caliber firearm and have gone under the chin or through the temple which is less than ideal.
 
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locked*n*loaded

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Very well written. There just is no substitute for the truth. And although firearm ctb isn't for everyone, it's still the most effective method when the criteria specified in the OP's post is followed - large caliber gun fired deep in the mouth.
 
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Rifles and shotguns transfer more energy into the head / brain / mouth than handguns. this study showed > 2700 ft pounds energy , every time caused a bursting of the head which of course kills the brainstem and brain instantly. so using a rifle or shotgun inside the mouth would be even more lethal than a handgun. imo it's like an explosion inside the head the brain won't survive the head bursts open . deep inside mouth angled up .

Wounds of high-energy centerfire rifles and shotguns represent distinctive injuries of forensic importance. Previous studies of contact wounds have shown variability in the potential of these weapons to produce bursting wounds of the head. The present study analyzed contact head wounds owing to 26 centerfire rifles and nine shotgun slugs and compared them with respect to weapon, ammunition, entry wound site, and projectile kinetic energy. The bursting effect, defined for this study as disruption of at least 50% of the head, occurred in 25/35 of cases and was related to kinetic energy. Bursting was associated with energies <2700 ft-lbs in 12/22 cases and energies >2700 ft-lbs in 13/13 cases. The volume of gunpowder gas injected into the wound was considered as contributing to the bursting phenomenon. There was no relation of bursting to the specific entrance wound site, type of ammunition, or projectile fragmentation.

 
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so yeah , this sorta became one of my main kicks to whip this up , and hey , it's finally done – thx for tolerating my weirdo ramblings

 
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looking4partner

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Oct 11, 2024
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I have some things to say to this:

1. Many gun barrels are too big to fit deep in your mouth, even handguns, especially the modern ones - I don't know if this design is supposed to be anti CBT. But I have a 357 handgun and I have to open my mouth as far as physically possible to even be able to fit the end of the barrel in and it is way too large for me to be able to fit it anywhere near my throat. (I researched older versions of the exact same gun and it looks like they had much smaller barrels)

2. Society does not care enough about disabled people to create specialized clinics for people injured by self-inflicted headshots.

It's already extremely difficult to find providers and treatments & housing & social support for many common disabilities.

And many disabled people are in adult family homes, nursing facilities, or if they're very lucky, living with supportive family member(s) or spouse.

The world is so inaccessible that it makes it difficult for disabled people to go out in public and do many basic things that everyone takes for granted like having the option of someone you know to drive you who will wait for you once they get to your house and be reliable. (There are "services" to drive disabled people to medical appointments, but they are often hours late to picking them up even when pre-scheduled, cause people to miss important doctor appointments that had a 6 month wait-list to even be able to get in for by double booking people who requested a ride causing them to not show up until after the appointment time ended unless the person adds on at least an hour to the time their appointment is supposed to start, yet the "service" driver does not wait much more than 5 minutes after the pickup time requested even though disabled people are usually slower and it takes time to get their wheelchair in the car or other tool that they may need it for them to leave a house that does not necessarily have ramps/railings, etc. and is not always accessible inside either even if it is an adult family home with the purpose of housing disabled people. City transit buses and services like Uber also are known for abandoning as soon as they see a person in a wheelchair no matter how long they have been waiting. And if they have a hired caregiver, many many many people in that job either don't drive or aren't willing to drive clients long distances because of gas fists which the company only reimbursed workers something like 10 cents a mile for. And the caregivers at adult family homes won't drive people because they need to stay in the home but agencies won't let you hire an external caregiver if you live in an adult family home because the "caregivers there can help you" even though they can't and they're not. And not all disabled people are able to travel alone.)

Since the survivors often become paraplegic, quadriplegic, and/or blind along with possible extreme brain damage, they would not necessarily be able to request to be in some type of TV show or book? And they may be spending years of their life re-learning how to do many things because of the effects of the disability which is probably more important to them than writing a memoir at that point in time?

