Discussion Suicide out of metaphysical/philosophical/political or spiteful reasons

[mahakaliSS_MahaDurga]

I am putting this in Recovery because it is too serious for offtopic and a bit too philosophical for Suicide Discussion.

I am at a point where I can utilize my life and death for any of these reasons, at any second. That is a very liberating mindset to have, you realize that all the petty crap you like to stress about is nothing more than a joke.

For which one of these reasons would you be willing to utilize your life and death?

Clarification. I added spite, meaning giving an ultimate FU to your enemies, making sure your death damages them in some way. I have thought about doing this to Kelli, who became a proxy for my estranged sister. I would also do it to draw attention to shitty mental health services (I would send my suicide note to the media), and the shitty time we live in (Kali Yuga). It would be a political manifesto of sorts too.

I think I will stick to Twitter, because being here makes me want to die out of the dumbest reason of all - emotional one. Cannot have that now. Emotions come and go, I'll just let them flow through me, without attachment. I was a masochist for a very long time, but I am sick of pain. If I am going to live, I will live fully.

 

[Makko]

I clicked Spite but this needs two conditions to be meaningful: first, you must care enough about the "victims", and second, your death actually needs to do damage of any significance to them. So this is a tricky one.

I also chose Metaphysical because I'm super curious about the afterlife and can't wait to find out what's there.

 

[mahakaliSS_MahaDurga]

I clicked Spite but this needs two conditions to be meaningful: first, you must care enough about the "victims", and second, your death actually needs to do damage of any significance to them. So this is a tricky one.

I am at this point pretty much motivated by hate against the things that are a threat to the people and ideas I care about. If I could do at least some damage, that would be a win.

I also chose Metaphysical because I'm super curious about the afterlife and can't wait to find out what's there.

I wish for eternal nothingness or a return to Brahman ( in the Monistic sense, google Advaita Vedanta if you are interested).

 

[Good4Nothing]

I voted "political".
I will die before I'll live in the fascist dystopia the world is steamrolling towards.

I considered "spite", if a giant "fuck you!" to life, God, the universe, and everything counts.

 

[mahakaliSS_MahaDurga]

I considered "spite", if a giant "fuck you!" to life, God, the universe, and everything counts.

That's the spirit, lol.
Btw I can do more damage while I am alive so that is a motivator in itself. Getting my corrupt and incompetent boss to face the music has been a life saver to me.

 

[signifying nothing]

I feel like I'm now spending my life trying to undo the trauma-founded fake life I had to lead for ~30 years. Not sure how to classify that, probably spite.

 

[Amumu]

None of these reasons. My reason is mental and physical health.
I have existential problems but I don't care about philosophy, metaphysics, politics, spite...
I just want fucking health, maha. Friends and gf would be nice too.
You know the Maslow pyramid, right? I don't even have the first step, so why worry about the other steps.

 

[Symbiote]

I chose philosophical and spite.

Spite rolls in with meta and politics. The metaphysical, thinking of spirits, the afterlife, ethereal energy that we can't' see but only feel in the confines of our minds, the dreams of past lives seems to clouded and doesn't pertain to my life as much as it once did. The belief of a higher existence that we're all part of energy to be joined once again after death, but because of fate, our livelihoods in the present is determined by the energy beings that may be. Why give my willpower to energy beings that will determine my fate? Why let them control it when I should have the free will to do as I please for the world is my playground? All fine and dandy if you like a higher power controlling your fate until you take the rose colored glasses off and see all the suffering around. That realization made me think that there is no higher power dictating actions. We just do them because it felt right at the present but we refuse to be responsible for our actions and blame the energy instead. The meta does not have an influence on me like it did before when I was involved in Setian circles or the silly vampiric charnas trying to find solutions to my issues.

Suicide for political reasons I don't see myself doing because politics is an idea thought of by man and can change at any time. Remember when Republicans weren't bigots and supported the freedom of slaves while Democrats believed in slavery, but now they're the opposite? I don't get mad at people when they view themselves as fascists, I get fascinated instead. A skinhead is a friend to me as a Black Panther is a friend as well as long as they didn't personally hurt anyone to get there. We all cherry pick different tenets of politics to fit our mold of life, so not all fascists are violent, not all muslims are pedophiles. If the world finds itself heading in a direction that is unsavory for my life, I learn how to adapt and overcome. I may never follow in their tenets, I have choice not to follow, but I won't put myself in the spotlight to make a change because change will happen eventually without my involvement.

So that leaves philosophy and spite.

Philosophical reasons would be stronger in my case due to internal moral beliefs, thought processes, and 'cardinal' rules. There's not one single philosophy that I single myself with, but a mixture of different philosophies that works for me, keeps me grounded, and focused with astute determination. I read through Nietsche, Kant, Marcus Aurelius, my own mixed bag, and voila, my life in others' eyes is kinda fucked up, but I feel normal inside, and that's alright. Suicide for me is when I lose control of my faculties, when onset dementia kicks in and I no longer have the situational awareness to decide what is best or not. Suicide would be like if I break my own rules to please another. Suicide would make sense in the altruistic nature of my being that it is good, and the people in the present would understand and move on. Why stop? It's not the way of life right? Politics and Meta determine you must move on. Follow the herd.

