Suicide isn’t tragic

[Kramer]

It would be if people lived hundreds or thousands of years while looking somewhat youthful. If death was a rare event, then I would think maybe suicide should be prevented. But death is common and it can happen at any age as a result of natural causes.

 

[Amumu]

No it isn't. We have this idea because life expectancy is about 80 years nowadays, but from a broader perspective, it isn't.

 

[Kramer]

No it isn't. We have this idea because life expectancy is about 80 years nowadays, but from a broader perspective, it isn't.

Especially when natural death was common in one's 40s.

 

[Fragile]

Maybe some aren't, but most deaths are tragic because that's how the human mind works, suicide is specially devastating to some families.

I envy the fact that you are jaded enough to make these statements with no nuance to them.

 

[foxdie]

Suicide is tragic. It is because people only live for a short time while living in a society obsessed with looks when friends and family should matter more. Death is a common event, therefor people have a natural desire to prevent it where possible to ease overall suffering. Death is so common and can cause pain to any number of people in many ways.

 

[Intotheflames]

Death is tragic only when a person dies when they don't want to. Suicide is not tragic itself, what's tragic is the story behind that drives one to do so.

 

[Amumu]

Especially when natural death was common in one's 40s.

Not to mention that infantile mortality rate was about 50% in the 18th century

 

[Deleted member 23885]

I think whether suicide is tragic or not, depends on the individual circumstances. I think that life is mostly suffering and that's what drives sensitive people towards suicide.

 

[Fragile]

Not to mention that infantile mortality rate was about 50% in the 18th century

Infant mortality rate is the reason why there's such a big misconception on life expectancy through human history. Basically, if you survived until 10 you would've easiy lived well into your 60's, many people lived past 80 but that was less common.

 

[Amumu]

Infant mortality rate is the reason why there's such a big misconception on life expectancy through human history. Basically, if you survived until 10 you would've easiy lived well into your 60's, many people lived past 80 but that was less common.

If you were male and lived until 20, you could reach 60, yes.
Women often died before 40 due to pregnancy.

 

[Captive of Mind]

It would be if people lived hundreds or thousands of years while looking somewhat youthful. If death was a rare event, then I would think maybe suicide should be prevented. But death is common and it can happen at any age as a result of natural causes.

Thank you for saying this, it needs to be pointed out.

People act like suicide is 100% a bad thing. In reality, all of the bad things are in life, and suicide would free me from all of them. Plus, some people just make everything they get into worse. It will be a net positive for humanity when I'm gone.

 

[newave3]

If a person were suffering from chronic pain, untreatable mental illness or even living conditions that were horrible, death by suicide or other causes would be a relief. The tragedy would be to continue living.

 

[Yasuke]

Thank you for saying this, it needs to be pointed out.

People act like suicide is 100% a bad thing. In reality, all of the bad things are in life, and suicide would free me from all of them. Plus, some people just make everything they get into worse. It will be a net positive for humanity when I'm gone.

Exactly suicide is a good thing when you're better off dead and humanity or society has all the tools in the world to make it as humane as possible yet they withold it. Its funny how mass murders could get the death penalty and receive the same treatment I desire but I'm expected to just suck it up.

Death is tragic only when a person dies when they don't want to. Suicide is not tragic itself, what's tragic is the story behind that drives one to do so.

Like most things they don't matter without the sentimental value

 

[Luna88]

I Think its Tragic because nobody should suffer like this. I hate Life for doing this. My mind is never resting and i tried it so hard. I just want to find Peace. I just want to Sleep Forever...

 

[ARW3N]

Suicide is tragic for the friends and family of the suicide or whoever learns about the death. The health profession is generally really peeved whenever suicides are wheeled into their hospital wards because they are involved in the preservation of life.

 

[WornOutLife]

I agree.
Suicide is death but in another way, however, the same result: you end up dead.
The difference is that in suicide, people choose when they want to stop suffering and ctb, while normal people just see that as a cowards act because we're supposed to live no matter what until we're 100.

 

[Sherri]

I agree.
Suicide is death but in another way, hoewver, the same result: you end up death.
The difference is that in suicide, people choose when they want to stop suffering and ctb, while normal people just see that as a cowards act because we're supposed to live no matter what until we're 100.

Yup, and then have a crap retirement wage when and if we get to that age, Dunno how it is in Argentina, but here most elderly receive so little for 40 years of work. How was your birthday by the way?

