Terrified about reincarnation, anyone else?

[MariV]

Imagine having to live this:



Isnt it extremely hardcore?

I dont know of this kind of topic belongs here. if not, sorry.ill delete it. but i think the fear of death we often discuss can be due to these ideas.

 

[marcusuk63]

No because it`s all made up bull

 

[Niirvana]

There is nothing like that, we are just chemical brain connections and nothing else, there is nothing after death luckily!

 

[ecmnesia]

personally I'm a skeptic person, but if it does happens to you, guess you will just have to go for CBT again (in case you remember something, which is unlikely, so either way, maybe in that other life you will achieve happiness or whatever it is that makes people appreciate life). basically i dont think you should worry about it.

 

[MariV]

There is nothing like that, we are just chemical brain connections and nothing else, there is nothing after death luckily!

sure? many great philosophers had very good arguments for it. for instance:

Philosophers – Reincarnation Research

now with the quantum physics its also much less clear than before. i hope ure right. scares me to death

 

[rt1989526]

I can't believe anyone would keep someone on life support if they had that condition. That is so cruel.

 

[ecmnesia]

I can't believe anyone would keep someone on life support if they had that condition. That is so cruel.

humans are selfish enough for it, even though the affected one is suffering or a "vegetable" (don't want to be offensive). i mean, we are forced to keep on living, aren't we? I might be wrong, but you know, its pretty much the same for me.

 

[TheQ22]

You should read Letzteausfahrt's post about this, he puts it really well - something like a unique combination of chemical, electrical and biological connections that create the illusion of reality.

Or something like that - basically it's all in your brain, once that stops there is nothing else. No God, no heaven, no anything. Just nothingness, which you can't imagine because you have to be alive to think about the concept of nothingness.

 

[MariV]

I can't believe anyone would keep someone on life support if they had that condition. That is so cruel.

in some cases the person could not even move their eyes so couldnt express their wish to die. imaginong that for days, months, years...its terrifying. i hope you people are right and consciousness disappears

 

[TheQ22]

in some cases the person could not even move their eyes so couldnt express their wish to die. imaginong that for days, months, years...its terrifying. i hope you people are right and consciousness disappears

I knew nothing about the millions of years that had already existed before I got here and reached about 3 years old, so I expect that I will know nothing about the millions of years afterwards once i am dead.

Unless like on red dwarf time contracts and goes backwards to the big bang, so I have to vomit up everything I drunk, and drink up everything I vomited.

But I think that's unlikey. I think once I no longer am aware of anything, there is nothing so far as I am concerned.

My universe will have collapsed and will have ceased to exist, along with me. There will be no regrets because neither I or my reality will exist any longer to feel or experience regret.

 

[Meditation guide]

Those people aren't allowed to ctb and can't move to do it themselves so they have no choice, they have to find a way to go on somehow. They must all have others to take care of them too. Left totally alone they would die of starvation and dehydration. I wouldn't have the strength to make the best of it personally.

I believe in reincarnation and hope the next time is better. Not much we can do about it unless we somehow become enlightened enough to not be reborn this time. This life has definitely been interesting to say the least.

 

[marcusuk63]

You should read Letzteausfahrt's post about this, he puts it really well - something like a unique combination of chemical, electrical and biological connections that create the illusion of reality.

Or something like that - basically it's all in your brain, once that stops there is nothing else. No God, no heaven, no anything. Just nothingness, which you can't imagine because you have to be alive to think about the concept of nothingness.

When i had my 1st motorcycle crash (the others being just open wounds and broken bones) i was unconscious for 3 days , i had no dreams and couldn't even remember leaving work , i couldn't even speak properly as i could think the words but it just came out all slurred , anyway there was nothingness for 3 days and i only felt all the pain when i regained consciousness . if i had of died , if only it would just carry on , nothing

 

[BipolarGuy]

...now with the quantum physics...

Oh don't!