Spite - When you have society telling you what to think, how to act, and trying to poison your personal well with their bullshit, wouldn't you feel angry? Wouldn't that light a spark in your heart to fight for what is right within you despite adversity? I would hope so. The world is my playground just as much the person next to me has their playground. I'll let you play in mine if you respect my boundaries as I respect yours, but if you intrude be prepared to meet with swift justice. I don't sugarcoat, I'm not here to please anyone, I won't make certain concessions unless deemed necessary for the benefit of our connection. Suicide out of spite for all the wasted time that therapists and society have spent trying to save one person, when they could be using that time to better the community through policy.

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

Whatever works, just get me out of here in a fast and reliable way.

 

[mahakaliSS_MahaDurga]

I feel like I'm now spending my life trying to undo the trauma-founded fake life I had to lead for ~30 years. Not sure how to classify that, probably spite.

I am trying to escape my soul crushing job of seven years so I definitely get where you're at. I am moving away from my parents tomorrow, so I will finally be able to breathe.

None of these reasons. My reason is mental and physical health.
I have existential problems but I don't care about philosophy, metaphysics, politics, spite...
I just want fucking health, maha. Friends and gf would be nice too.
You know the Maslow pyramid, right? I don't even have the first step, so why worry about the other steps.

I understand. But if you could give your life meaning through your death, what kind of meaning would you want to give it?

I chose philosophical and spite.

Spite rolls in with meta and politics. The metaphysical, thinking of spirits, the afterlife, ethereal energy that we can't' see but only feel in the confines of our minds, the dreams of past lives seems to clouded and doesn't pertain to my life as much as it once did. The belief of a higher existence that we're all part of energy to be joined once again after death, but because of fate, our livelihoods in the present is determined by the energy beings that may be. Why give my willpower to energy beings that will determine my fate? Why let them control it when I should have the free will to do as I please for the world is my playground? All fine and dandy if you like a higher power controlling your fate until you take the rose colored glasses off and see all the suffering around. That realization made me think that there is no higher power dictating actions. We just do them because it felt right at the present but we refuse to be responsible for our actions and blame the energy instead. The meta does not have an influence on me like it did before when I was involved in Setian circles or the silly vampiric charnas trying to find solutions to my issues.

Suicide for political reasons I don't see myself doing because politics is an idea thought of by man and can change at any time. Remember when Republicans weren't bigots and supported the freedom of slaves while Democrats believed in slavery, but now they're the opposite? I don't get mad at people when they view themselves as fascists, I get fascinated instead. A skinhead is a friend to me as a Black Panther is a friend as well as long as they didn't personally hurt anyone to get there. We all cherry pick different tenets of politics to fit our mold of life, so not all fascists are violent, not all muslims are pedophiles. If the world finds itself heading in a direction that is unsavory for my life, I learn how to adapt and overcome. I may never follow in their tenets, I have choice not to follow, but I won't put myself in the spotlight to make a change because change will happen eventually without my involvement.

So that leaves philosophy and spite.

Philosophical reasons would be stronger in my case due to internal moral beliefs, thought processes, and 'cardinal' rules. There's not one single philosophy that I single myself with, but a mixture of different philosophies that works for me, keeps me grounded, and focused with astute determination. I read through Nietsche, Kant, Marcus Aurelius, my own mixed bag, and voila, my life in others' eyes is kinda fucked up, but I feel normal inside, and that's alright. Suicide for me is when I lose control of my faculties, when onset dementia kicks in and I no longer have the situational awareness to decide what is best or not. Suicide would be like if I break my own rules to please another. Suicide would make sense in the altruistic nature of my being that it is good, and the people in the present would understand and move on. Why stop? It's not the way of life right? Politics and Meta determine you must move on. Follow the herd.

Spite - When you have society telling you what to think, how to act, and trying to poison your personal well with their bullshit, wouldn't you feel angry? Wouldn't that light a spark in your heart to fight for what is right within you despite adversity? I would hope so. The world is my playground just as much the person next to me has their playground. I'll let you play in mine if you respect my boundaries as I respect yours, but if you intrude be prepared to meet with swift justice. I don't sugarcoat, I'm not here to please anyone, I won't make certain concessions unless deemed necessary for the benefit of our connection. Suicide out of spite for all the wasted time that therapists and society have spent trying to save one person, when they could be using that time to better the community through policy.

I agree with most things you wrote and I do not have much to add at this moment. I am very happy to see you recovering and finding life worth the fight. I am going through something similar myself. Funny how staring death straight in the eyes changes your perspective on things.

 

[Jumping_realms]

Philosophical would be the only one possible for me.​

 

[lugerepair]

None of those reasons. Rather, it would be so I can have control over when and how I die.