Suicide is still Illegal

[Zzzzz]

I'm going by the dictionary definition, which is the honest meaning of the word and not the double meaning bullshit we get told all the time. The definition of legal is something permitted, since suicide is not permitted, it is ILLEGAL by DEFINITION. Also, According to google, some states have attempted suicide listed as a crime still.So from what I've read and all the evidence available to me, I conclude suicide in the USA is De-criminalized, but still very much illegal. The term legal is incredibly dishonest for anyone to use for suicide. Also, it is written that suicide,in the USA has no punishment, but this is not true. if someone is prevented from finishing a suicide attempt, and ends up paralyzed or disabled or in a worse condition then they were before, that worse off condition IS like unto a punishment of sorts that was given to them. This worse off condition was not the result of the suicidal persons actions, but the one(s) who chose to resucitate them, since it can often be known beyond any reasonable doubt they would have surely died if others had not intervened. Yet there are no laws that protect the suicidal person from this inhumane treatment. And those who prevent or resucitate in the middle of an attempt are not held legally accountable in the least, but praised as heroes and good doers. If someone is in a situation where they are not asking anyone to save them, and are obviously sincere and determined in their desire to die,the person who prevents them is surely not a hero, but rather someone who has done something wrong, especially if the suicidal person ends up in a worse off state than they were before. There should be compensation given to them and accountability by those who resucitate in such circumstances.

 

[motel rooms]

That's a really good point...

 

[Elegy]

The only Legislation I answer to, is the Elegy Law. Which clearly states; Nobody but ME, has the authority to determine MY fate.

 

[setup]

It's an interesting point of view, but if society didn't act this way, people would be apathetic and will not value life as much. This could have society spiraling into chaos and destroying the earth

 

[Zzzzz]

That's a really good point...

Thank you

 

[Fakereality]

"Freedom" that's the word which so called modern day gangs who claimed to be countries prefer to used to death in their propagandas the very core of their ideologies and by definition it means individual freedom to make your own life choices and decisions, any person trying to prevent another individual from making his or her own life decision are doing so out of their own need to feel good about themselves and be labeled as "hero" and that's as scummy of a person as one could get.

 

[setup]

"Freedom" that's the word which so called modern day gangs who claimed to be countries prefer to used to death in their propagandas the very core of their ideologies and by definition it means individual freedom to make your own life choices and decisions, any person trying to prevent another individual from making his or her own life decision are doing so out of their own need to feel good about themselves and be labeled as "hero" and that's as scummy of a person as one could get.

I think it is scummier to set people up for their own gain.

 

[Zzzzz]

. This could have society spiraling into chaos and destroying the earth

You misunderstood. I did not say no one should ever be resuscitated or that we should be apathetic towards human life.

 

[motel rooms]

if society didn't act this way, people would be apathetic and will not value life as much.

Why?

 

[setup]

Why?

It's just my conclusion if society didn't value life as high. I'm a dictatorship, life my not be valued as high so they will cut corners and dump chemical waste everywhere because they simply don't care. Like that toxic foam in china

You misunderstood. I did not say no one should ever be resuscitated or that we should be apathetic towards human life.

I understand. I'm just saying it could be a slippery slope

 

[motel rooms]

It's just my conclusion if society didn't value life as high. I'm a dictatorship, life my not be valued as high so they will cut corners and dump chemical waste everywhere because they simply don't care. Like that toxic foam in china

Societies can value life just fine by providing social & medical assistance to those who need them & leaving people who choose to die alone...

 

[setup]

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Societies can value life just fine by providing social & medical assistance to those who need them & leaving people who choose to die alone...

I agree. I was just talking about a possible distopia. Not to mention I'm sure there are some people who ended up being happy they were saved looking back in the future.

My point being it just can't be black and white

 

[FuneralCry]

After all, it is our life and our decision and nobody else should have any right to interfere with it. Living is not an obligation as we did not ask to be born. 'Saving' somebody from an attempt is just prolonging suffering. In a life like this suicide is simply inevitable. Life is very unfair and there is unlimited potential for suffering. Yet we are expected to be slaves to the society. Suicide should not be so stigmatised, we deserve a right to die.