(Depressed people are also less likely to be motivated to do additional projects like that.)

And even if they were physically able to, most people (and/or their family) would not want to become famous for publicizing that they became disabled from trying to CTB when people already assume and blame disabled people for problems caused by their struggle to access systems that are not designed to accommodate them in any way and also do not take into account how many aspects of their lives that affects. And when there is already such a high level of stigma against people who are even having ideation thoughts let alone attempts.

There are many many many people who have not told their stories worldwide. Not everyone is the type of person that wants to do that even if they're not speaking about a CTB story.

3. I am also learning that .357 is not a large caliber for a headshot. It is on the smaller end compared to rifles and shotguns which are the types of guns where you don't need to be as precise.

4. If people are on disability, they are also not allowed to spend more than $2,000 a month on all costs total if they want to keep receiving it which also makes it difficult to do "extra" things when you or your family are struggling to survive/coordinate pay for your needs

5. Disabled people have been "hidden away" historically partly because of how inaccessible the world is to them and so just because you don't see them doesn't mean that they don't exist but many of them are likely not "out in public" often. Most of society does not want to create opportunities for disabled people to be seen, heard,& accommodated because it "inconveniences" everyone else (and people do actually say this when disabled people's needs are brought up.)

6. I do agree that it's not possible for us to have completely 100% accurate gunshot/CTB statistics -and the aspects you mentioned are a partial piece of all the factors that exist for why that is- and that the highest caliber possible has the highest probability of "guaranteed completion" (which would be a shotgun not a handgun)

7. And I am sharing it because of accuracy. And also because I have been trying to make sure that I know enough about what could possibly go wrong to be more prepared before an attempt and because of anxiety. Many people on this site have mental illness which includes anxiety and sometimes those people will do much more research than someone without and learn that many things are less guaranteed and more out of our control than we assume they are. And they also learn information that is valuable to know and to make decisions -information that may not be known or shared by other random people on the Internet talking about the subject even though it is very relevant and important.
 
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Oct 7, 2025
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I have some things to say to this:

1. Many gun barrels are too big to fit deep in your mouth, even handguns, especially the modern ones - I don't know if this design is supposed to be anti CBT. But I have a 357 handgun and I have to open my mouth as far as physically possible to even be able to fit the end of the barrel in and it is way too large for me to be able to fit it anywhere near my throat. (I researched older versions of the exact same gun and it looks like they had much smaller barrels)

2. Society does not care enough about disabled people to create specialized clinics for people injured by self-inflicted headshots.

It's already extremely difficult to find providers and treatments & housing & social support for many common disabilities.

And many disabled people are in adult family homes, nursing facilities, or if they're very lucky, living with supportive family member(s) or spouse.

The world is so inaccessible that it makes it difficult for disabled people to go out in public and do many basic things that everyone takes for granted like having the option of someone you know to drive you who will wait for you once they get to your house and be reliable. (There are "services" to drive disabled people to medical appointments, but they are often hours late to picking them up even when pre-scheduled, cause people to miss important doctor appointments that had a 6 month wait-list to even be able to get in for by double booking people who requested a ride causing them to not show up until after the appointment time ended unless the person adds on at least an hour to the time their appointment is supposed to start, yet the "service" driver does not wait much more than 5 minutes after the pickup time requested even though disabled people are usually slower and it takes time to get their wheelchair in the car or other tool that they may need it for them to leave a house that does not necessarily have ramps/railings, etc. and is not always accessible inside either even if it is an adult family home with the purpose of housing disabled people. City transit buses and services like Uber also are known for abandoning as soon as they see a person in a wheelchair no matter how long they have been waiting. And if they have a hired caregiver, many many many people in that job either don't drive or aren't willing to drive clients long distances because of gas fists which the company only reimbursed workers something like 10 cents a mile for. And the caregivers at adult family homes won't drive people because they need to stay in the home but agencies won't let you hire an external caregiver if you live in an adult family home because the "caregivers there can help you" even though they can't and they're not. And not all disabled people are able to travel alone.)