 

[WornOutLife]

Yup, and then have a crap retirement wage when and if we get to that age, Dunno how it is in Argentina, but here most elderly receive so little for 40 years of work. How was your birthday by the way?

Same happens here! The retirement wages suck! Elder people can't buy even their meds if they're alone in the world. My grandpa is 91 and thanks to my dad and aunt he can cover his expenses and have a decent life.

As for my b-day, it was awesome but had the worst hangover ever!!
Still, have I learnt something? Do I regret it? HELL NO! Tonight I'm gonna get drunk again! Need to get away from this reality lol

 

[262653]

Definitely not tragic for me. I find reassurance in knowing that someone doesn't have to experience whatever the unpleasant thing they had to deal with. I would be better off with all my relatives and friends dead since there would be nothing to hold me here anymore.

I find birth to be more tragic tbh.

 

[Captive of Mind]

Maybe some aren't, but most deaths are tragic because that's how the human mind works, suicide is specially devastating to some families.

I envy the fact that you are jaded enough to make these statements with no nuance to them.

You are right, there is a devastating element about suicide. Obviously it would be less tragic if my life wasn't in such a way that I've had the overwhelming urge to kill myself since I was a teenager. Sure death is a tragedy, but life is more tragic than death for the person who is not cut out to be here.

 

[sourpink]

imo, looking at anyone exercising their free will and choice in bodily autonomy as tragic is simply more self centered than anything else.
if I'd like to ctb, that's my call to make. other people making it somehow about them and turning tables to make me look selfish is the real tragedy here.
live and let die, I guess.

 

[Nymph]

I think suicide itself isn't tragic because it allows the person to escape its pain and suffering. What is tragic tho is the thing that the person wants to escape from. But I really wish people didn't find suicide so bad and negative. It's like...you never wanted to help me, you never offered help but now you try to prevent me from suicide? Fuck off

 

[greyhound]

The word "tragedy" appears to have been used to describe different phenomena at different times. It derives from Classical Greek τραγῳδία, contracted from trag(o)-aoidiā = "goat song".

 

[Janeツ]

In my opinion suicide is tragic. In the Cambridge dictionary the term 'tragic' is described as "very sad, often involving death and suffering". As already mentioned, death is in most cases a natural thing, but suicide is by no means natural – it is self-induced. While there is a clear reason for someone dying in a car crash, I's hard to tell the exact reasons for a beloved person to take their own life. Losing a close one that suffered without you knowing and eventually took their own life is, at least in my opinion, very tragic. But I agree for the suicidal person suicide is more of a relief than a tragedy.

 

[Nexuno]

In the Cambridge dictionary the term 'tragic' is described as "very sad, often involving death and suffering".

So life is tragic, not suicide...

 

[RainAndSadness]

Suicide is not tragic. It's the circumstances that often lead to suicide that are. Like social isolation, loneliness, severe poverty, systemic discriminiation, lack of health/mental care, crippling mental illness such depression or BPD, anxiety and stress, lack of meaning and interests in life, condotions and diseases that cause physical pain and disabilies - just to name a few.
Suicide - for most people - is actually the last empowering act in their life, taking matters into their own hands, talking back control.

 

[stygal]

I personally think suicide is not tragic - especially my own.

But even when it comes to other people I'm also a 100 percent pro-choice.

Who am I to try to convince anyone to stay on this shitty planet?
People who try to do this are always having ulterior motives (religion) or try to make themselves feel better (savior complex). They don't really give a fuck about who lives or dies.

All in all this planet is overpopulated af and I don't care about 99.99 % of them - I even wish they'd advertise suicide by euthanasia and give more people legal ways to do it.

 

[AutoTap]

Maybe some aren't, but most deaths are tragic because that's how the human mind works, suicide is specially devastating to some families.

I envy the fact that you are jaded enough to make these statements with no nuance to them.

Me too, I feel guilty that I will most likely be leaving my family behind.

 

[ohhgeeitsme]

It all just depends on the person and situation, and we all see things differently anyway. It's very subjective. I will say though, I don't always think suicide is a choice, as we tend to think of it. For example, if someone is trapped in a burning building and they jump out of a window to escape that pain. They didn't want to kill themselves, but the alternative was far worse. A lot of suicidal people are in a similar dilemma and I do think that's tragic.

 

[WornOutLife]

Does anybody know anything about @Kramer ? He was quite active! I didn't expect to see him leave so soon!