Teenager Euthanized in Netherlands for Mental Illnesa

[dust-in-the-wind]

Euthanasia of teen rape victim that divided the Netherlands

Her parents and doctor are now facing legal battles after 14 psychiatrists and doctors wrote to the Dutch public prosecutor asking for an investigation into the euthanasia.

www.dailymail.com

 

[settling]

i know this is a pro choice forum and stuff but everytime this happens to a rape victim its so fucked up honestly
kill the rapists instead bro lol

 

[dust-in-the-wind]

i know this is a pro choice forum and stuff but everytime this happens to a rape victim its so fucked up honestly
kill the rapists instead bro lol

Even if they did kill the rapist that isn't going to make the trauma that caused her mental illness to go away.

 

[violetforever]

i know this is a pro choice forum and stuff but everytime this happens to a rape victim its so fucked up honestly
kill the rapists instead bro lol

yeah but even the rapists death would never take away the life altering trauma of what they did to the victim :( i think there was another girl who recently got euthanized for the same reason. even though its their choice and im glad they have it, i hate this outcome. i see the rapists as not only rapists but murderers for it.

 

[settling]

Even if they did kill the rapist that isn't going to make the trauma that caused her mental illness to go away.

thats true, its just the outcome is so tragic

 

[hughmun9]

Some of the comments under the article are so demeaning: "I think that at 17 a young person with mental health problems hasn't a clue what death actually means. It means "the end". No coming back. No waking up. No rehearsal."

How condescending. A 17 year old, that has by that point done advanced calculus in school doesn't understand what 'death actually means'. No man, she probably thought it was a temporary form of deep slumber she could awaken from after she felt better.

"I would have done everything I could to keep my daughter alive".

Of course you would. 99% of parents would. Why are you assuming these parents didn't? Can you imagine being a parent and choosing to euthanise your own child... These people are acting as if the parents gained something from their decision. Not only do they no longer have their child in their life but they have to deal with the scrutiny of the public and probably their friends too. Choosing to let your child die must be a decision similar in difficulty if not more difficult than CTB-ing yourself. The fact that they took it speaks volumes about the intensity and persistence of their daughter's suffering.

 

[never mind me]

I don't really know what to think about the case. On the one hand I think it is good that euthanasia exists in the Netherlands and that even minors who have uncurable illness can get it. But on the other hand I am not so sure, if it should be extended to minors in the case of mental illness alone. The problem about mental illness is, that prognosis is in general less precise than prognosis in physical illness. And especially with very young people the mental state can still change a lot. That includes severe mental illnesses that cause people to suffer intensely to become quite manageable within a few years in some cases. Given the fact that the development of the brain is still ongoing into early adulthood this shouldn't be surprising. Of course, the problem is that nobody can really know for sure, who will ultimately recover (at least partly) and who won't.

 

[dirkw83]

I don't really know what to think about the case. On the one hand I think it is good that euthanasia exists in the Netherlands and that even minors who have uncurable illness can get it. But on the other hand I am not so sure, if it should be extended to minors in the case of mental illness alone. The problem about mental illness is, that prognosis is in general less precise than prognosis in physical illness. And especially with very young people the mental state can still change a lot. That includes severe mental illnesses that cause people to suffer intensely to become quite manageable within a few years in some cases. Given the fact that the development of the brain is still ongoin into early adulthood this shouldn't be surprising. Of course, the problem is that nobody can really know for sure, who will ultimately recover (at least partly) and who won't.

I agree. It seems very possible that a 17 year old who doesn't have the mental means of dealing with a situation, has developed those means by age 23. Then the question is should you continue to let them suffer in that time. Idk it's very complicated.

 

[tooafraidtodiez]

I don't really know what to think about the case. On the one hand I think it is good that euthanasia exists in the Netherlands and that even minors who have uncurable illness can get it. But on the other hand I am not so sure, if it should be extended to minors in the case of mental illness alone. The problem about mental illness is, that prognosis is in general less precise than prognosis in physical illness. And especially with very young people the mental state can still change a lot. That includes severe mental illnesses that cause people to suffer intensely to become quite manageable within a few years in some cases. Given the fact that the development of the brain is still ongoing into early adulthood this shouldn't be surprising. Of course, the problem is that nobody can really know for sure, who will ultimately recover (at least partly) and who won't.

Mental illness is a silent killer. Some mental illness can trigger intense anxiety/stress that makes life completely unenjoyable. If they meet the criteria and can't be treated within a certain timeframe. I believe it's justified to grant euthanasia

 

[BirdWatcher]

Some of the comments under the article are so demeaning: "I think that at 17 a young person with mental health problems hasn't a clue what death actually means. It means "the end". No coming back. No waking up. No rehearsal."