Since the survivors often become paraplegic, quadriplegic, and/or blind along with possible extreme brain damage, they would not necessarily be able to request to be in some type of TV show or book? And they may be spending years of their life re-learning how to do many things because of the effects of the disability which is probably more important to them than writing a memoir at that point in time?

(Depressed people are also less likely to be motivated to do additional projects like that.)

And even if they were physically able to, most people (and/or their family) would not want to become famous for publicizing that they became disabled from trying to CTB when people already assume and blame disabled people for problems caused by their struggle to access systems that are not designed to accommodate them in any way and also do not take into account how many aspects of their lives that affects. And when there is already such a high level of stigma against people who are even having ideation thoughts let alone attempts.

There are many many many people who have not told their stories worldwide. Not everyone is the type of person that wants to do that even if they're not speaking about a CTB story.

3. I am also learning that .357 is not a large caliber for a headshot. It is on the smaller end compared to rifles and shotguns which are the types of guns where you don't need to be as precise.

4. If people are on disability, they are also not allowed to spend more than $2,000 a month on all costs total if they want to keep receiving it which also makes it difficult to do "extra" things when you or your family are struggling to survive/coordinate pay for your needs

5. Disabled people have been "hidden away" historically partly because of how inaccessible the world is to them and so just because you don't see them doesn't mean that they don't exist but many of them are likely not "out in public" often. Most of society does not want to create opportunities for disabled people to be seen, heard,& accommodated because it "inconveniences" everyone else (and people do actually say this when disabled people's needs are brought up.)
Not trying to be rude, just curious. Is there a reason you are commenting on so many gun threads trying to discourage firearm CTB? Do you have an experience or something? You just seem very anti firearm CTB.
 
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looking4partner

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Not trying to be rude, just curious. Is there a reason you are commenting on so many gun threads trying to discourage firearm CTB? Do you have an experience or something? You just seem very anti firearm CTB.
I'm not trying to discourage it, I'm just trying to share the information that I have learned after buying my own firearm from trying to research the best way to do it and I have severe anxiety. I also see people who have zero experience with firearms stating their opinions as if they're indisputable facts and it's upsetting because I am trying to search to decide where I will aim or might try if the chest doesn't work. (I am too scared to do headshot now because my gun isn't a shotgun and because it won't fit in my mouth and if I became blind, the disabilities that I already have would feel even scarier).

And while researching my caliber and all the options of different brain locations where to aim, I have seen stories from other people (not this website) where every single method has a failure and talking about their patients or friends who are now still depressed and blind or needing 24/7 care for the rest of their life. And I already have disabilities that affect almost all of my functions to think and move (not from CBT) and my CTB plan is happening because of already being so disabled and I can't imagine my family forcing me to stay alive still if that happens while my fear sensation still won't turn off because my nervous system stopped working properly and makes every second of life hell already. In a way that is much worse than my previous severe mental illnesses ever were. (Which I still have plus new mental illness disorders. And AI was isolated almost my entire life and now I'm unable to do the things I dreamed of being able to do on my own one day and going out anywhere in public and the hobbies that used to help distract me & cause what small amounts of joy I had left are all torture now because of how much the disability affects me. It's also a disability that many providers don't believe because of not being educated about it and I already have trauma from not being believed my whole life before this disability.)

And all the researching has caused intrusive OCD thoughts about all the things that could go wrong that I don't want to be having and I had to make compromises on my choices of what to do in my plan because of an extreme loss of independence (and loss of what control I did have over my own life) and cognitive functions and I regret not preparing properly when I was still able to do the method with the highest possible probability of working completely.
 
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I'm not trying to discourage it, I'm just trying to share the information that I have learned after buying my own firearm from trying to research the best way to do it and I have severe anxiety. I also see people who have zero experience with firearms stating their opinions as if they're indisputable facts and it's upsetting because I am trying to search to decide where I will aim or might try if the chest doesn't work. (I am too scared to do headshot now because my gun isn't a shotgun and because it won't fit in my mouth and if I became blind, the disabilities that I already have would feel even scarier).