 

[Zzzzz]

We've all been lied to in this regard. It sounds like the so-called "legality" of suicide is simply a PR stunt to make themselves feel better. Like saying, "if life is too difficult, go ahead and kill yourself. After all, it's Legal." As if to imply no one is stopping anyone from ctb and we are all free to do it. Lies. Nothing but lies.

 

[Greenberg]

I'm going by the dictionary definition, which is the honest meaning of the word and not the double meaning bullshit we get told all the time. The definition of legal is something permitted, since suicide is not permitted, it is ILLEGAL by DEFINITION. Also, According to google, some states have attempted suicide listed as a crime still.So from what I've read and all the evidence available to me, I conclude suicide in the USA is De-criminalized, but still very much illegal. The term legal is incredibly dishonest for anyone to use for suicide. Also, it is written that suicide,in the USA has no punishment, but this is not true. if someone is prevented from finishing a suicide attempt, and ends up paralyzed or disabled or in a worse condition then they were before, that worse off condition IS like unto a punishment of sorts that was given to them. This worse off condition was not the result of the suicidal persons actions, but the one(s) who chose to resucitate them, since it can often be known beyond any reasonable doubt they would have surely died if others had not intervened. Yet there are no laws that protect the suicidal person from this inhumane treatment. And those who prevent or resucitate in the middle of an attempt are not held legally accountable in the least, but praised as heroes and good doers. If someone is in a situation where they are not asking anyone to save them, and are obviously sincere and determined in their desire to die,the person who prevents them is surely not a hero, but rather someone who has done something wrong, especially if the suicidal person ends up in a worse off state than they were before. There should be compensation given to them and accountability by those who resucitate in such circumstances.

You highlight a valid point!!

Unfortunately, our society has something called, "Good Samaritan Law." Unfortunately, this legal principle protects the rescuer who gives reasonable assistance to those who are, or whom they believe to be injured, ill, in peril, or otherwise incapacitated.

So if a person is unconscious, it is considered legal for a Good Samaritan to assist in a manner deemed reasonable. In the case of saving a person's life (who may be CTB'g) that results in unintentional and permanent harm, the "victim" in distress cannot successfully sue for wrongdoing.

In most jurisdictions, there also is a legal concept of "duty to rescue" that describes a situation in which a party can be held liable for failing to come to the rescue of another party who could face potential injury or death if not rescued.

Nonetheless, a Do-Not-Resuscitate (DNR) order may circumvent the above legal considerations. It is important to note that DNR orders pertain only to CPR.

 

[eternalmelancholy]

Unfortunately, our society has something called, "Good Samaritan Law." Unfortunately, this legal principle protects the rescuer who gives reasonable assistance to those who are, or whom they believe to be injured, ill, in peril, or otherwise incapacitated.

So if a person is unconscious, it is considered legal for a Good Samaritan to assist in a manner deemed reasonable. In the case of saving a person's life (who may be CTB'g) that results in unintentional and permanent harm, the "victim" in distress cannot successfully sue for wrongdoing.

Man these goodie doers should just mind their own business. I would be LIVID if someone rescued me mid attempt and I ended up disfigured or disabled permanently. This would make me want to die even more.

 

[demuic]

It's an interesting point of view, but if society didn't act this way, people would be apathetic and will not value life as much. This could have society spiraling into chaos and destroying the earth

People already are apathetic and don't value life. No one cares if someone is living in misery and torment as long as they're living. Human life being sacred is nothing but a lie told so the masses don't kill themselves in droves.

And the earth has already been damaged extremely by human actions.

 

[setup]

People already are apathetic and don't value life. No one cares if someone is living in misery and torment as long as they're living. Human life being sacred is nothing but a lie told so the masses don't kill themselves in droves.

And the earth has already been damaged extremely by human actions.

It's a matter of perspective. I'm sure life is valued more in first world countries than 3rd world. You just don't think about it

 

[eternalmelancholy]

People already are apathetic and don't value life. No one cares if someone is living in misery and torment as long as they're living. Human life being sacred is nothing but a lie told so the masses don't kill themselves in droves.

Saving all lives at any cost is really barbaric if you think about it. Just let those who want to die escape from their torment. I know I can say my life hasn't been worth living in a very long time. At some point you just have to be honest with yourself.