That comment you quote there sounds suspiciously AI generated. LLMs love 'rule of three' sets and to string together short, punchy sentences. And AIs also like to use titles and pseudo-quotes like that "the end" there. Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I fear much of the internet is getting rapidly replaced by AI generated noise. Dead Internet Theory and all of that.

 

[hughmun9]

That comment you quote there sounds suspiciously AI generated. LLMs love 'rule of three' sets and to string together short, punchy sentences. And AIs also like to use titles and pseudo-quotes like that "the end" there. Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I fear much of the internet is getting rapidly replaced by AI generated noise. Dead Internet Theory and all of that.

Why would someone bother to use ai to comment on the article? Unless you're talking about the article owning website itself to make it seem like they have more traffic than they do?

 

[CatLvr]

That poor girl. And her parents. Like they haven't all been through enough already. People meddling in other people's private lives is ine of the human race's more disgusting compulsions. What is so hard about acknowledging that the poor girl's suffering was something most people can't grasp (people who are not suicidal truly have no idea how bad this feeling is. Otherwise they would have a lot more compassion for those of us who deal with it, instead of finding fault with our moral code, intestinal fortitude or mental weakness) and being grateful she no longer suffering in ways they do not understand the magnitude of.

I hope she has found the peace she sought.

 

[BirdWatcher]

Why would someone bother to use ai to comment on the article? Unless you're talking about the article owning website itself to make it seem like they have more traffic than they do?

I hope this doesn't go too off topic, but: The main use of bot accounts like that is to push opinions or products with comments of what looks like real people. To look real, gain a posting history, farm likes, etc those bots also have to post on "normal" topics to build up an appearance. The activity on that suicide article is probably just incidental to the bot's real purpose.

 

[hughmun9]

I hope this doesn't go too off topic, but: The main use of bot accounts like that is to push opinions or products with comments of what looks like real people. To look real, gain a posting history, farm likes, etc those bots also have to post on "normal" topics to build up an appearance. The activity on that suicide article is probably just incidental to the bot's real purpose.

Interesting. That does make sense and it is a bit scary to consider.

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

i know this is a pro choice forum and stuff but everytime this happens to a rape victim its so fucked up honestly
kill the rapists instead bro lol

as an introvert, I've been victim of non consensual intimate touching (or sexual harassment) by 2 men, by one multiple times in a public park. Until I had enough and I reacted.

Unfortunately it is very difficult to get rid of the fears. Every time you think you have healed, the fears keep coming back, with the feelings of guilt for not having been able to stop the sexual harassment.
And when you try to lower your self defenses to have a close physical contact, then you feel afraid and guilty, as if you had just gone through the same trauma and you will be punished again for having tried to silence your fears.

People are nice with words, but in reality no one wants to deal with a victim of abuse. It's a difficult relationship.
You can hardly focus, you have days when your mind goes blank but you have to force yourself to function.
Friends, colleagues, employers expect that you conform to their normality (you can't go around with a sign "victim of abuse"). And when you don't, you are the one being punished.

And.. not everything is just a mental trauma. There are also physical conditions that will remain with you for all your life, and that you don't want to see written in articles along with your name.

I'm in one of those days right now.

 

[Canto XIII]

I don't know, I must admit I can see why people would react with outrage at this. It always sounds like society using an excuse to throw defective people into the trash. I know this contradicts other impressions of mine, but I really can't find an ethical resolution here. Paradoxically I feel like calling it assisted suicide instead of euthanasia would seem less specious to me.

 

[brokennsad]

I don't know, I must admit I can see why people would react with outrage at this. It always sounds like society using an excuse to throw defective people into the trash. I know this contradicts other impressions of mine, but I really can't find an ethical resolution here. Paradoxically I feel like calling it assisted suicide instead of euthanasia would seem less specious to me.

Wish I could have traded places with her! Gladly

 

[itsgone2]

it seems odd when 17 year olds aren't considered old enough for this site. Quite tragic. Not in their shoes so won't judge.
Rape is on par with murder. Zero regard for human life. In both cases I'm fine with the death penalty.

 

[Canto XIII]

Wish I could have traded places with her! Gladly

Well, yeah, me too. But that was not my point (I'm not replying to start a fight with you though).

 

[brokennsad]

Wish I could have traded places with her! Gladly

Well, yeah, me too. But that was not my point (I'm not replying to start a fight with you though).

I gotcha.