Suicide prevention is a stigma

[Euthanza]

Title says it all. The only right and dignified way to prevent tragedy of suicide mess is by legalizing voluntary euthanasia and assisted suicide.

Prove me wrong ... or right?

 

[Smart No More]

I think you're right. I know there's some controversy around whether people with mental health issues can or should be offered the choice in the same eay as a terminally ill person and in honesty I see why there's trepidation where mental health is concerned because ultimately we can't define it (although psychiatrists like to claim otherwise). If we could then it would be quite easy to put it in the same category as chronic illness. The very fact we can't clearly indicates to me that psychiatry and pychiatric medications are far from an exact science but that's a whole other matter for another thread.

Getting back to the point, there is no quantifying mental health issues but it's clear that people suffering them often ctb and the fallout is just as devestating as that from brutally slow deaths that result from cancer or other terminal illnesses.

Long story short, death happens and its ugly whichever way you slice. Similarly, so does suicide which is also pretty ugly and tragic. With that in mind I can't help drawing a parallel here. It brings to mind the war on drugs that's gone on for decades without gaining traction. Only serving to encourage newer drugs to be synthesised and for the trade to be pushed into the hands of the very worst examples of humanity. People will use drugs just as certainly as deaths and suicide will happen.

Legalise them both and the darkest elements surrounding both will fade away. Open discussion will take place. Death will be more acceptable and less feared and when someone catches the bus it won't come as a painful and shocking surprise to loved one. They won't mourn someone that went out lonely, secretly, ashamed and sorrowful due to the inability to say their goodbyes and gain closure in doing so.

Being able to talk openly about it under such circumstances would probably save a good few lives as they could address their feelings and issues without fear and much like those that have their N they'd find it easier to stick around longer safe in the knowledge they have a reliable exit strategy. A rip chord so to speak.

 

[Euthanza]

I think you're right. I know there's some controversy around whether people with mental health issues can or should be offered the choice in the same eay as a terminally ill person and in honesty I see why there's trepidation where mental health is concerned because ultimately we can't define it (although psychiatrists like to claim otherwise). If we could then it would be quite easy to put it in the same category as chronic illness. The very fact we can't clearly indicates to me that psychiatry and pychiatric medications are far from an exact science but that's a whole other matter for another thread.

Getting back to the point, there is no quantifying mental health issues but it's clear that people suffering them often ctb and the fallout is just as devestating as that from brutally slow deaths that result from cancer or other terminal illnesses.

Long story short, death happens and its ugly whichever way you slice. Similarly, so does suicide which is also pretty ugly and tragic. With that in mind I can't help drawing a parallel here. It brings to mind the war on drugs that's gone on for decades without gaining traction. Only serving to encourage newer drugs to be synthesised and for the trade to be pushed into the hands of the very worst examples of humanity. People will use drugs just as certainly as deaths and suicide will happen.

Legalise them both and the darkest elements surrounding both will fade away. Open discussion will take place. Death will be more acceptable and less feared and when someone catches the bus it won't come as a painful and shocking surprise to loved one. They won't mourn someone that went out lonely, secretly, ashamed and sorrowful due to the inability to say their goodbyes and gain closure in doing so.

Being able to talk openly about it under such circumstances would probably save a good few lives as they could address their feelings and issues without fear and much like those that have their N they'd find it easier to stick around longer safe in the knowledge they have a reliable exit strategy. A rip chord so to speak.

Thanks for replying. I find it hard to de-synthesize my tangled mind, you make it clear and reasonable. Love that "rip chord" phrasing as I've been pondering and striving for LOVE - "Legalization Of Voluntary Euthanasia"

 

[eve2004]

There's a part off me that feels like "prevention" by means of locking people up, or pharmaceutical treatment is like giving someone a blood transfusion without stopping the bleeding. Stop the bleeding, then find out WHY it is bleeding, and fix THAT. No one in mental health is interested in doing that, so yes MAiD (euthanasia) should be legalized.

Someone said something along these lines in another post:
If you aren't going to help people live with dignity , then at least let them die with dignity.

 

[Euthanza]

There's a part off me that feels like "prevention" by means of locking people up, or pharmaceutical treatment is like giving someone a blood transfusion without stopping the bleeding. Stop the bleeding, then find out WHY it is bleeding, and fix THAT. No one in mental health is interested in doing that, so yes MAiD (euthanasia) should be legalized.

Someone said something along these lines in another post:
If you aren't going to help people live with dignity , then at least let them die with dignity.

Same, it has gotten so bad for me everytime I hear someone mention "prevention" it means "an auto rejection" of what my desire is. They only manage the symptoms, not the root causes which are often unresolvable. It's like pushing a glass of alcohol to someone who's sober. I know the delusions they offered can never be enough to make me stay or happy.

 

[Rounded Agony]

I think you're right. I know there's some controversy around whether people with mental health issues can or should be offered the choice in the same eay as a terminally ill person and in honesty I see why there's trepidation where mental health is concerned because ultimately we can't define it (although psychiatrists like to claim otherwise). If we could then it would be quite easy to put it in the same category as chronic illness. The very fact we can't clearly indicates to me that psychiatry and pychiatric medications are far from an exact science but that's a whole other matter for another thread.

Getting back to the point, there is no quantifying mental health issues but it's clear that people suffering them often ctb and the fallout is just as devestating as that from brutally slow deaths that result from cancer or other terminal illnesses.

Long story short, death happens and its ugly whichever way you slice. Similarly, so does suicide which is also pretty ugly and tragic. With that in mind I can't help drawing a parallel here. It brings to mind the war on drugs that's gone on for decades without gaining traction. Only serving to encourage newer drugs to be synthesised and for the trade to be pushed into the hands of the very worst examples of humanity. People will use drugs just as certainly as deaths and suicide will happen.