 

[TheQ22]

When i had my 1st motorcycle crash (the others being just open wounds and broken bones) i was unconscious for 3 days , i had no dreams and couldn't even remember leaving work , i couldn't even speak properly as i could think the words but it just came out all slurred , anyway there was nothingness for 3 days and i only felt all the pain when i regained consciousness . if i had of died , if only it would just carry on , nothing

I knew a guy who died in hospital, I asked him did you see the tunnel of light, family and friends waiting, etc?

He said "No fuck all. just nothing til I came round after they'd recusitated me".

I believe him and you - once you're gone, you're gone.

 

[Meditation guide]

it would just carry on , nothing

I was put under anesthesia a couple years ago for a minor operation and the drug they did it with was versed. Let me tell you, I was hoping I wouldn't come out of it and was told afterwards they had a hard time keeping me alive due to my health and breathing problems. If only... that was heaven. I did remember a wonderful dream I had while under. I was so disapointed to wake up.

 

[Niirvana]

sure? many great philosophers had very good arguments for it. for instance:

Philosophers – Reincarnation Research

now with the quantum physics its also much less clear than before. i hope ure right. scares me to death

They are only beliefs and ideologies, but if it cannot be demonstrated it means that it does not exist. On that side you can rest assured that if you die nothing bad will happen to you! I'm only afraid of the pain when I die, that's why I want it to be as painless as possible

 

[Mr2005]

Chances are if I come back I'll have it worse than I did in this life but that's precisely why I want to end it because I wasted it and it's unforgivable. It's punishment for what I've done either in this life or the next, that's the choice

 

[TheQ22]

Oh don't!

I've just asked Schroedingers cat.

His considered opinion is "meooww"

 

[Secrets1]

Sometimes... definitely. And karmic debt. I feel like that's what this life is about!

When i had my 1st motorcycle crash (the others being just open wounds and broken bones) i was unconscious for 3 days , i had no dreams and couldn't even remember leaving work , i couldn't even speak properly as i could think the words but it just came out all slurred , anyway there was nothingness for 3 days and i only felt all the pain when i regained consciousness . if i had of died , if only it would just carry on , nothing
[/QUOTE I had a very similar accident, wish I died, unconsciousness = nothing

Im sorry been exactly there, wish I died too, but we didn't so we don't know. Everything else is just a theory or belief.

Explaining how the brain produces consciousness tells us nothing about the existence or non-existence of a soul after death.

 

[MariV]

When i had my 1st motorcycle crash (the others being just open wounds and broken bones) i was unconscious for 3 days , i had no dreams and couldn't even remember leaving work , i couldn't even speak properly as i could think the words but it just came out all slurred , anyway there was nothingness for 3 days and i only felt all the pain when i regained consciousness . if i had of died , if only it would just carry on , nothing

yes but that nothingness for 3 days is indeed and idea. consciousness is seamless, ever-present, primary so to speak. when u wake up from sleep u check the clock and see: 8 hours.but thats a thought. its rly hard to explain...i recommend reading schopenhauer "the world as will and representation", or the eastern philosophers. i cant rly explain what i mean

 

[Spitfire]

I am actually kind of hoping for it in a way.

I do not really know why? Maybe I should not do this, since I may get it because of hoping for such a thing.. if it might just be that it works something like that?

I guess maybe it comes from having recieved a fair amount of joy while I have been living in this life? It has not exactly been easy. A real love and hate thing for right from the begining of time when I can remember.

I did have a true joy happening throughout a lot of my life though. I am thankful for that, and I have been fortunate with what my lifes circumstances did to help provide this for me.

I have been glad to be here in life, and I guess I would do it again?

If we build on what has been on the 'current' life, it could be.. even maybe a little better on the next run, if it were granted to me, I suppose? I know it could also be that it is much much worse next time too!

I don't know? Maybe, be careful what I ask for applies here for with me on the topic of reincarnation.

 

[death137]

There is nothing like that, we are just chemical brain connections and nothing else, there is nothing after death luckily!

Since you believe there is nothing after death you also believe there was nothing before birth, right? If yes then since nothing has became something why can't also something (this life) become another something (reincarnation, heaven-hell, customize reality, etc)?