And while researching my caliber and all the options of different brain locations where to aim, I have seen stories from other people (not this website) where every single method has a failure and talking about their patients or friends who are now still depressed and blind or needing 24/7 care for the rest of their life. And I already have disabilities that affect almost all of my functions to think and move (not from CBT) and my CTB plan is happening because of already being so disabled and I can't imagine my family forcing me to stay alive still if that happens while my fear sensation still won't turn off because my nervous system stopped working properly and makes every second of life hell already. In a way that is much worse than my previous severe mental illnesses ever were. (Which I still have plus new mental illness disorders. And AI was isolated almost my entire life and now I'm unable to do the things I dreamed of being able to do on my own one day and going out anywhere in public and the hobbies that used to help distract me & cause what small amounts of joy I had left are all torture now because of how much the disability affects me. It's also a disability that many providers don't believe because of not being educated about it and I already have trauma from not being believed my whole life before this disability.)
Hello. So just to clarify, is this a method you're considering? If so do you mind sharing that? Just wondering your perspective.
 
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looking4partner

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Hello. So just to clarify, is this a method you're considering? If so do you mind sharing that? Just wondering your perspective.
Gun, yes.

But now I wish I had gotten a shotgun because it will still work even if aim is way less accurately directed than is needed for using a shotgun the majority of the time since the shockwave and power from that type of round and how severely/widely it's able to affect many different surrounding tissues upon impact with the body even without directly hitting them is so much higher. And the more space it affects, the more likely it is to damage vital organs.

The shotgun can also more easily break bones such as the ones protecting the heart while a hard surface could cause smaller bullets like a .357 to deflect and bounce off and change its trajectory instead of penetrating through to the intended destination. It's not 100% guaranteed with a shotgun either, but because a shotgun is much more powerful with increased pressure & some other aspects of bullet design, I am pretty sure bone causes less friction than it would with a handgun bullet.
 
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The statistics are produced by a pro-life world. However, statistics in this case cannot be trusted. They lack any kind of transparency. It's better to focus on the facts, on what can actually be observed and cannot be hidden or artificially manipulated to create dissuasion. If we look at homicides/suicides, where the murderer ultimately shoots himself, we don't find many quadriplegics or paraplegics. They usually die. In these situations, there is a legal requirement in most countries to publish the news for public safety reasons. The same goes for famous people; it's very difficult to find a quadriplegic or paraplegic. The statistics themselves on cyanide mortality speak for themselves; in some cases, the immortality rate is around 30%, 60%, and some 80%. Even in the mass suicide in Guyana, it wasn't possible to hide anything. Too many people were involved. Of the over nine hundred people who took cyanide, all died. None even reached the hospital. This equates to a 100% success rate. This isn't to say that tragic cases don't exist, but I can't find any statistical evidence when I look at actual, observable cases. And the World Health Organization recommends that media outlets filter news in a dissuasive manner.
The shotgun can also more easily break bones such as the ones protecting the heart while a hard surface could cause smaller bullets like a .357 to deflect and bounce off and change its trajectory instead of penetrating through to the intended destination.
Small bullets from a .357 magnum? Are you kidding? It's a huge bullet, like a temporary cavitation of 8-10 cm, not to mention the gases released. It has a power of 600 to 1,000 joules. Luigi Tenco committed suicide with a pistol (Walther PPK 7.65) of 180 joules that does not cause any temporary cavitation, and he did so by shooting himself in the temple without even damaging the brainstem, and he died instantly. His friend, music producer Lucien Morisse, suffered the same fate a few years later with the same weapon. The famous designer Gucci was murdered by Benedetto Ceraulo with a 160 joule pistol (7.65 mm Browning caliber). He committed suicide in 2025 with a 6.75, about 87 joules, shooting himself in the head. A .357 magnum has a power almost 13 times that used by the killer to commit suicide.
 
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