Legalise them both and the darkest elements surrounding both will fade away. Open discussion will take place. Death will be more acceptable and less feared and when someone catches the bus it won't come as a painful and shocking surprise to loved one. They won't mourn someone that went out lonely, secretly, ashamed and sorrowful due to the inability to say their goodbyes and gain closure in doing so.

Being able to talk openly about it under such circumstances would probably save a good few lives as they could address their feelings and issues without fear and much like those that have their N they'd find it easier to stick around longer safe in the knowledge they have a reliable exit strategy. A rip chord so to speak.

Very well said. The unfortunate holdover of the far-too-great influence of Christianity with its stupid "sanctity of life" nonsense...the brilliant David Hume wrote a piece which was apparently suppressed for years about how the very notion is ridiculous, as if it was some kind of affront to the Christian God to kill ourselves, it would literally not be possible. That's it in a nutshell but he eviscerates the argument far more thoroughly if anyone is keen to read it. I believe it's just titled On Suicide.

There's a part off me that feels like "prevention" by means of locking people up, or pharmaceutical treatment is like giving someone a blood transfusion without stopping the bleeding. Stop the bleeding, then find out WHY it is bleeding, and fix THAT. No one in mental health is interested in doing that, so yes MAiD (euthanasia) should be legalized.

Someone said something along these lines in another post:
If you aren't going to help people live with dignity , then at least let them die with dignity.

This. There's this mad fervour to stop people from performing the act of ending their own life, but does anyone give a shit about what those things are which lead people to that point? Isolation, abuse, poor/no housing or wages, alienation of the working class, broken health"care" systems, the world literally burning around us, etc. ad infinitum...

 

[Euthanza]

Very well said. The unfortunate holdover of the far-too-great influence of Christianity with its stupid "sanctity of life" nonsense...the brilliant David Hume wrote a piece which was apparently suppressed for years about how the very notion is ridiculous, as if it was some kind of affront to the Christian God to kill ourselves, it would literally not be possible. That's it in a nutshell but he eviscerates the argument far more thoroughly if anyone is keen to read it. I believe it's just titled On Suicide.


This. There's this mad fervour to stop people from performing the act of ending their own life, but does anyone give a shit about what those things are which lead people to that point? Isolation, abuse, poor/no housing or wages, alienation of the working class, broken health"care" systems, the world literally burning around us, etc. ad infinitum...

Thanks for the recommendation. David Hume's 'Of Suicide' essay is a good 20 paragraphs read (pdf title that I got is 'of'). He argued that even if one adopts a religious stance, suicide must be regarded as morally permissible. The natural laws, the motion and gravity are the laws of god that allow suicide to happen; "Thou shalt not kill" was ever meant against suicide just like capital punishment.

This makes me think, can god commit suicide? Did Jesus committed suicide? Technically yes, but fundamentally he's a parasuicide due to resurrection.

 

[FuneralCry]

Allowing people the option of assisted suicide would prevent so much suffering. Nobody would have to be traumatised by finding a dead body and nobody would have to resort to painful and risky methods. It would help those left behind come to terms with the persons decision if they were able to discuss it in advance.

Suicide really shouldn't be so stigmatised and any form of suicide prevention is just prolonging misery. Suicide should be accepted as a rational solution to end suffering rather than something that's always wrong, irrational and must be prevented. There could never be anything wrong with suicide as after all we will all die eventually so to me it makes sense to exit at a time of my own choosing rather than it being out of my control.

 

[uglylonely]

There's a part off me that feels like "prevention" by means of locking people up, or pharmaceutical treatment is like giving someone a blood transfusion without stopping the bleeding. Stop the bleeding, then find out WHY it is bleeding, and fix THAT. No one in mental health is interested in doing that, so yes MAiD (euthanasia) should be legalized.

Someone said something along these lines in another post:
If you aren't going to help people live with dignity , then at least let them die with dignity.

some peoples "bleeding" cant be fixed though. what then?

 

[eve2004]

some peoples "bleeding" cant be fixed though. what then?

The question of whether or not the bleeding can be fixed is not obvious to the mental health professional, but before the "transfusion", they should attempt to stop the bleeding before initiating the transfusion. Right now, psychiatrists don't do therapy, so they are just prescribing "transfusions". There is some discussion in the medical field about whether psychiatrists should be trained to be able to offer talk therapy as opposed to simply medicating people. There are SOME psychiatrists who are trained to do therapy. Very few.

This won't solve everyone's problems but it certainly helps when your doctor is the one doing therapy. The rules of doctor-confidentiality are different than a psychologist. Psychologists are not all clinically trained in hospitals, and often have a knee-jerk reaction in committing people. Psychiatrist have more experience working with suicidal patients, and that is essentially what they signed up for.

 

[Euthanza]

some peoples "bleeding" cant be fixed though. what then?

If the "mental bleeding" can't be fixed then one should go through some procedures or protocols, but I think these protocols should not require suffering to filter which one is eligible for dignity or not eligible like today's second to worse system of euthanasia service under medical approvals, rather than protocols to ensure your rights and decision are being respected so you can bring the best of your life's end of stage circumstances. The obvious thing also come with physical pain treatment and even for the healthy ones.

I have answered but I say again, the answer is L.O.V.E - Legalization Of Voluntary Euthanasia.

 

[FrozenMango]

You are right. Imo, there shouldn't be any questions as to why someone wants to ctb. It should be provided to anyone who wants it