I'm not saying there will be something for sure but there is a possibility. Its best to be open minded.

 

[Meditation guide]

Explaining how the brain produces consciousness

But the thing is, the brain doesn't produce consciousness. Yes we may be "asleep" and not conscious at times but overall, even without a brain or a body, at some point we wake up fully alive and aware, not in this particular dimension but in another one. Consciousness doesn't need a brain. It just is.

We just happened to be trapped in this meat suit right now. We are literally just no more than a pound of ground beef, with a consciousness trapped inside it.

How did this happen? Something about being trapped in a pound of ground beef seems very appealing. Let go of that absurd idea and you stop reincarnating.

We are all a bunch of drug addicts. The drug for us is to wear a meat suit.

 

[JackieInTheBox]

The universe is infinite. We could be reincarnated into who knows where. And most people don't remember their past life. If they do, it's scraps which don't tell the full story. So if you're reincarnated you'd be a completely new being. Meaning it's not even really you. Memories is what makes you, you.

 

[BipolarGuy]

The universe is infinite. We could be reincarnated into who knows where. And most people don't remember their past life. If they do, it's scraps which don't tell the full story. So if you're reincarnated you'd be a completely new being. Meaning it's not even really you. Memories is what makes you, you.

Yes you're right when you say if you're reincarnated you'd be a new being.
It's like this one time when I was too young to drink but I had a drink anyway and the next morning I couldn't remember what I drinked because my memory wasn't feeling very well and so I didn't feel myself. On the same day that all of this happened my memory started to get some memories back and then all of a sudden I started to get myself back again but for that while I was somebody else. Therefore whatever it was that I drinked created an effect that gave birth to a new person that tragically only was alive for a short while before I killed them and was in my own body again and this is where the idea of astral projection and leaving your own body comes from.

 

[TheQ22]

The universe is infinite. We could be reincarnated into who knows where. And most people don't remember their past life. If they do, it's scraps which don't tell the full story. So if you're reincarnated you'd be a completely new being. Meaning it's not even really you. Memories is what makes you, you.

If you can't remember a previous life, then how do you know you had one?

You're basically saying "I choose to believe this, and therefore it's true, even though there is, by definition, no proof".

Which could also prove it's false.

 

[rt1989526]

I'm going to sign a living will to make sure if I'm on life support or locked in my body like these people in the video they just pull the plug. That is the definition of cruelty.

 

[MariV]

i rly hope you materialists are right. there is also this "the egg" theory. very scary

 

[TheQ22]

Why is it ok to put our pets to a final sleep when they suffer but not us? Why are we mere corpses, yet aware and trapped in a basically dead body. Imagine if you have been to an open casket funeral only the person is very much aware of what is going on even though they are a corpse? The sheer horror is mind boggling. No escape. Actually I feel like that now.

It's mad isn't it that we can't allow animals to suffer, but humans - yeah no problem.

Possibly because our illustrious leaders can assign a dollar value to us and what we can contribute to the economy and in taxes.

 

[JackieInTheBox]

If you can't remember a previous life, then how do you know you had one?

You're basically saying "I choose to believe this, and therefore it's true, even though there is, by definition, no proof".

Which could also prove it's false.

I actually don't want reincarnation to be real. I'd better have not a previous life. It's just a thought to make things less worse.

Yes you're right when you say if you're reincarnated you'd be a new being.
It's like this one time when I was too young to drink but I had a drink anyway and the next morning I couldn't remember what I drinked because my memory wasn't feeling very well and so I didn't feel myself. On the same day that all of this happened my memory started to get some memories back and then all of a sudden I started to get myself back again but for that while I was somebody else. Therefore whatever it was that I drinked created an effect that gave birth to a new person that tragically only was alive for a short while before I killed them and was in my own body again and this is where the idea of astral projection and leaving your own body comes from.

That killing part made me laugh. It's like it was an impostor or something. Then what would that make sleeping...? hmmm