 

[Pluto]

Man these goodie doers should just mind their own business. I would be LIVID if someone rescued me mid attempt and I ended up disfigured or disabled permanently. This would make me want to die even more.

I'd bet that this has happened before. Sounds like a major case of caveat emptor. The onus is on the individual to do proper research and prevent possible intervention. An unplanned spur-of-the-moment attempt, like running into traffic or something, is asking for trouble.

 

[ghost_]

Man these goodie doers should just mind their own business. I would be LIVID if someone rescued me mid attempt and I ended up disfigured or disabled permanently. This would make me want to die even more.

I agree. it would cause me to be more determined to end my life I think. its my body, my life why can't I choose when to end it

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

Kaczynski made a distinction between "freedom" and "permissiveness". Since we have basically no real freedom, and are bound to what the system permits us to do, it's not a surprise that this sort of phenomenon exists. Much like if you had a tyrannical father that hasn't explicitly forbidden staying up late, wake him up during the night and see what happens.

As Nitschke has pointed out, assisting suicide (which isn't a crime) is SUPER illegal, despite suicide not being "legally illegal" (only(?) case where this is the case). Imagine someone getting ten years in prison for "assisting exercise" or "assisting bowling". Suicide is legal in the same way that being racist/sexist is legal.

 

[eternalmelancholy]

I'd bet that this has happened before. Sounds like a major case of caveat emptor. The onus is on the individual to do proper research and prevent possible intervention. An unplanned spur-of-the-moment attempt, like running into traffic or something, is asking for trouble.

I agree but sometimes bad luck and random chance comes into play as well. If someone stumbles onto a suicide mid attempt they should just walk away. This is the best thing you can do for the person. Let them die in peace.

I agree. it would cause me to be more determined to end my life I think. its my body, my life why can't I choose when to end it

The problem is when you become disabled as a result of being 'rescued'. Now ctb is much harder, maybe even impossible. That is just nightmare fuel. This is what happens when access to information and materials are restricted. People opt for dangerous or unreliable methods. If you do survive now you are left with a life altering injury/disfigurement.

 

[Zzzzz]

You highlight a valid point!!

Unfortunately, our society has something called, "Good Samaritan Law." Unfortunately, this legal principle protects the rescuer who gives reasonable assistance to those who are, or whom they believe to be injured, ill, in peril, or otherwise incapacitated.

So if a person is unconscious, it is considered legal for a Good Samaritan to assist in a manner deemed reasonable. In the case of saving a person's life (who may be CTB'g) that results in unintentional and permanent harm, the "victim" in distress cannot successfully sue for wrongdoing.

In most jurisdictions, there also is a legal concept of "duty to rescue" that describes a situation in which a party can be held liable for failing to come to the rescue of another party who could face potential injury or death if not rescued.

Nonetheless, a Do-Not-Resuscitate (DNR) order may circumvent the above legal considerations. It is important to note that DNR orders pertain only to CPR.

I agree with the good Samaritan law, but there needs to be a choice, an option for those who want out. The way the current system works is cruel and inhumane to suicidal people. Reasonable Allowances should be granted for those who are suffering and want to opt out. It's wrong that someone should be forced to live life when they have absolutely no desire to.

 

[Zzzzz]

Kaczynski made a distinction between "freedom" and "permissiveness". Since we have basically no real freedom, and are bound to what the system permits us to do, it's not a surprise that this sort of phenomenon exists. Much like if you had a tyrannical father that hasn't explicitly forbidden staying up late, wake him up during the night and see what happens.

As Nitschke has pointed out, assisting suicide (which isn't a crime) is SUPER illegal, despite suicide not being "legally illegal" (only(?) case where this is the case). Imagine someone getting ten years in prison for "assisting exercise" or "assisting bowling". Suicide is legal in the same way that being racist/sexist is legal.

Right. That's just dishonesty or misleading though-to say suicide is legal. A behavior can only be 1 of 2 things. Legal or illegal. Suicide is illegal because it's prohibited and not permitted. They've only removed criminal penalties for it. That doesn't make it legal. Dishonesty has become one of the core values of the modern day cesspool society.