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obligatoryshackles

I don't want to get used to it.
Aug 11, 2023
35
:: i will gladly answer anyones questions on this!

god does not 'send people to hell', by sinning they are saying they do not want to be with him. he would not force you to be with him, as he gives you free will.

god cannot kill satan (who causes things like ctb, murder, etc) because this is satan's world. soon, god will destroy earth and built a new earth.

satan is nowhere near as powerful as god. when satans army saw jesus, 3/4(not sure of this number) of them instantly killed themself! when satan tried to fight god, he couldn't eve get to god, as he was overpowered by an archangel.

while some of the shit he did was insane, that's just how it was.

love u all!
"You did this because you don't love me enough" and "since you don't care for me, I won't care for you" are the words of an abuser, not a benevolent parent who is giving their child "free reign".

If Satan actively causes evil things to occur, against the will of humanity, then it sounds like humans don't have free will. Nor should they be punished for their evil deeds since Satan is actively responsible.

"My parents sometimes do horrific things to me, but that's ok, that's just how it is." does not inspire confidence in God being good.

Love for all people, hate for the world we were put in (and its creator).
 
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Maravillosa

Господи помилуй — мир в Україні!
Sep 7, 2018
679
:: i will gladly answer anyones questions on this!

god does not 'send people to hell', by sinning they are saying they do not want to be with him. he would not force you to be with him, as he gives you free will.

god cannot kill satan (who causes things like ctb, murder, etc) because this is satan's world. soon, god will destroy earth and built a new earth.

satan is nowhere near as powerful as god. when satans army saw jesus, 3/4(not sure of this number) of them instantly killed themself! when satan tried to fight god, he couldn't eve get to god, as he was overpowered by an archangel.

while some of the shit he did was insane, that's just how it was.

love u all!
Why do you think people have free will?
 
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Andro_USYD

Artificially happy on medicine
Jul 1, 2023
86
I personally think we have free will because the idea of not having it is self refuting Afterall we can freely agree or disagree whether we have free will. For the arguments for God's existence I gave you are free to agree with the argument or not agree. Not having free will seems to be so contrary to experience + there are arguments for the existence of the soul (just read "mysteries of mind" by the neuroscientist Wilder Penfield. Are there any reasons you believe that U don't have free will (just curious).
 
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ifeelthelight

they say it’s darkest of all before the dawn
Sep 13, 2023
352
Recently, there was a certain individual who claimed that God loves someone who had trouble believing in God due to their suffering in life.

Let's say that's true. Let's say that God was actively watching someone he supposedly loves suffering day after day, with the presumed outcome that this person eventually breaks down and commits suicide. Is the idea that... God, despite being literally all powerful, was just watching someone he LOVES suffering to the point of suicide and did... nothing? Oh, and as a bonus, he sends that person to the infinite torture dimension after they die. Nice!

Like, maybe God does love you, but if this is how he treats people he loves... How can you claim that God is good...?

If a parent watched their child get bullied by their siblings until the child committed suicide and literally did nothing, I'm pretty sure you'd have a few problems with that.

I do want to hear the counterpoint to this because I'm 100% sure someone in the last 2000 years has thought of the same problem and the Catholic church would have had to think of a response, so someone qualified please explain to me how you can see this and still believe God, as depicted according to the mainstream canon, can be good.
He is. If he weren’t, he would actually do something about all the suffering, and not allow it.